Moopet posted this link:"
What's the harm in homeopathy?

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Moopet You really want to play that game?

Here is a few great links to get you started since YOU POSTED A LINK ASWELL.The History of modern day medicine (allopathic,conventional medicine)

It's stained with death from the day it was marketed.

Your link is Invalid because it's based on rhetoric from someones Blog-its obviously a person with an anti-homeopathy agenda.ANyone can blog,anyone with "0" knowledge regards Homeopathy..............................

What scientist goes by these blogs,Is this your HOLYGRAIL Moopet?

Is this where you get your information from................................thats sad!
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Death by Medicine
</SPAN>By Gary Null, Ph.D., PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD
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ABSTRACTTable 1: Estimated Annual Mortality and Economic Cost of Medical Intervention
Table 2: Estimated Annual Mortality and Economic Cost of Medical Intervention
Table 3: Estimated 10-Year Death Rates from Medical Intervention
Table 4: Estimated 10-Year Unnecessary Medical Events
INTRODUCTION
Is American Medicine Working?
Underreporting of Iatrogenic EventsMedical Ethics and Conflict of Interest in Scientific Medicine
THE FIRST IATROGENIC STUDY
ONLY A FRACTION OF MEDICAL ERRORS ARE REPORTED
PUBLIC SUGGESTIONS ON IATROGENESIS
DRUG IATROGENESIS
Medication Errors
Recent Adverse Drug Reactions
Medicating Our Feelings
Television Diagnosis
How Do We Know Drugs Are Safe?
Specific Drug Iatrogenesis: Antibiotics
The Problem with Antibiotics
Cesarean Section
NEVER ENOUGH STUDIES
ADVERSE DRUG REACTIONS
BEDSORES
MALNUTRITION IN NURSING HOMES
Nosocomial Infections
Outpatient Iatrogenesis
Unnecessary Surgeries
MEDICAL ERRORS: A GLOBAL ISSUE
HEALTH INSURANCE
WAREHOUSING OUR ELDERS
Overmedicating Seniors
WHAT REMAINS TO BE UNCOVERED
Appendix: OFFICE OF TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT (OTA)
General Facts
Hospitals
Health-Related Research and Development
Pharmaceutical and Medical-Device Industries
Health Care Technology Assessment
Examples of Lack of Proper Management of HealthCare
Treatments for Coronary Artery Disease
Computed Tomography (CT)
Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)
Laparoscopic Surgery
Infant Mortality
Screening for Breast Cancer
Summary
References
ABSTRACT A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good. The number of people having in-hospital, adverse drug reactions (ADR) to prescribed medicine is 2.2 million.1 Dr. Richard Besser, of the CDC, in 1995, said the number

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"Great ideas often recieve violent opposition from mediocre minds"...................Einstein

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you do not respond to straight questions, you claim a double standard of evidence and do not like getting told you're wrong.

There is no point in talking to you.

I will only respond to your posts again when you have the courtesy to respond to mine.

I do, however, hope other members of this site read these threads and see how dishonest the posts are.

Moopet you posted:"these threads and see how dishonest the posts are............................................... ........................"

Dishonest? How So? Sorry you think so............Who is the one presenting bloged information,that has nothing to do with facts.Sorry I have burts your bubble.
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I have posted many links for you to seek further information,homeopathy is a verry complex subject- most likely not a subject for the average shortsighted skeptic.Do You realize the years it takes of study to be a Homeopath? You confront the issue like you know it well,what is your background in homeopathy/holistic medicine/any medicine?
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Sadly this forum has NO onsite moderator,so skeptics like you can post nonesense without being banned.

Try posting your rhetoric- anti homeopathic dialogue in another forum like Homeopathy = Hpathy, Homeopathic Medicines Homeopathy Remedies, Treatments & More!

Your posts will come to a halt within a few days if not sooner.Moderators there do not allow skeptics (anti homeopaths) to post. This type of circular static posting is extremely disruptive to the homeopathic community.

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allopathy or homeopathy?
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• In 1994, an estimated 2,216,000 (1,721,000 to 2,711,000) hospitalized patients had serious adverse drug reactions (ADRs) and 106,000 (76,000 to 137,000) had fatal ADRs, making these reactions between the fourth and sixth leading cause of death.

• Fatal ADRs accounted for 0.32 percent (95 percent confidence interval (CI), 0.23 percent to 0.41 percent) of hospitalized patients.

JAMA April 15, 1998;279(15):1200-5
BMC Nephrol. December 22, 2003

• Medication-related problems (MRP) continue to occur at a high rate in ambulatory hemodialysis (HD) patients.
• Medication-dosing problems (33.5 percent), adverse drug reactions (20.7 percent), and an indication that was not currently being treated (13.5 percent) were the most common MRP.
• 5,373 medication orders were reviewed and a MRP was identified every 15.2 medication exposures.

Nurs Times. December 9-15, 2003;99(49):24-5.

• In 2002, 16,176 adverse drug reaction reports were received, of which 67 percent related to reactions categorized as 'serious.'

Pharm World Sci. December, 2003;25(6):264-8.

• Medication administration errors (MAEs) were observed in two departments of a hospital for 20 days.
• The medication administration error rate was 14.9 percent. Dose errors were the most frequent (41 percent) errors, followed by wrong time (26 percent) and wrong rate errors. Ten percent of errors were estimated as potentially life-threatening, 26 percent potentially significant and 64 percent potentially minor.

Serious and Fatal Drug Reactions in US Hospitals

• Drug-related morbidity and mortality have been estimated to cost more that $136 billion a year in United States. These estimates are higher than the total cost of cardiovascular care or diabetes care in the United States. A major component of these costs is adverse drug reactions (ADE).

Am J Med August 1, 2000;109(2):122-30

• About 0.05 percent of all hospital admissions were certainly or probably drug-related.

• Incidence figures based on death certificates only may seriously underestimate the true incidence of fatal adverse drug reactions.

Eur J Clin Pharmacol October, 2002;58(7):479-82

• In one study of 200 patients, ADRs may have contributed to the deaths of two (one percent) patients.

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Linda Johnston, MD, DHt - "The early 1800's was a time of great transition in medicine. Whereas the standard, allopathic form of treatment was dominant at the turn of that century, that was not to last. The two most popular alternatives to the orthodox practice were herbal medicine and Homeopathy. Mothers treating their children's problems easily and inexpensively caused the news of Homeopathy to spread like a brush fire. Many people successfully treated typhoid, cholera, measles, mumps, tuberculosis, smallpox and other diseases with their Homeopathic remedies and without doctors.

The rise of Homeopathy particularly coincided with a dramatic decline in the prestige of allopathic medicine and its methods. There was a general and pervasive disdain and mistrust of allopathic medicine.

As a consequence, extreme hatred and economic jealousy was aroused in the allopaths. These economic concerns were well documented."

Historically, homeopathy has proven many times to be more effective than allopathic medicine in the treatment and prevention of disease, with risk of harmful side effects.

In a U.S. cholera outbreak in 1849, allopathic medicine saw a 48-60% death rate, while homeopathic hospitals had a documented death rate of only 3%.

Roughly similar statistics still hold true for cholera today. Recent epidemiological studies show homeopathic remedies as equaling or surpassing standard vaccinations in preventing disease.

There are reports in which populations that were treated homeopathically after exposure had a 100% success rate-none of the treated caught the disease. During the epidemic of yellow fever in the southern States in 18.78, the allopaths treated 96,187 cases, of which 12,296 died; a death rate of 23.b.

At the same time the homoeopathic practitioners treated 3914 cases of the same disease, of which 261 died; a death rate of 6.6. In many of the southern States, by means of unjust medical legislation, the allopaths have obtained sole control, and they refuse to permit homeopaths to practice. This accounts for the great disparity in the numbers treated.

After 200 years, homeopathy is re-emerging as a major healing approach

Plagues and Pestilences: past and present, Homeopathy's approach to epidemic disease

Homeopathy can antidote or remove the toxic effects of vaccines

Is Cancer Curable In Homeopathy ?

Homeopathic Medicine for Children and Infants

Homeopathy for Women's Health

Veterinary Homeopathy

PREVENTION AND TREATMENT WITH HOMEOPATHY (VACCINE-FREE )
Homeopathy has been successfully used to prevent and cure smallpox
Homeopathy for Healing Diseases/Conditions

Homeopathy on the Internet - An In-depth Guide to the Best Sites and Articles

Homeopathy and the Flu how homeopathy can help with the flu.



Gulf War Syndrome (GWS) - how homeopathy can help

After 200 years, homeopathy is re-emerging as a major healing approach during this era of a degenerative disease epidemic and theresurgence of infectious

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No. We have homeopathy.

A competent homeopath will have an 80% success rate for everything across the board that walks into her clinic. From anxiety to arthritis to asthma to alpoecia.

You accept then, that pharmaceutical medicines, with all their toxic and dangerous side effects, not to mention their very great expense, are only marginally better than 'biochemical nothing' when it comes to the treatment of disease?

Given that 'biochemical nothing' is such a wide variable do RDBPCTs show anything at all?

Sim

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That is contested. It is not fact, and goes against the evidence of repeated trials. The majority of evidence supporting homeopathy is found in poorly designed biased trials. Or so the links here would suggest. I can make a statement saying that my sugar pills cure acne too.

Where did I say that?

Yes. Well, to qualify that, it depends. Some RDBPCTs demonstrate a substance's effects to a high degree. Some to a lower degree. This means that such a substance is, on average, very effective or slightly effective. If it demonstrates that the substance is not effective, then that substance is understood to be not effective.

1 = 1.
What's your point?

Why so much faith in RDBPCT's? Why insist on an experiment that fails to rigorously test the specific hypothesis? We could go on like this for ever...

To quote you Moopet:

Perhaps you have not fully understood my previous posts to this thread. You have yet to respond to many of my questions. I believe I have responded to all of yours.






Effective in relation to what? The widely variable effect of giving a person a 'biochemical nothing'? It's more like x = y. Can you figure that out? What is the value of x?


Biochemical nothing! Now that is Funny! You're not seriously suggesting that a 'biochemical nothing' is actually a 'something' are you? Well that does sound interesting! Can you tell us how that could be possible?

Regards
Sim

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Why so much faith in RDBPCT's?...

Isn't a scientific experiment supposed to be designed in such a manner as to rigorously test the specific hypothesis? Why insist on one that does not?

Anecdotal/statistical evidence is is a far better measure of homeopathy's effectiveness. Why refuse to accept it?

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The way pharmaceutical medicines are developed through RDBPCT's and prescribed through trial and error, often without understanding the full effects of the medicines used, is decidedly hit and miss...

Where is the science theory?

What are the Laws governing the science?

If there are no Laws how can we even call it a Science?

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Is a 'biochemical nothing' a 'something'? If so, how can this be possible?

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Sorry. I've just looked back through the thread and can't see much I haven't addressed from you except that "faith in RDBPCTs" question. If there's something I missed, bring it up again - unless it's way off topic
As to why I have "faith" in them, well, I'll address that in the next comment.

As to the "where did I say that bit" - and this flat forum isn't well suited to quoting nested comments so I'm not going to try - what I said I stand by. What you seem to think I said is something else, because they don't mean the same thing at all.

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No, I'm not suggesting that.