I will look with interest on the cure database.

Who knows, maybe it will support your claim that homeopathy cures.

ETA:

.... It does not start too well, but, let's not be too easily discouraged .




Gina, I started my study of homeopathy about 4 years ago. Who do you think convinced me that it doesn't work?

Hans

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Dear Nancy
THanks for the wonderfull links! Many I have already,there are a few new ones,I will open...................
Why dont you post them also at
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So if you combine, say, FACT 30 and FACT 32 you get what?
All these studies that prove homeopathy aren't RDBPCTs. We know that. What does this mean for FACT 30?

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(another pathological clueless quote)



What's 50M of water? Water?............................................ ...................................
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My Reply is:
Annals of the New York Academy of Sciences, June 1999
An extensive thermodynamic study has been carried out on aqueous solutions obtained through successive dilutions and succussions of 1% in weight of some solutes up to extremely diluted solutions, (less than 1x10-5 mol kg-1) obtained via several 1/100 successive dilution processes.

The interaction of acids or bases with the extremely diluted solutions has been studied calorimetrically at 25°C.

Measurements have been performed of the heats of mixing of acid or basic solutions, having different concentrations, with bidistilled water or with the extremely diluted solutions.

Despite the extreme dilution of the solutions, an exothermic heat of mixing in excess has been found, in about the 92% of the cases, with respect to the corresponding heat of mixing with the untreated solvent.

Here [it is shown] that successive dilutions and succussions may alter permanently the physical-chemical properties of the solvent water.

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Which topic is this from?

A rather clueless answer, if you will excuse me. Moopet asked, "what is 50M of water?", and you answer something about 3C of acids and bases. What has that to do with the question?

However, let's nevertheless look at what you write:

The article you refer to seems to be here:
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Unfortunately, I cannot access it, as access is not free.

However, we can see from your quote that these solutions are "less than 1x10-5 mol kg-1", which would correspond to 3C (that is 1X10-6). We also see that they could only detect anything in 92% of the cases. Since such a reaction is either there or not, we must conclude that the mentioned dilution is close to the noise-floor for the measurement method they use (otherwise they would see 100%).

So, bases and acids react to each other, even when diluted. What else is new?


No it is not shown. It is shown that basic chemistry works in dilution. I could have told you that.

Hans

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Sorry, I may have missed something, is this a new topic or is it in some way related to the OP?

This is a very good question and an astute observation and shows at least that you are considering the arguments if only to attempt to refute them. If I have understood the implication of your question correctly here is your answer.

There are several branches of homeopathic prescribing that are permissible in classical homeopathy. One of them we refer to as 'Specifics'. This means that certain remedies have shown in clinical practice to be effective in (or specific to) one particular complaint. For example, Arnica is the first remedy we think of for bruising after injury. The specific remedy won't be effective in every case but in a sufficient number of cases to justify trying it first with the intention of looking for a more individualized prescription if it does not produce the desired result.

When we are forced to prove our medicine's efficacy through clinical trials we are required to select one remedy and prove it can be effective in the treatment of one particular condition. The opportunity to individualize is removed so we have to use specifics. Individualization is so fundamental to the homeopathic prescription that we are crippled without it. This can't be overemphasized. In fact I believe I am right in saying that Gina would argue the use of Specifics is not true homeopathy at all for exactly this reason- there is little or no individualization.

Let's take an example. Say we are doing a trial for migraine headaches.

First we have to find look at our cured cases for people with migraine headaches. Then we look at what remedies were prescribed in these cases. We find in 100 cases we used 20 different remedies in total but 40% of them responded to the remedy Natrum Muriaticum. So we select that remedy for the trial.

Then we do the trial. Don't forget only Nat. Mur. is used for every patient in the trial. Let's say the results show that 35% of subjects reported a significant improvement in symptoms after taking the remedy. The trial concludes that (crippled) homeopathy has an effect above that of placebo. Great! I'm happy!!!

But this is less than half the story. What would happen if a skilled homeopath were then allowed to individualize the 65% of cases that reported no improvement and prescribe any remedy he or she felt was indicated? I would expect that around 80% of these remaining cases would report a significant improvement.

Facts 30 and 32 do appear to contradict each other. But in FACT 30 Gina is explaining that we are forced to restrict ourselves to the use of Specifics in double blind trials and in Fact 32 he emphasizes that these are not a true measure of homeopathy's effectiveness because they make no allowances for the individualization that is so crucial for a successful homeopathic prescription.