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The headline of that page claims that prescription drugs are the 4th leading cause of death. If you look up statistics, you will find that this is not true. It is not even on top ten.

It's so easy to slander others if you don't bother to check your facts.

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The FDA Wants to Stop You from
Protecting Yourself Against Drug Companies

This article is one of many-
Why the public has turned away from using conventional allopathic prescriptions..........................its corrupt,look who is watching the henhouse!
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Hans posted:"It's so easy to slander others if you don't bother to check your facts."........................................... .................................................. ....


Here are the facts:


The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936. It is evident that the American medical system is the leading cause of death and injury in the United States.



"An analysis by Wald & Shojan [2001] found that only 1.5% of all adverse events result in an incident report, and only 6% of adverse drug events are identified properly....The Psychiatric Times noted that the AMA is strongly opposed to mandatory reporting of medical errors...Dr Jay Cohen, who has extensively researched adverse drug reactions (ADR), commented that because only 5% of ADRs are being reported, there are in reality, 5 million medications reactions each year."


In 2001, there were 7.5 million unnecessary surgical procedures, resulting in 37,136 deaths at a cost of $122 billion (using 174 US dollars)



The OTA concluded: “There are no mechanisms in place to limit dissemination of technologies regardless of their clinical value.” Shortly after the release of this report, the OTA was disbanded.



In 1983, 809,000 cesarean sections (21% of live births) were performed in the US, making it the nation's most common obstetric-gynecologic (OB/GYN) surgical procedure. The second most common OB/GYN operation was hysterectomy (673,000), followed by diagnostic dilation and curettage of the uterus (632,000). In 1983, OB/GYN procedures represented 23% of all surgery completed in the US.
In 2001, cesarean section is still the most common OB/GYN surgical procedure. Approximately 4 million births occur annually, with 24% (960,000) delivered by cesarean section. In the Netherlands, only 8% of births are delivered by cesarean section. This suggests 640,000 unnecessary cesarean sections—entailing three to four times higher mortality and 20 times greater morbidity than vaginal delivery—are performed annually in the US.
The US cesarean rate rose from just 4.5% in 1965 to 24.1% in 1986. Sakala contends that an “uncontrolled pandemic of medically unnecessary cesarean births is occurring.”(106) VanHam reported a cesarean section postpartum hemorrhage rate of 7%, a hematoma formation rate of 3.5%, a urinary tract infection rate of 3%, and a combined postoperative morbidity rate of 35.7% in a high-risk population undergoing cesarean section.



Results of the “Million Women Study” on HRT and breast cancer in the UK were published in medical journal The Lancet in August 2003. According to lead author Prof. Valerie Beral, director of the Cancer Research UK Epidemiology Unit: "We estimate that over the past decade, use of HRT by UK women aged 50-64 has resulted in an extra 20,000 breast cancers, estrogen-progestagen (combination) therapy accounting for 15,000 of these.” We were unable to find statistics on breast cancer, stroke, uterine cancer, or heart disease caused by HRT used by American women. Because the US population is roughly six times that of the UK, it is possible that 120,000 cases of breast cancer have been caused by HRT in the past decade. Death by Medicine----Carolyn Dean, MD, ND, Martin Feldman, MD, Gary Null, PhD, Debora Rasio, MD (2003/4)
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Death by Medicine
By Gary Null, PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD
read the 6 page article.......................


By Gary Null, Ph.D., PhD; Carolyn Dean MD, ND; Martin Feldman, MD; Debora Rasio, MD; and Dorothy Smith, PhD [back] Extracts
ABSTRACTTable 1: Estimated Annual Mortality and Economic Cost of Medical Intervention
Table 2: Estimated Annual Mortality and Economic Cost of Medical Intervention
Table 3: Estimated 10-Year Death Rates from Medical Intervention
Table 4: Estimated 10-Year Unnecessary Medical Events
INTRODUCTION
Is American Medicine Working?
Underreporting of Iatrogenic EventsMedical Ethics and Conflict of Interest in Scientific Medicine
THE FIRST IATROGENIC STUDY
ONLY A FRACTION OF MEDICAL ERRORS ARE REPORTED
PUBLIC SUGGESTIONS ON IATROGENESIS
DRUG IATROGENESIS
Medication Errors
Recent Adverse Drug Reactions
Medicating Our Feelings
Television Diagnosis
How Do We Know Drugs Are Safe?
Specific Drug Iatrogenesis: Antibiotics
The Problem with Antibiotics
Cesarean Section
NEVER ENOUGH STUDIES
ADVERSE DRUG REACTIONS
BEDSORES
MALNUTRITION IN NURSING HOMES
Nosocomial Infections
Outpatient Iatrogenesis
Unnecessary Surgeries
MEDICAL ERRORS: A GLOBAL ISSUE
HEALTH INSURANCE
WAREHOUSING OUR ELDERS
Overmedicating Seniors
WHAT REMAINS TO BE UNCOVERED
Appendix: OFFICE OF TECHNOLOGY ASSESSMENT (OTA)
General Facts
Hospitals
Health-Related Research and Development
Pharmaceutical and Medical-Device Industries
Health Care Technology Assessment
Examples of Lack of Proper Management of HealthCare
Treatments for Coronary Artery Disease
Computed Tomography (CT)
Magnetic Resonance Imaging (MRI)
Laparoscopic Surgery
Infant Mortality
Screening for Breast Cancer
Summary
References
ABSTRACT A definitive review and close reading of medical peer-review journals, and government health statistics shows that American medicine frequently causes more harm than good.............................................. ...................
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Official statistics show a different picture, not only in the US, but in comparable countries.

N C H S - FASTATS - Leading Causes of Death
10 Leading Causes of Death, United States 1999
Death: Leading Causes of Death in Various Countries

We can, of course, always discuss the validity of any statistic material, but you need to realize that the invstigation that lead to this statement:

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The total number of iatrogenic deaths shown in the following table is 783,936.
- is not the result of an investigation of 783,936 actual cases, but an extrapolated number, calculated from an investigation of a far lower number of cases.

The determination of whether a death is iatrogenic can nearly always be discussed. For instance, when a terminal cancer patient dies with heavy palliative treatment as the primary cause, you could call it iatrogenic, but ... witholding treatment would not have saved the patient's life.

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IATROGENIC adverse effects and deaths!
IATROGENIC= symptoms caused directly by the faulty use of allopathic conventional modern medicine!

The CDC(website link) has NO list of Iatrogenic side effects/deaths.


Study confirms how dangerous prescription drugs are:
Drug side effects make 2 million sick
Properly prescribed medicine kills 106,OOO each year
Drugs that cause worst reactions - Heart medications. blood thinners, and chemotherapeutic agents for cancer. Most common cause of death- liver or kidney failure, heart rhythm problems, bone marrow destruction.
More than 2 million Americans become seriously ill every year because of toxic reactions to correctly prescribed medicines taken properly, and 106.000 die from those reactions, a new study concludes. That surprisingly high number makes drug side effects at least the sixth, and perhaps even the fourth, most common cause of death in this country........................................... ...............
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Just thought you might Want to know more about what the CDC does.............................................. ..............You posted this link N C H S - FASTATS - Leading Causes of Death

CDC Genocidal Measles Vaccine Experiments on Minority Children Turn Deadly
In an experiment to find out of they could give high-potency Edmonston Zagreb (EZ) measles vaccine to babies as young as four months old [completing disregarding developmental neurology and lack of myelinization in the nervous system of babies] in order to overwhelm their natural maternal antibodies and replace them with vaccine-induced antibodies, medical "researchers" at the *CDC and Johns Hopkins University injected thousands of babies in the Third World with the experimental vaccine that reportedly caused chronic immune suppression and the deaths of an unknown number of babies.

Also, in the United States, with the help of Kaiser Permanente, more than 1500 six-month old black and Hispanic babies in inner city Los Angeles were "enrolled" in the experiment starting in June 1990. [ During the administration of president and ex-CIA director George Bush.] The study was halted in October 1991, after more than one year of genocidal activity, after repeated reports from vaccine trial sites in Africa that girl babies were dying in higher than expected numbers six months to three years after injection. [ A less-than-admirable population control effort.]
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Gina, I really don't expect to change your mind. You are too far gone for that. Just a couple of closing remarks:

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Drugs that cause worst reactions - Heart medications. blood thinners, and chemotherapeutic agents for cancer. Most common cause of death- liver or kidney failure, heart rhythm problems, bone marrow destruction.
The above is good example of how you can make medicine look bad, if that's your intention:

Take some drugs that are used for very serious indications, ascribe worst-case interpretations to them, and conviniently forget that the drugs are the alternative to dying from the disease they are prescribed for.

Now, I know you believe you can cure heart-disease and cancer efficiently and safely with homeopathy. Unfortunately, real-life evidence doesn't back you up. If it did, I would be right there beside you fighting for it.

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personally i think homeopathy is more scientific. when looking at an illness the mind and/or body produces all aspects of the symptoms are taken into account rather than looking at the symptoms and treating the symptoms seperatley ( or suppressing the symptoms). homeopathy has a strong foundation of principles which can always be relied upon. allopathy does not. the germ theory is being rapidly disproved, and allopathy even uses homeopathic principles on occasion without knowing it. for example ritalin is given for hyperactivity. allopathy recognises primary and secondary body reaction when it suits them e.g. don't drink alcohol when you are cold as it will warm you up and make you colder in the long run. however,this principle of primary and secondary reaction is fundamental in homeopathy and is an essential part of homeopathy. homeopathy is energy medicine, and this causes a problem in the allopathic world. it is a shame we do not have the instruments to measure this energy as yet.
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One in Nine Emergency Room Visits Caused by Pharmaceuticals

6/24/2008 - A Vancouver, Canada study has documented that 12% of emergency room (ER) visits were the direct result of problems with a pharmaceutical drug. The length of stay for those admitted to the...

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If one looks with the actual intent of learning something,then that one will be open to homeopathy,Casedatabase cure database
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over the past 200+ yrs have proven all in question already. Homeopathy speaks for itself,it works,I mean it cures. Allopathy can only suppress/palliate-cause severe adverse reactions- but NEVER CURE ANYTHING! There is a grand difference between cure and palliation..................................
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