To clarify: the term 'allopathy' refers specifically to 'pharmaceutical medicine'.

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*Sigh*. Similibus, the evidence you have supplied for homeopathy IS rubbish. You have supplied a couple of percentages, all from a century ago. As support for the percentage claim, you supplied a couple of survival figures (which calculated to a different, if similar, percentage for homeopathic hospitals). You call that statistical evidence. I call it rubbish.

You now demand that I supply evidence for a medicine of your choice. Actually, you will realize that I can, of course, make whatever choice I will to support my claim. However, to humor you, I have looked up DPT vaccine. (You could easily have done the same if you were really interested.)

Science Links Japan | Research on the improvement in DPT vaccine. Research from the pharmaceutical side. (3). Local reactions of DPT vaccine. (Ministry of Health and Welfare S).
Children's Vaccines: Research on the Risks for Children and Possible Neurological Consequences
Third Annual Conference on Vaccine Research Abstracts
http://www.who.int/vaccine_research/...n/GVRF2002.pdf
Diphtheria-Tetanus-Pertussis Vaccine - DPT Vaccine Summary Report | CureHunter
All the Virology on the WWW - Vaccines
Pertussis vaccine research in the Rijks Instituut ...[Arch Roum Pathol Exp Microbiol. 1968] - PubMed Result
DPT Vaccines - Studies advance knowledge in DPT vaccines research


Have fun!

Hans

PS: Lest you get carried away, remember that the topic of this discussion is the scientific levels of conventional meds versus homeopathy. What you may think about the research carries out is a different discussion.

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No. The therm allopathy was mainly introduced by Hahnemann and refers to a method of medicine that attempts to cure by introducing symptoms that are different from (or unrelated to) the symptoms of the disease. Other terms were 'antipathy' which seeks to introduce symptoms that are the opposite of those of the disease, and, of course homeopathy, which seeks to work by introducing symptoms that are similar to those of the disease.

Note that all these systems concentrate on symptoms. Both the symptoms of the disease, and those caused by the medicine. However, modern, conventional medicine, or pharmaceutical medicne, does not attempt to work on symptoms, or by causing symptoms. Instead, it seeks to work by addressing, in whatever manner practical, the cause of the disease, of if that is impossible, to palliate by addressing the cause of the discomfort.

Therefore, the term 'allopathy' was maybe appropriate for the mainstream medicine of Hahnemann's era, but it is now an archaic and quite frankly derogative term.

Hans

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I agree with your statement completely - it reflects badly on homeopaths that we have tended to use the word 'allopathy' as a derogatory term. The modern homeopathic community tends to use this term to refer to pharmaceutical medicine in general, although I also agree that this is now archaic terminology, with negative connotations for pharmaceutical medicine, and is a term best dropped by the homeopathic profession.

However, I still think it is correct to say, that for the purposes of this discussion, the use of the term allopathy in the OP and thread title, was intended to refer specifically to 'pharmaceutical medicine'.

Kind regards
Sim

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Ahh, yes, I also took it as such. Otherwise, I might simply have answered: "I think they are equally unscientific" .

Hans

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Ok - I'm bored of this now. Maybe it is because I use a mac - but I couldn't find a shred of evidence in support of the DPT vaccine (that I didn't have to pay for) in any of the links you provided. The evidence you should be providing for comparison is evidence in support of the introduction of the DPT vaccine, and not research that paharmacuetical companies have conducted since concerns have been raised about the vaccines safety! However, I did find some evidence in one of your links in support of those concerns!

I asked for evidence in support of the introdiction of the DPT vaccine because of it's suitability for comparison. Mass immunisation with this vaccine was a practice sanctioned by the scientific community for many years without any RDBPCTs ever having been conducted. I am curious to know what evidence was used to support it's widespread use, and how this compares with the evidence in support of homeopathy.

Have you got anything useful or relevant Mr Hans?

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Quite frankly, I think you are a bit slow here, Similibus. I have provided you with a few selected links out of 35,900 hits from a Google search for 'DPT vaccine research'

Are you still trying to claim that conventional medicine is unscientific?

You are interested in the requirements for approval of a new drug (including vaccines)?

That requires a rather complex answer, but you could start with the "356" form:

http://www.fda.gov/opacom/morechoice...rms/356Hes.pdf

It contains references to a lot of standards and regulations that you need to look up, if you want to get an idea of what you would need to supply to get a new drug approved.

You may not want to do this, but I suggest another approach then: Take the 356 form and the homeopathic remedy of your choice and see how many of the items in the form that you can fill out, providing proper references.

The approval procedure for DPT vaccine? That was introduced some 40 years ago, so I don't expect we can find anything online. It doesn't matter. It wouldn't even mater if it wasn't properly approved, the point is that strict scientific requirements have been implemented as of today and are enforced.

Hans

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Oh, about access to some of the sites: I may have an access you don't have (working in the pharma industry and all that ). Sorry about that.

Hans

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