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Default Scientific research of homeopathics by dR. Kumar

Identification of Homeopathic Medicines by Measuring Physiological Variability in Human Body Temp


“which gives information on Homeopathic Research, something new in the history of Homeopathy, provokes thought in an enthusiastic mind. This research work gives a new thought on selection of Homeopathic medicine to a patient and helpful in the identification of Homeopathic medicine that has given to a person without label.which can give birth to modern Homeopathic Materia Medica and Repertory
http://www.homeopathynotaplacebothepathy.blogspot.com
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Very interesting, I had a look at your link. I must admit that I'm a bit confused, as none of the graphs at the top of the page mentioned temperature.

Instead they measured 'Frequency (Hz)' on a scale from 0 to 0.5. As you will be aware, 0.5 Hz would be one 'something' every half a second. I tried looking at the rest of the page but that didn't provide me with any more understanding.

I would be grateful if you could post some additional explanation.
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I asked Dr. Kumar about this, on another forum. I'm afraid he couldn't explain it, either. Seems he has this data-logger software, which can make these nice graphs, which he thought looked more or less alike, so he feels he has made a great experiment. He couldn't explain how the graphs were derived from his data, and he couldn't, or wouldn't, explain which exactly were the patterns he claimed to see.

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Default AR spectrum from original temparature data

Mr. Hans spectrum algorithmn converts original data into frequency agaist power, which intern shows the how frequently the perticular variable peak occurs. So you will not found temparature readings here in these graphs.

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I asked Dr. Kumar about this, on another forum. I'm afraid he couldn't explain it, either. Seems he has this data-logger software, which can make these nice graphs, which he thought looked more or less alike, so he feels he has made a great experiment. He couldn't explain how the graphs were derived from his data, and he couldn't, or wouldn't, explain which exactly were the patterns he claimed to see.

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Hans, I did not respond to your previous post in reply to mine because I felt and found that you were not sincere. You accused me of not knowing my statistics etc actually I am quite well versed in them. I simplified a lot and I used frequentism at that time to make it simple. However I found that despite all your credentials you presented you were disingenious in your post. Nothing that you had said had actually voided or answered what I had said. You said a lot and backed it up with all kinds of credentials and yet nothing was said.

This simple example is a case in point. Spectrum of a temperature / time data set is the amplitude / frequency graph and even a high school student studying physics would know that and yet you chose not to answer directly but instead you poured scorn on the author/researcher without actually clarifying the matter but only serve to confound and confuse the reader. Since you are one great and highly knowledgeable instrumentation engineer you would not spend a few minutes clarifying the matter.

So Hans, what gives ?

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Identification of Homeopathic Medicines by Measuring Physiological Variability in Human Body Temp


“which gives information on Homeopathic Research, something new in the history of Homeopathy, provokes thought in an enthusiastic mind. This research work gives a new thought on selection of Homeopathic medicine to a patient and helpful in the identification of Homeopathic medicine that has given to a person without label.which can give birth to modern Homeopathic Materia Medica and Repertory
http://www.homeopathynotaplacebothepathy.blogspot.com


Gina, I think the chap's data have problems. His sampling at 2 seconds per sample is too slow. This gives rise to aliasing problem i.e. frequencies are added to the original data due to sampling.

In the link above, I don't know how to contact him.

He may have found something but from the subjects data he seem to get a spike between 0.3 and 0.4 Hz...that's close to the aliasing frequency. Without knowing it he may have actually introduced that spike in the data processing.

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Identification of Homeopathic Medicines by Measuring Physiological Variability in Human Body Temp


“which gives information on Homeopathic Research, something new in the history of Homeopathy, provokes thought in an enthusiastic mind. This research work gives a new thought on selection of Homeopathic medicine to a patient and helpful in the identification of Homeopathic medicine that has given to a person without label.which can give birth to modern Homeopathic Materia Medica and Repertory
http://www.homeopathynotaplacebothepathy.blogspot.com

I think his effort is commendable. He's looking for a silver bullet that can make the use of homoeopathic remedy easier. I believe strongly that the answer lies in the acupuncture meridian of the human body. How the various remedies affect the various meridians should be studied and from there perhaps a viable diagnostic and treatment protocol could be derived.....I am too poor to carry out such research 8-)....


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Mr. Hans spectrum algorithmn converts original data into frequency agaist power, which intern shows the how frequently the perticular variable peak occurs. So you will not found temparature readings here in these graphs.
That might be, but how does this compute to the 0.1-1Hz range? I have read the paper, and he does not claim to have discuvered any fast fluctuations in temperature. Quite the contrary, his initial readings were done with a conventional thermometer, and he still calis that this can be used to chart the effect he claims to see.

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You found difficult days in hands of DUCK QUACK in HPATHY.

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Sorry to be so disrespecful, but my only difficulties witn the Duck was to cut through the quack.

My doubts are always genuine.

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Hans, I did not respond to your previous post in reply to mine because I felt and found that you were not sincere.
That is your choice.

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This simple example is a case in point. Spectrum of a temperature / time data set is the amplitude / frequency graph and even a high school student studying physics would know that and yet you chose not to answer directly but instead you poured scorn on the author/researcher without actually clarifying the matter but only serve to confound and confuse the reader. Since you are one great and highly knowledgeable instrumentation engineer you would not spend a few minutes clarifying the matter.

So Hans, what gives ?

---Chiong
The spectrum of time/temperature would be a frequency/amplitude graph, yes. I would, however, seriously doubt that it would be in the shown range. Finally, the graphs shown are NOT frequency/amplitude graphs. They are frequency/frequency graphs.

So what gives? What gives is that I cannot understand how the shown graphs relate to day-long body temperature variance, so I ask the author of the article to explain. Fair enough, don't you think?

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