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Old 16th February 2006, 02:46 PM
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Thumbs up One Million Dollar Prize Money to prove homeopathy does not work

Dr. MAS organization is offering One Million Dollar prize money to prove that homeopathy does not work or anything which you want to prove

Detail:

Number No. 1: I have no objection on JREF prize. But we are now in a position to award you prizes rather to take prizes. If you are interested to win the pirze then we also offer you the same amount.

Number No. 2: You also have chance to prove homeopaths wrong on the same terms and conditions. You can also get rich.

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a. First write down the claim which you want to prove? To make an easy task and accessible for everyone, we are not offering anything to prove. Just tell us what you want to prove and submit. WHCC prize for One Million "Dollar" (Amount Increased) is applicable for everything which you want to prove.

b. Submit your claim and proving along with your complete CV in written at our office located at Kharian Pakistan.
Number No. 5: We have settled the problem of homeopathy for ever.
There is no issue.

a. Homeopathic potencies and medicines have material.

b. The physiological action of the homeopathic medicines are same as it is admissible in allopathy.

The problem is solved. No issue left.

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That's nice. But, if you gotta do it, you've gotta do it right.

To make a serious offer of a prize, you have to provide the following:

1) Proof that the prize money exist.

2) Exact requirements for application.

3) Exact description for how it will be judged whether the prize is won or not.

If you are in doubt as to how to do these things, have a look at the James Randi Challenge.

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CONCLUSION

..However, my real goal and intentions were to satisfy myself and other's real to tune homeopathic science with modern science theory. Practical side about homeopathic working is beyond my doubt as supported by referances along with my practical observations & experiances.

Now, science of both energetic side--by ultramolecular/molecular's effect presence and materialistic side---by molecular presence AND their homeopathic effects, are crystal clear to me as I evalued in this topic [with the help of skeptic.]

Energetic side-- by presence & change in size of all type of molecules(atoms sizes are changed specifically by external influences), present in final remedy which are specifically effected by mixing, diluting and energy applications during potentization.

Materialistic side--by presence of molecules of different sized, in different clusters and of different type of molecules of active+carrier+contamination substances in final remedy on mixing, diluting, energy applications during potentization and on becoming airborne and mixing into any potency due to potentization during this process.

Homeopathic effects: In view of weak stumuli or low doses stimulate and promote physiological and psyclogical activities--above quantity serve as information and weak stimuli or low doses to stimulate and promote physiological and psyclogical activities on applications...which is also an indicated theory/logic behind homeopathic effects.

Mixed substances in final remedy: In view of much hard work is suggested in selecting correct remedy and most significant symptoms, presence of required weak stimuli/low dose in selected remedy shall effect prominiently, specifically & significantly-- supressing weak symptoms and ignoring irrelavent or insignificant symptoms. In this consideration, Some aggravations and proving symptoms may be possible but these can be feeling of some un-pleasentness, not adverse or toxic effects in view of non-presence of toxic quantities.
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Rest can be read in detail at above link with usual this and that type of taliks. I think above quote and discussions can furthur help, add and clear unclarities.

Best wishes.

edited to correct and enhance meanings.
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No, Kayveeh, although what you say is nonsense, I'm afraid it does not serve to actually disprove homeopathy.

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No, Kayveeh, although what you say is nonsense, I'm afraid it does not serve to actually disprove homeopathy.

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No, I think you don't want to understand or accept. Anyway I am satisfied.
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Mr, hans,

Can you prove/show, how size of molecules or atoms of active substance, carriers and contaminations can remain the same during potentization process at various potencies?
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Kayveeh, it is not my job to prove you wrong. You make a claim, you prove it.

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Kayveeh, it is not my job to prove you wrong. You make a claim, you prove it.

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It means you don't want to involve in pursuing to know "science of homeopathic remedies"--but just want to oppose it in anyway. No sportsman's sprit? Previously, you were persitent and absolute on non-presence of molecules of active substance in higher potencies, but now history is changed. Alike all possibilities are there in any persisting, practically observed and experianced theory by mass and well distributed people. So it should be considered in science as "EXISTING BUT ITS SCIENCE COULDN'T YET BE KNOWN"....may be due to weaknesses or not attended suitably or otherwise for vested or egoistic interests.

Eventhough you will never accept or really contribute due to preconcieved ideas or otherwise, still read following understading about shape variations in atoms esp. italic ones:-

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Electron configuration

..The occupied shell of greatest n is the valence shell, even if it only has one electron. In the most stable ground state, an atom's electrons will fill up its shells in order of increasing energy. Under some circumstances an electron may be excited to a higher energy level (that is, it absorbs energy from an external source and leaps to a higher shell), leaving a space in a lower shell. An excited atom's electrons will spontaneously fall into lower levels, emitting excess energy as a photons, until it returns to the ground state.

In addition to its principal quantum number n, an electron is distinguished by three other quantum numbers: the azimuthal quantum number l (describing the orbital angular momentum of the electron), the magnetic quantum number m (describing the direction of the angular momentum vector), and the spin quantum number s (describing the direction of the electron's intrinsic angular momentum). Electrons with varying l and m have distinctive shapes denoted by spectroscopic notation. In the illustration, the letters s, p, d and f (corresponding to l = 0, 1, 2, 3) describe the shape of the atomic orbital. In most atoms, orbitals of differing l are not exactly degenerate but separated into a fine structure. Orbitals of differing m are degenerate but may be separated by applying a magnetic field, creating the Zeeman effect. Electrons with differing s have very slight energy differences called hyperfine splitting.

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You may also go on reading hapthy link, which I provided in previous post.
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It means you don't want to involve in pursuing to know "science of homeopathic remedies"--but just want to oppose it in anyway. No sportsman's sprit?
Plenty of sportsman's spirit, but I'm not a masochist. I have had enough of trying to explain simple physics to you. If googling technical words and putting them together randomly is your way of having fun, I won't spoil it for you, but play without me.

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Previously, you were persitent and absolute on non-presence of molecules of active substance in higher potencies, but now history is changed.
This only shows how little you understand of it all. History has not changed at all. The issue of contamination has been addressed long ago. You even developed your own little theory of how it did not matter.

We then discussed the application of Avogadro's limit because some Pakistani homeopaths claimed it did not apply to homeopathy. I am to this day not sure exactly what their argument was, but they ended up talking about contamination and we acknowledged that in any practical laboratory, the point where you cannot distinguish any remedy or potency from stock solvent is reached much before Avogadro's limit, due to contamination.

How anybody is able to see this as an argument in favor of homeopathy is beyond me. Certainly, the litany of random words you have been droning for the last few days don't make any sense at all.

The reason I don't pick your argumentation apart is that I simply don't bother anymore. If you insist on building dream castles and pretend you are doing science, I won't stop you.

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Mr.Hans,

Anyway, size of atoms and molecules effected by mixing, dilutions and energy applications of all type of molecules present in any potency can be changed as per the quote I provided in previous post(edited). Pls check it.
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