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MRC_Hans · #11 (**permalink**) 20th February 2006, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

I have had enough of trying to explain simple physics to you.

Note the sentence from my post above. If there are any of the words you don't understand, do ask.

Hans

kayveeh · #12 (**permalink**) 20th February 2006, 10:12 AM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Note the sentence from my post above. If there are any of the words you don't understand, do ask.

Hans

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In addition to its principal quantum number n, an electron is distinguished by three other quantum numbers: the azimuthal quantum number l (describing the orbital angular momentum of the electron), the magnetic quantum number m (describing the direction of the angular momentum vector), and the spin quantum number s (describing the direction of the electron's intrinsic angular momentum). Electrons with varying l and m have distinctive shapes denoted by spectroscopic notation. In the illustration, the letters s, p, d and f (corresponding to l = 0, 1, 2, 3) describe the shape of the atomic orbital. In most atoms, orbitals of differing l are not exactly degenerate but separated into a fine structure. Orbitals of differing m are degenerate but may be separated by applying a magnetic field, creating the Zeeman effect. Electrons with differing s have very slight energy differences called hyperfine splitting.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atom

In addition to its principal quantum number n, an electron is distinguished by three other quantum numbers...

MRC_Hans · #13 (**permalink**) 20th February 2006, 02:39 PM

Kayveeh, did you know that you cannot determine the quantum state of an electron, without changing it?

Hans

kayveeh · #14 (**permalink**) 20th February 2006, 03:00 PM

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The Size of Atoms: Metallic Radii

The size of an isolated atom can't be measured because we can't determine the location of the electrons that surround the nucleus. We can estimate the size of an atom, however, by assuming that the radius of an atom is half the distance between adjacent atoms in a solid.

http://chemed.chem.purdue.edu/genche...iew/bp/ch7/siz e.html

If isolated atoms can't be measured but just assumed or estimated, how can anyone say that atom's size can't be changed sub-emission level?

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Solids expand in response to heating and contract on cooling; this response to temperature change is expressed as its coefficient of thermal expansion:

The coefficient of thermal expansion is used in two ways:

as a volumetric thermal expansion coefficient
as a linear thermal expansion coefficient
These characteristics are closely related. The volumetric thermal expansion coefficient can be measured for all substances of condensed matter (liquids and solid state). The linear thermal expansion can only be measured in the solid state and is common in engineering applications..The linear thermal expansion coefficient relates the change in temperature to the change in a material's linear dimensions. It is the fractional change in length of a bar per degree of temperature change
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coeffic...rmal_expansion

"Most materials expand when heated. This is because, as you heat the
material, the atoms gain energy and move around more. When they move
they push their neighbors away, thus expanding the space they 'occupy'."

How it happens?

MRC_Hans · #15 (**permalink**) 20th February 2006, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kayveeh

"Most materials expand when heated. This is because, as you heat the
material, the atoms gain energy and move around more. When they move
they push their neighbors away, thus expanding the space they 'occupy'."

How it happens?

Just like people. When it gets hot, you need space around you,

Hans

kayveeh · #16 (**permalink**) 21st February 2006, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

Just like people. When it gets hot, you need space around you,

Hans

How it is not increase in volume of atoms?

Btw, when size of atom increases, its motions also increases or not?

MRC_Hans · #17 (**permalink**) 21st February 2006, 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by kayveeh

How it is not increase in volume of atoms?

By being an increase in motion.

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Btw, when size of atom increases, its motions also increases or not?

Not.

Hans

kayveeh · #18 (**permalink**) 21st February 2006, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by MRC_Hans

By being an increase in motion.

Not.

Hans

To move faster one may require more space and opposite when one move slower.

kayveeh · #19 (**permalink**) 21st February 2006, 10:04 AM

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In the atomic case we could fix the position of the nucleus in space and consider only the motion of the electrons relative to the nucleus. In molecules, the nuclei may also change positions relative to one another. This complication can, however, be removed. The nuclei are very massive compared to the electrons and their average velocities are consequently much smaller than those possessed by the electrons. In a classical picture of the molecule we would see a slow, lumbering motion of the nuclei accompanied by a very rapid motion of the electrons. The physical implication of this large disparity in the two sets of velocities is that the electrons can immediately adjust to any change in the position of the nuclei. The positions of the nuclei determine the potential field in which the electrons move. However, as the nuclei change their positions and hence the potential field, the electrons can immediately adjust to the new positions. Thus the motion of the electrons is determined by where the nuclei are but not by how fast the nuclei are moving. We may, because of this fact, discuss the motions of the electrons and of the nuclei separately.

For a given distance between the nuclei we obtain the energy, the wave function and the electron density distribution of the electrons, the nuclei being held in fixed positions. Then the distance between the nuclei is changed to a new value, and the calculation of the energy, wave function and electron density distribution of the electrons is performed again. This process, repeated for every possible internuclear distance, allows us to determine how the energy of the electrons changes as the distance between the nuclei is changed. http://www.chemistry.mcmaster.ca/esa...r_6/intro.html

"Newton's theory that a body in motion will continue in motion until another force acts on it should say that the energy of an object will remain constant until it transfers or absorbs energy from something else."

I think above quotes can be used as referance about changes in electron's locations.

Why mixing, dilution and application of energy during potentization process can't be considered as "acting of another forces and transfering or absorbion of energy from something else" ??

MRC_Hans · #20 (**permalink**) 21st February 2006, 12:20 PM

Ahh, we have come full circle. You asked almost precisely the same question two years ago on the JREf forum. It was explained to you, but apparantly, that and another couple of years of "studying" have left you none the wiser.

I don't think my answer this time will make you wiser, but I'll try anyway.

First of all, be very careful about those analogies about particles as balls etc. Those are just analogies and nobody knows what a particle looks like.

Newton's law of motion is not applicable on the subatomic level. To be sure, even an electron has a mass and thus some inertia, but inside an atom, the other forces acting upon it are so much larger that you can forget about Newton.

Mixing and diluting is a macromolecular action. None of the activities influence the molecular or atomic structure. The energy applied during potentization is not nearly strong enough to influence submolecular structures. All that happens is that the fluid gets agitated and a little hotter. The agitation soon stops due to friction, and the heat is dissipated to the surroundings in a matter of minutes.

Not that it makes any difference because even the subatomic changes you are referring to are unstable, and cannot be expected to last for more than a short time.

I'm sorry, Kayveeh, but as usual, you are groping in the dark. The sad thing is that the darkness only exists inside your own head, because of your lack of basic knowledge.

For your own sake, either learn some elementary physics, or stop wasting your time on this.

Hans

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