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Old 4th February 2006, 11:17 AM
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KV, you apparantly don't understand this. You are just doing your usual picking whatever detail that suits you out of the context.
Do you understand science of homeopathic working? If not, pls don't make anything invalid--absolutely?

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The weak stimuli effects are not about a few molecules. They are about a low dose, and that is something entirely different.
Some effects can be grossly felt by common people other effects may not. But it does not mean that we are not getting effects. We may have to evaulate, measure and feel effects (by deepest meditation/concentrations and prolonged practices as our ancient saint/scientists done or by any capable instrument) produced by any substance in any form by sensing/taking capabilities of individual units of our body...that may be cellular or sub/ultra-cellular(?).

Can our cells or any other individual unit of our body sense effect of a molecule or few molecules?

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Also, your line of argumentation is fatal to your cause: If you want to argue that a few molecules of a substance in a remedy can be responsible for the effect, you are in serious trouble, because, as I have explained, a remedy will contain millions of molecules of hundreds of different substances, so how are you going to argue that precisely those of the raw substance, if present, are responsible for the effect?
Your views/evaluation may not be of mine and true. Why Homeopaths do such a hard work before prescribing the single and similar individualized remedy (the Simillium)?

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I have asked you before, KV, do you have any idea of the size of a molecule?

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As per its MW and structure.

Here, it causes more strain/contractions or physiological/psychological activity in me to see a decimal/point in my computer screen than to see whole screen. How such a small size decimal%
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It comes to my notice that Hans is lieing about mas and me at various forums about the winning prize of james randi prize. It is for clarification that the above cited post does not reveal that Dr. MAS has actually won the prize. (Read Again)

Actually Dr. MAS has offered one million dollar prize money to james randi, as he is ill. Now James has undergone bye pass surgery. If they need they mass.org are ready to donate one million dollar prize to james that is sponsored by www.hhomeopharma.com , Igra & like pharmacies.
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At this link, Dr. MAS disclosed the prize money which was sponsored by pakistani pharmacies.

http://www.nch.ipbfree.com/index.php?showtopic=584

That prize money actually dr. mas offered to James Randi becos he is seriously ill.
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We are still waiting for MAS to provide documentation that his prize actually exists.

This has been asked at least 20 times, but Dr. Sheikh has refused to provide such documentation.

We can only conclude that the prize does not exist.

As for the claim that MAS won hte Randi price, you can all read the opening post in this thread and make your own conslusions.

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Avogadro Number and Homeopathy

Many experiments have been conducted in the more remote past as well as re-cently, to at least prove the existence of something in our potencies, of which I will give some examples here.

1. In 1948, Wormser and Loch tested several substances from 24X to 30X. They used a photoelectric cell, to measure the intensity and wavelength of these potencies and found measurable changes, of both intensity and wave-length in these substances.

2. In the years 1951-3, Gay and Boiron tested both distilled water and Natrum muriaticum in the 27C potency for their dielectric constant. They were able to show that the potency of Natrum mur. could be easily selec-ted from among 99 control bottles.

3. In 1963, Boericke and Smith tested a 12X potency of Sulphur, with and without succussion. They tested the solvent structure by nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum. They found that there were structural changes in the solvent, as the potency was increased by succussion, while no such change was detected in the controls. They repeated the experiment in 1974, with diverse potencies of Sulphur, up to the 30C.

4. In 1966, Stephenson and Brucato tested both distilled water and Mercu-rius corrosivus, from the 1X to the 33X. They found that the dielectric constant for the controls varied from 5.6 to 6.05. For the homoeopathic potencies it varied from 2.8 to 4.4.

5. In 1975, Young tested Sulphur from 5X to 30X, with controls. He also tested the solvent structure by nuclear magnetic resonance spectrum. He found that there were measurable changes in the spectra at each dilution and succussion. No such changes were observed for the solution without succussion or without Sulphur.

6. In 1976, Boiron and Vinh used Raman Laser Spectroscopy, showing that for the 1C potency of Kali bichromicum the spectrum of alcohol disap-pears completely, while that for potassium bichromate appears. In Kali bich 1C the ratio of the number of potassium bichromate molecules is 1 to 500. In such a case the light meets 500 more alcohol molecules as those of bichromate, yet the alcohol spectrum does not appear.

7. In 1982, Resch, Gutman and Schauer found that dilute sodium chloride solutions revealed an increase in electrical conductivity, by rocking them prior to measurement.

8. Four French researchers developed a method of detection through nu-clear magnetic resonance, conducted in the late 80's, which shows spe-cific sinus waves for each potency, as well as a specific sinus wave for the substance used. These latter remain the same throughout all poten-cies of that substance, while the sinus wave expressing the potencies, are specific to those potencies. Thus a clear and recognisable scientifi-cally provable frame of reference exists, for each remedy and potency.

9. More recent NMR studies have reached similar conclusions (Demangeat et al., 1992; Weingärtner, 1992).

10. Recent experiments with Raman Laser Spectrography have shown that a 1M potency (1 divided by 100 to the –1000th power) of Kali bichromicum reveal the spectrum of Kali bichromicum and not that of water. It must be realized that there are supposedly no molecules of Kali bichromicum present in this dilution rate, since it is way beyond Avogadro’s limit, which lies at 1024 or 10012.

11. Another Raman Laser Spectrography test with Natrum muriaticum 10M showed the spectrum of Chloride of sodium, instead that of water. It must be noted that here the dilution rate is a 1000 times smaller still than that of the previous example.

12. Ultra-high dilutions of lithium chloride and sodium chloride (10-30 g/cm-3) have been irradiated by X-rays at 77 K, then progressively rewarmed to room temperature. During that phase, their thermo luminescence has been studied and it was found that, despite their dilution beyond the Avo-gadro number, the emitted light was specific of the original salts dissolved initially.

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Nancy, that was quite an impressive list. If you could provide some links it would be good. Sometimes it is good to refer to the actual study before using the conclusion stated in there.

I think Dr.MAs and his group of pakistani merry men are doing homoeopathy a great disservice by some of their claims.

I joined otherhealth forum some time back and just rejoined but it seem to be "dying" a slow death.

Keep the references coming. Good work.
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We are all soldiers of Homeopathy. Let Homeopathy acheive new heights. Nothing could be more soothing than that. Just remember to keep on adding drops to an ocean without thinking that your occean might be too small.
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