bwv11, are you suggesting (by expansion) that "homeopathy works" and "homeopathy doesn't work" are both correct, based on different people's definition of "working"?

sure ... i'm ok with that. however, your question reflects a problem in formulating my comments, which i was aware of and pretty much anticipated having to clarify at some point, so i do appreciate that you have brought this up.

first: i think the first point is to clarify that i am suggesting that disagreements must be analyzed on an individual, case by case basis. further, that in any particular case (any particular disagreement), opinons that appear to be contradictory and mutually exclusive, may resolve to questions of nomenclature or perspective and the like. this happens all the time, but in the nature of things is very difficult to identify clearly: after all, if two people are using different terms to describe the same things, but don't realize it, then clarifying the terminological confusion is a process that rests on using existing terminology to clarify confusions in existing terminology ... if you can imagine how that might cause confusion itself.

in therapy sessions i see this all the time, with couples and families. people argue vehemently without realizing they are saying the same things. it takes a great deal of work to get them to disengage from the emotional entanglements (pretty much comparable to 'bias') that interfere with clarity of communications.

second: in a practical sense, sometimes homeopathy works, and sometimes it doesn't. this might be due to incompetence of the prescriber; or intractibility of the 'disease;' or interference from unrecognized 'confounders...' etc.

third: but the key element, highlighted by your question, is whether homeopathy "works" ... in principle. in other words, assuming for argument that it is a fact that homeopathic remedies are efficacious against disease, which also implies just by extension, that subavogadrean physics (as i would frame it) still has some surprises in store for us, then we would have to conclude that, no, only the opinion that 'homeopathy works' is correct. although, in that instance, it would probably be better to say that 'homeopathy is an efficacious treatment,' recognizing that no treatment is 100% successful 100% of the time, for a variety of reasons.

or, more basically, your question could be re-framed to this: are homeopathic remedies really medicines, or just sugar pills? in response to that question, and given the assumption (for the sake of argument) that homeopathy is a real medical intervention, then only the people who say "yes" are correct.

in other words, at that point, we have 'controlled for' problems of communication and conceptual confusion, so that we can discuss, more directly, what is really "true" in an absolute sense, that is, apart from the distortions of 'reality' introduced by our relativistic points of view.

does that help?

bach

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bach,

Doesn't it looks that skeptics behaviour is alike; two teams are playing very well in a play ground but one pro a team says that, "my team is really/only playing, other not".

However, to neutral people or people with sport's man sprit, it looks alike that both are well playing. Who is right?

"Nothing may be absolute and complete, so anything may be dependent or substitute of others"

I don't mind in changing above words, if skeptics and pro people can agree absolutely on that, their pro-system/understanding is "absolute and complete".

Will/can they??

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Two teams are playing. One team claims to be able to score hoops by throwing the ball over the back of their head with their eyes shut. They miss, but when they turn around and see the ball rolling on the ground they shout, "hey! It went in!"

The other team actually watch the ball.
People on the first team claim that the second team's eyesight is not 20/20, or that quantum fluctuations and solar flares and the moon being in uranus mean that what they saw wasn't necessarily what everyone else on the side of the field saw.

Wicked analogy. Keep 'em coming.

moopet -

did you miss my response, which appeared just before kv's? or just not had time to respond yet?

anyway, just bumping this up just in case ...

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Homeopathic medicines stimulate your body's homeostatic mechanism so your body heals itself by dealing with the sources of your symptoms. This stimulus assists your system in clearing itself of any expressions of imbalance. The homoeopath physician gives you a medicine which matches your symptoms as you experience them, and which takes into account you as a person - your individual characteristics emotionally as well as physically.
Here's an example of how this works. Think of your "natural regulator" as your internal temperature gauge. If you go outside and it is very hot, your body will recognize it is too hot and begin to perspire. Your homeostatic mechanism is producing a symptom - perspiration - in an effort to cool down the body. If you go outside and it is very cold, the symptom is shivering. Your homeostatic mechanism is trying to warm the body up by shivering to produce heat.
Think about the last time you were shivering. You could not control it, and you did not stop until you were warm. It is the same way with homeopathic medicines. If you are ill and your body is showing symptoms, the symptoms will not disappear until the source of the symptoms has disappeared.
Homeopathic medicine’s main action is through taste buds, esophageal canal, stomach and intestine (part of immune system), even through nasal and skin area, and in response to antigenic attack on body very specific antibodies are released which destroys the antigenicity of the organisms and there is no drug resistance as such, because own defense systems comes into action each time there is an attack of organisms.
Homoeopathic action begins as the medicine touches the moist surface of tongue from where it directly goes into circulation of a huge network of nerves which is spread like miles in the body system, nerves are spread like electric wires in the body and from the tongue or olfactory nerves it reaches to a very specific point of weakness in immune system and starts correcting or boosting or strengthening it. Likewise you can imagine how accurate the potency and wavelength of the homoeopathic drug, each of which carries a very specific WAVELENGTH and identity and can enter the weak points of a diseased individual in matter of microseconds when the drug and the disease is matched accurately!!! So wrong medicine does not bring about any cure, and is mere waste of effort.
More details at HOW DOES HOMEOPATHY WORK? - Homeopathic Research, Physical, Clinical Research

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