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There are DBPC studies which have shown significant results, but as with any study, the results can be refuted.
That sentence could be qualified as "but as with any homeopathic study, the results can be refuted". Strangely enough this doesn't happen nearly as often in trials on conventional treatments. It seems to me that the ability to plan and carry out DBPC studies is rather lower in the homeopathic community than within conventional medicine.
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That sentence could be qualified as "but as with any homeopathic study, the results can be refuted". Strangely enough this doesn't happen nearly as often in trials on conventional treatments. It seems to me that the ability to plan and carry out DBPC studies is rather lower in the homeopathic community than within conventional medicine.
May be unrequired, because adversities--side/adverse or toxic effects are least in homeopathic remedies.Practical observations and experiance in mass people since long, may be much more than other studies whose basis can be to understand both real effects and adversities.
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May be unrequired, because adversities--side/adverse or toxic effects are least in homeopathic remedies.
Of course, water and sugar pills are not known to cause any side effects.

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Practical observations and experiance in mass people since long, may be much more than other studies whose basis can be to understand both real effects and adversities.
If you again claim that it is not possible to perform scientific studies to find out if homeopathis remedies has any effect because ithe treatment is so special you are at the same time saying that the "practical observations and experiances" can't be relied on.
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Of course, water and sugar pills are not known to cause any side effects.
You can't claim and declare "mass existing and well distributed modern people all over the world in millions as fool, illitrate, guliable or frauds who are using homeopathy repeatedly since long and observing and experiancing real effects with least adversities". Although Sugar pills can cause side effects to diabetics.



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If you again claim that it is not possible to perform scientific studies to find out if homeopathis remedies has any effect because ithe treatment is so special you are at the same time saying that the "practical observations and experiances" can't be relied on.
Yes, homeopathic remedies can't be studied equivalent to crude chemical's studies which may show strong effects--may be real, side, adverse or toxic. Moreover there can be a weakness or miss in current scientific understanding in understanding the homeopathic remedies, suitably. So don'r expect or compare at par, till "science is absolute".
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You can't claim and declare "mass existing and well distributed modern people all over the world in millions as fool, illitrate, guliable or frauds who are using homeopathy repeatedly since long and observing and experiancing real effects with least adversities". Although Sugar pills can cause side effects to diabetics.
Rubbish, lots of people are extremely gullible and believe in the strangest things. You can't know they are "experiancing real effects". If you can't distinguish the remedy from placebo in a controlled trial you can't possibly do it in clinical practice. You're just guessing and that's not good enough for me thank you.

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Yes, homeopathic remedies can't be studied equivalent to crude chemical's studies which may show strong effects--may be real, side, adverse or toxic.
Bull****. I've heard this about homeopathic remedies being completely free from sideeffects so many times by now. If you claim that homeopathic remedies have a physiological effect in the body then they can/will also have adverse effects. Only thing is that the lousy state of your treasured "case notes" can't possibly reveal that. Rumours and gossip, that's what you got, and when each adverse effect is categorized as a normal aggravation that proves that the remedy works...well...bad luck for the patient.
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jocce, since you have no practical observations and experiances, it will be theoritical on your part. Otherwise it is quite practical....as well the other mass......systems. Majority of practical observers and who experianced, practically speak differently than you. Live evidances can be better proof than theoritical stories. Yes, I agree, its constituents, its science couldn't yet be known by science--may either be a "miss" or "weakness" nothing else.
So discuss at least here, considering/accepting this at first place as you are reading many positive observations and experiances, here.
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And I repeat: How can you separate placebo responses and normal recovery from the effects of remedy in your "mass existing experiences"?
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And I repeat: How can you separate placebo responses and normal recovery from the effects of remedy in your "mass existing experiences"?
Well qualified homeopaths observe it different. Mass people...using it experiance it different so come again and again. Many countries legally allowed the practices with similar studies eq. to other medical studies--tell it is different.....so alike practicals can be many many.
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Well qualified homeopaths observe it different.
And I repeat: How can you separate placebo responses and normal recovery from the effects of remedy in your "mass existing experiences"?

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Mass people...using it experiance it different so come again and again.
And this is different from astrology in what way?

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Many countries legally allowed the practices with similar studies eq. to other medical studies--tell it is different.....so alike practicals can be many many.
Which? What?
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And I repeat: How can you separate placebo responses and normal recovery from the effects of remedy in your "mass existing experiences"?
It is there. Most patients are not previously informed, what they are being treated and what they are getting. Animal, children are aoso treated. The purpose is to cure, so no need to seprate. Anyone can sit in clinics an observe accordingly.


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Which? What?
All mass..re valid in some senses or equivelant to respect, research, means given to them. One should respect his parents and ancestors to carry forward. Otherwise one can go up a hill, come back, and again climb differently... It will be never ending.

Whether science is "absolute" and "complete"? On mass/common scale, how old its medicines and theories are?
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