"To whom it may concern"

Just found the site. FYI I do not believe, for the most part, that homeopathic remedies are reliable, and think whatever benefits obtained from them are largely a placebo. I also think the "logic" behind the "science" of homeopathy is severely flawed, to say the least.

Having said that, I also have always believed that the bottom line is "go with what works" so if something works for you, more power to you.

Finally, just an FYI that as I review and reply to some threads, my viewpoint mentioned above will come through in no uncertain terms, and I don't exactly tend to walk on eggshells about my opinions. But I'm not trying to "flame" anyone or whatever....point being I try to keep my thoughts on the issue at hand and what's being said, not turn it into some spitting contest, and won't get dragged down into it much with anyone who does. If you feel I've stepped over the line, feel free to PM me and hopefully we can quickly resolve it.....just think it's pointless to clutter up a topic with some "catfight" BS. OK? Thx.

Back to the eye of newt discussions.

Please read 'The science of homeopathy' by Vithoulkus and come back.we shall discuss further.

Murthy

Have always had trouble in believing that homeopathy is anything other than an art. Vithoulkus is ok for science freaks , suggest you read and chat with Murthy.

dear passkey,

art? what's art? ;-)

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"The need to perform adjustments for covariates...weakens the findings." BMJ Clinical Evidence: Mental Health, (No. 11), p. 95.... It's that simple, guys: bad numbers make bad science.

I'll check it out if you read this with an even semi-objective mindset (and pls disregard the unflattering title; just consider what he's saying, esp. the part about extreme dilutions which amount to a statistical zero ie "empty calories" used as a cure):

http://www.quackwatch.org/01Quackery...ics/homeo.html


PS I repeat, if something works for you then more power to you, as that's the bottom line....placebo or not.

Hey BigRed. Have you ever tried this? I mean as prescribed by a person certified in it? I am a scientist/engineer and not prone to illness or imagination. I never, ever thought it would do anything to me, but I was wrong. And of course I read all the articles debunking it. (remember I am a scientist/engineer) Sometimes in life I have learned science cannot provide all the answers. There is a real and spiritual part to our very beings as well as a physical one. If you are truly a skeptic you should try it just to see.... That would say more than a cursory google search on the internet for articles that debunk the theory.

BigRed,

You are a novice,if you assume that placebos cure 3rd stage cervical displacia,and calcareous spurs.Similar is the case with kidney problems.

As I told you already,I was a great sceptic myself.You will also be a convert if you start reading books about homeopathy,along with all the **** you are referring to.

Murthy

dear sceptic one,
"placebo or not",in this case it is not (placebo) it is an energy medicine,same as many other energy meds that have been on this planet for a long time.
Yes i agree when homeopathic meds are subjected to 'scientific' instruments 'nothing is there' that can be detected. The energy is awakened via 'succusion' or kinetic energy.
perhaps the book" Bioenergetic medicines east and west" (by Clark Manning/ Louis Vanrenen)will open your eyes.
contains chapters such as.....homeopathy and scientific validation,the microdose enigma, the six energetic layers. (the chinese call this energy "chi").
joseph Needham from cambridge university gives his interpretation of this energy "chi" ...." we said that chi is something like the life pneuma,i.e. subtle spirits,tenuous matter,somethingresembling air, or gas,or vapor,but also something which could have the character of radiant energy like radioactivity..."

Gina Tyler

bigred,
This thread is not appropriate for this forum. If you wish to discuss skeptical views of homeopathy, direct them to the appropriate forum (Research and Scientific Validity Forum).

I will not lock this thread, because there are other posts which are relevant to this forum (the Homeopathy Discussion Forum). However, all future posts in this thread concerning the scientific validity of homeopathy will be removed from this thread. So, if you wish those posts not to go missing - please redirect them to the Research and Scientific Validity Forum.

EDIT: Thread now split and moved to the Research and Scientific Validity Forum.

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And why pray tell is what I referred to such "****" - ? (PS if a large part of the benefit of homeopathy is "spiritual" I don't think you're helping your cause by cussing at me. You seem to be going somewhat contrary to the whole thing there.....)

I think you underestimate the potential power of placebos, but hey that's simply my opinion, which I'm entitled to no more or less than you are entitled to yours. What I have read to date causes me to think any value homeopathy has is as a placebo effect, at most. I'm still reading though.

And I will repeat yet again: regardless of the "why" behind it, if it works for you, great.