Hello all,

Can we consider below mentioned sequence/concept about the logic/science of "Working of Potentised Remedies"?:-

Case:1. Molecular Potencies:- Raw remedy substance+ Carriers+ various contaminations>> Potentization upto molecular potencies.

Case: 2.Non-Molecular Potencies:- Raw remedy substance+ Carriers+ various contaminations>> Potentization upto non molecular potencies.

Both are absorbed in mouth before stomach across mucus membrane OR through the skin>> chemical reactions takes place OR molecules of both disassociate in ions before or after absorption>> releases/absorb differant levels of energies by disassociation>> this energy effects sensory parts/cells directly as more is available near to MM or skin>> also effects nerves & causes nerve impulses>> awaken/initiate the VF or cells to perform the required functions>> furthur healing is done by VF or respective cells being awakened<<.

Notes:-

1. Most of the chemical reactions are exothermic & so releases the energy. However both exothermic or endothermic reactions may cause nerve impulses.

2. Differant level of energies can be released by ; (a) molecules of raw remedies substances along with molecules of contaminations & carriers (b) differant potencies.

3. Effect of absorption through the mucus membrane/skin AND through the usual intestines may be differant. MM & Skin being more sensory with nerves endings can show instant/direct effects.

4. It looks that hetrogenous substances/tissue salts being taken in bulk quantities daily may not be in physical short supply & so remedies of these tissue salts may not act-- as supplying the physical defficiencies of these salts but can act by correcting the physiological deficiencies on energy grounds as mentioned above.

5. However, hetrogenous/toxic substances in lower potencies may or may not work by their direct physical effects on nerves/cells.

6. It may be bit doubtful (as per current available testing technologies/science) that non molecular/higher potencies work on physical molecules or their energies of raw remedy substances but can work on energies released due to differance in potencies.

It looks that this can be the only possible logic for the working of potentised remedies. In short;

" Potentised remedies may be working on exothermic & endothermic energies/chemical reactions or disassociation & association of molecules & ions on applications".

This can be one of my thought/imagination or assumption.

Best wishes.

P.S. Added/edited 7th May.

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Just for referance:-

Oral Absorption
The oral mucosa has a thin epithelium and a rich vascularity that favors absorption, but contact is usually too brief, even for drugs in solution, for appreciable absorption to occur. A drug placed between the gums and cheek (buccal administration) or under the tongue (sublingual administration) is retained longer so that absorption is more complete.

A good article on Oral absorption is at;

http://www.positivehealth.com/permit...alth/lea13.htm

Exothermic & Endothermic reactions
An exothermic reaction releases energy. The energy change that accompanies a reaction can be written in the equation.

CH4(g) + 2O2 (g) -> CO2(g) + 2H2O(I) + 213 Kcal

Here the 213 kcal are a product and appear on the right hand side of the equation. the reaction produces energy so the sign for the 213 kcal is negative, (-213 kcal). The reaction is exothermic.

The amount of energy change is proportional to the mass of material consumed in the reaction. If two moles of methane are burned the heat effect will be doubled.

An endothermic reaction uses energy as a reactant.

N2(g) + O2(g) + 43 Kcal --> 2 NO(g)

The energy change that accompanies a reaction can be written in the chemical equation. Here the 43 kcal are needed to make the reaction occur. The sign for the energy change is +. This is an endothermic reaction. The surroundings must provide energy to make this reaction happen. We are fortunate that the oxygen and nitrogen require energy to force them to react. Otherwise we could have lost our atmosphere in a burst of flame years ago.

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That is very difficult me to understand. I need lot of mental focusing to understand this post. Please try to explain in simple words. thanks

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Hafeez
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1.Bigger sized molecules are converted in smaller sized molecules on potentization of raw remedy substance including of carriers & contaminations.

2. Bigger sized molecules are converted in smaller sized molecules on potentization of carriers & contaminations.

Being smaller in size these molecules are readily & quickly react or ionize in say mouth or absorbed across the mucus membrane & then react or ionize. This process may release or absorb differant levels of energies(exothermic or endothermic) depending upon raw remedy molecules and/or potencies. This energy should create differant nerve impulses/socking type effects/a vibration which should stimulate the respective cells/inactive cells to perform thier functions.

(in short homeopathic energy should be the energy by exothermic or endothermic reactions of potentised molecules in say mouth or across the mucus membrane which stimulate the inactive system,VF or cells)

Is it clear dear Dr.Mas?

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Successful people don't do different things, they do things differently..S.Kh.

I don't understand what you are trying to say, either, and the explaination is still not clear to me.

how would a larger molecule fit in a smaller moelcule and how would the smaller molecule go about converting the larger one to a smaller one?

What are carriers and what are contaminents. If a remedy is properly made it should have started with the substance and been diluted with an inert substance and there should be no contamenants at all.

Why should it do that? The vital force isn't a bunch of nerves.

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Shirley Reischman

I think kayveeh is saying bigger molecular structure to simple molecular structure.

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Registered Homeopath in NCH, Pakistan
Member of P.H.S, PHDA, HPCA & PHMA.

[QUOTE=sreischman]
how would a larger molecule fit in a smaller moelcule and how would the smaller molecule go about converting the larger one to a smaller one?

I mentioned larger/smaller sized molecules not larger/smaller molecules. There can be a bigger/complex molecule as of Insulin & smaller as of O2. However seeral molecules are attached to each other by molecular forces in bigger sized molecule like a crystal of salt, water, lactose, alcohol etc. When we triturate or dissolve them normally, they still remain bigger or ionize. But when we triturate or dilute them by homeopathic potentization process they seprate in smaller/smallest sized molecules & attach to carriers--water,alcohol or lactose.(dilution/potentization in water & storing on alcohol carrier may be due to sepration by ionization of some substances but storing in molecular forms).

What are carriers and what are contaminents. If a remedy is properly made it should have started with the substance and been diluted with an inert substance and there should be no contamenants at all.

I discussed it previously in 'contamination of homeopathic remedies' topic. Some are--shedded particles from the equipments & tools used in Potentization process, shedded skin particles of workers, atmospheric pollutions & particles, bottles & containers used for potentization & storing, water/lactose/alcohol contamination if any etc. UV rays, sunlight & other rays or radiations can also be thought as energy contaminations. Since, single molecule or particle in important in homeopathic sense, we may have to consider all these contaminations as a part of homeopathic remedies. However these can be common in all remedies. Carriers are alcohol, lactose or water(bit differantly).

Why should it do that? The vital force isn't a bunch of nerves.

VF may not be a bunch of nerves but it can be a bunch of all our energies. Whatever can effect our differant energies, can be taken as effects VF also.

Hope this will help.

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I posted the above quote & posting here also as it indicate "working of homeopathic remedies". When we take food in quantity--absorption through mouth trigger the body system to be prepared for that food & enhance its assimilation. Accordingly, when any remedy is taken then its substance effect may trigger the body system to assimilate the substance/s related to that remedy.

However one more logic in to be considered in this respect:

Contaminations in remedies are mostly in the form of silicea. I think it(Sil.) retain salt & water being hydrophilic. It may also retain/release other biochemicals. Moreover it provides vital heat to body. I think all these effects may trigger ionic movements & nerve impulses.

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Kayveeh says:

"Both are absorbed in mouth before [being absorbed in the] stomach across mucus membrane[s] OR through the skin..."

Again, these are ultramolecular medicines, not "non-molecular," an unknown word.

They are NOT "absorbed"; they are thrown into the energy field of our organisms on the Etheric Plane of existence, what Hahnemann called the vital force but what's more arcanely, more anciently and more scientifically known as the etheric pattern or Vital Body of living beings.

The only sound hypothesis of this pharmaceutical effect, whereby we wield etheric medicines via physical pills, globules, tables, granules, powders and liquids is that the water and alcohol ("hydro-alcohol") molecules of the solvent and dilutent phase of homeopathic pharmacology form into unique polymers due to the binding force of etheric molecules of the chemical substances used in the initial phases of homeopathic potentization.

That is apparently how they enter our bodies or effect us on that level of being or plane of existence.

But they only have homeopathic effects if they are the most similar medicine or are prescribed over a period of time as a series of medicines close to being one's simillimum ("thing most similar"), which process Adolph von Lippe called zig zagging a case to cure.

Therefore, Kayveeh's premise is wrong, and that should end this discussion.

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As for being absorbed through the skin, I believe this is another misunderstanding.

He is probably referring to the otherwise mysterious phenomenon of olfaction, whereby mere sniffing of medicated pellets or liquid has the same effects as letting them dissolve in the mouth.

Experience proves these effects to exist in both provings and cures, so it is apparently a physical* and nonphysical process rather than a chemical one.

This data or these experiments and clinical practices with homeopathic olfaction seem to confirm the premise I hold to of these being ultramolecular, etheric medicines with ultramolecular, etheric effects in their primary phases of setting the disordered vital force or etheric pattern arright for it to then do what it should have done in the first place, before symptoms made their presence and long before manifesting as some diagnosable disease.

The unavoidable conclusion from all of this evidence is that it is simply a matter of two etheric patterns meeting, cure occuring only when the two patterns (manifesting to our senses only as symptoms) are similar enough to produce these curative effects.

It seems to be that simple, and I wish we could cease trying to explain these processes in allopathic, mechanistic, material terms, especially when we realize that Hahnemann, von Boeinghausen (Hahnemann's most adherent student and colleague), Lippe and others complained that "materialism underlies all of these [allopathic] errors."

Please, we are physicians belonging to the future practicing a medical system that's probably as old as civilization on our planet, viz., possibly 78,000 years old as demonstrated by the existence of homeopaths in the ancient Rama Empire, which came from Lemurian/Mukulian Civilization, the first and most important civilization from which we gained experience and advanced in character and Egoic awareness.

So please cease trying to find allopathic justifications for our theory and practice; it won't work, folks!

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footnote: *Here is a misnomer, but the word "physical" is used in the classical sense of the word emplying forces recognized in physics, there being this grand division of either physical or chemical forces. Again, the ONLY reason people ordinarily hear it or read it to mean material forces or effects is due to contemporary brainwashing to, indoctrination from or so-called "education" in constructs held by the natural sciences, all of which are still foolishly materialistic due to arising our of the great schism between Church and science in the Italian Renaissance. We seem to forget or remain ignorant of the fact that physics has already demonstrated its foolish double talk and conflict with its own data as well as having inadvertently vindicated homeopathic pharacological potentization by admitting to a myriad of nonphysical particles ranging from cogent ones like virtual particles and dark matter and energy to universe-wide field effects like cosmic microwave background radiation and the neutrino sea or flux. That is why I stipulated "and nonphysical" effects/process. Unfortunately, due to the massive brainwashing of our times, had I not added this footnote most people would misunderstand my meaning due to various conditioned-reflex brain reactions and the erroneous conclusions they draw from such ignorant presumptions.

By the way, in contradiction to the misguided defense (along the lines of freedom of speech) of fools like MRC_Hans who reek of these presumptions from ignorance -- which defense ignores the fact that freedom of speech does not protect one from yelling "fire" in a crowded room any more than it should defend them against advocating for mass murder and suffering by ignorantly defending allopathic medicine and the stupid conclusions from the basic sciences -- it seems to me foolish to defend that defender of mass murderers and foolish erroneous assumptions in the natural sciences that are keeping us in the tail end of the Dark Ages. Therefore, in my very considered opinion, such bottomless karmic pits as him are clearly better off dead since they only engender to themselves massive karmic debts from misleading others and in other ways acting out of misguided sincerity. In the vernacular, he and his allopathically brainwashed kind bite big donkey whatshamacallits and should get dead as soon as possible, best at their own hands via suicide but in any event and inevitably in the hands of the quacks they think are doctors. I sometimes envision Providential assistance in getting rid of such dangerous fools like a disintegrated satellite smashing into them, fusing with their flesh (very appropriate for such "mechanical heads," as Hahnemann called them) and making them go poof from this plane of activity so that civilization can get on with the business of advancing once again to Mukulian Civilization or the biblical Kingdom of God. It would, however, in any event, be best and for the best good of all concerned that they exit life in any way possible and thereby shut the phook up!

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Albert, also Hahnemannian444B

Hello Albert,

Thanks for explaining it bit spritually. It is mentioned that "the etheric or energy body is also called the aura or bioplasmic body. It surrounds and interpenetrates the physical body and vivifies it. It controls the physical body and psycho-emotional and spiritual states. It has channels of energy which circulate Prana , which nourishes the system. The etheric body also stores all information, particularly the original causes of physical, emotional and mental imbalances." However it should be linked to (a) with radiations released by the body (b) Dead skin particles shedded continiously from our body & which are our dead cells & so can carry all informations or stores all information, particularly the original causes of physical, emotional and mental imbalances. But I think that if we keep any remedy within our etheric body field it will not produce effects but if we apply it to body(any sensory part) it can effect our etheric pattern.

But to know/understand working of homeopathic remedies logically or scientifically--it is to be in the language of current science--obiously, if we, our patients want the same OR is a legal requirement. Otherwise it is ok as we need not to satisfy any third person who is not related to homeopathy.

If you read deeply my posting above, you will find that the effect/working of both types of potencies are "energy based" only not "matter based". Differant levels of energies are said to be released by various types of reactions in consideration of differant substances & differant potencies. It is not the molecule or matter which effects the working but it is energy released by chemical reactions or association/disassociation of molecules. As taste of any substance prepares whole body for that substance, any application(a light taste) of remedy can also work in this manner.

Regards.

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Homeopathic & Biochemic system existed because Drs.Hahnemann & Schuessler thought differently.
Successful people don't do different things, they do things differently..S.Kh.