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Old 4th May 2004, 07:36 AM
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Has anyone heard of the term 'placebo effect by proxy'. If so, how might this relate to homeopathy?
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Has anyone heard of the term 'placebo effect by proxy'. If so, how might this relate to homeopathy?
Just read at:

http://www.arthursmithphd.com/chapter4.htm

Are you trying to find something about this:-

http://www.hans-egebo.dk/skeptic/Hom...%20article.htm

http://www.skepticreport.com/health/hahnemann.htm

You may understand something about this by studing & understanding(not only reading) the mentionings in my topic on EMs & Reiki--'Anyone there'.
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Thanks for those links. The first one is ok, however, I am afraid that I will not be reading anything that our dear friend MRC Hans has to say or anything that is in any way related to him and his friends at Randiland. He seems to feel that he has the ability to totally re-write and re-interpret The Organon better than Hahnemann himself.

I will read your posting on Reiki again though.

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No, give rights to members to write whatever they have in their minds but do only that thing which appeal you or which is in your mind. MRC posts are very informative but accepting or rejecting someone views is your personal thinking and right and you can enjoy your right at any time. No body will object. But don't force the members to speak what is in your mind or what you feel on a issue.
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Yes ok. From reading some of his posts here, I have to say that they do seem to be totally different. It is just that my experience of him over at Hpathy, where he was banned, along with lots of others was completely different and not so informative.

Perhaps this board is different and is really for sharing information? I hope so anyway.
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...and moreover it may reflect some fear if we avoid, straight away reject or show any irritation. If we are true, no need to fear or avoid. On the contrary it is better to satisfy these type of people on their points. Several therapies including CMS do have several hidden, unsolved, unknown, & other if & buts, how, unknown reasonings, causes & effects are not known etc. etc...then why to avoid or fear.
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Dr Mas, please be careful about misinterpreting what other Members say.
Nobody can force another Member to hold the same opinion. That is up to each Member to choose what they decide to believe.

Naturalhealth's post merely stated an opinion -- it was not inciteful, calling for others to agree with him/her.

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The environment was much like what you experienced at Hpathy for a while. Those that breached the BB rules and brought this board down to personal slagging matches, were banned. Those that didn't, have not been banned. (The point being that anyone can discuss controversial topics, in the appropriate forum, as long as they do so with good will and within the BB Rules/Guidelines. NB: such is the case with MRC_Hans on this BB.).
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Placebo is non medicinal follow up of medication which is recommended to complete the effect of one already given remedy
it is very much recommended in classical homeopathy but I feel quite contraversial of its use
Its entirely a matter of your acting on your concience as Homeopath or performing ditto to ditto as read in the old homeopathys books
yes I dont use placebo in my paratice as patient might not be knowing it but as a healer I know what I am giving and morality ,to me , dont permit
SORRY TO ALL THOSE CLASSICAL HOMEOPATH WHO FIND IT EASY TO GIVE PLACEBOTO THEIR PATIENTS IN THE PRETEXT OF MEDICATION
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Durgs may also have "placebo effects". A new research read at:

http://www.newscientist.com/news/news.jsp?id=ns99994996
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The idea of the placebo effect came from a double blind study of pregnant women with nausea. They were given Ipecacua (allopathically) and some of them improved. The only reason the allopaths could figure out for the improvement, since the Ipecacua was supposed to make them vomit, was that they improved because they thought they had taken something that would make them better. Little did they know that the women responded homeopathically!
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