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It is bit difficult to show "Vital Force"--a homeopathic terminology in science. How following science terminologies can be relevant to Vital Force?

However, there seems to be a problem which I shall mention bit later.

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Vital Force
It is Homeopathy which stresses the existence and operation of the vital force in a living organism. The human organism is a triune entity consisting of body, mind, and spirit. This spirit which is responsible for different manifestations of life was termed by Dr. Hahnemann as 'Vital Force'.
Homeopathy Dictionary, Online Medical Dictionary of Homeopathic Words

Potential Energy
Potential energy is energy stored within a physical system as a result of the position or configuration of the different parts of that system. It is called potential energy because it has the potential to be converted into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy, and to do work in the process...Potential energy is energy that is stored within a system. It exists when there is a force that tends to pull an object back towards some lower energy position. This force is often called a restoring force.
Potential energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Restoring Force
Restoring force, in a physics context, is a variable force that gives rise to an equilibrium in a physical system. If the system is perturbed away from the equilibrium, the restoring force will tend to bring the system back toward equilibrium.
Restoring force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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Vitalism is the metaphysical doctrine that living organisms possess a non-physical inner force or energy that gives them the property of life.

Vitalists believe that the laws of physics and chemistry alone cannot explain life functions and processes. Vitalism is opposed to mechanistic materialism and its thesis that life emerges from a complex combination of organic matter.

The vitalistic principle goes by many names: chi or qi (China) prana (India and therapeutic touch), ki (Japan); Wilhelm Reich's orgone, Mesmer's animal magnetism, Bergson's élan vital (vital force), etc. American advocates much prefer the term energy. Many kinds of alternative therapies or energy medicines are based upon a belief that health is determined by the flow of this alleged energy. For examples, see Ayurvedic medicine, therapeutic touch, reiki, and qigong.

Vitalism is the metaphysical doctrine that living organisms possess, a non-physical inner force or energy that gives them the property of life.

Vitalists believe that the laws of physics and chemistry alone cannot explain life functions and processes. Vitalism is opposed to mechanistic materialism and its thesis that life emerges from a complex combination of organic matter.

The vitalistic principle goes by many names: chi or qi (China) prana (India and therapeutic touch), ki (Japan); Wilhelm Reich's orgone, Mesmer's animal magnetism, Bergson's élan vital (vital force), etc. American advocates much prefer the term energy. Many kinds of alternative therapies or energy medicines are based upon a belief that health is determined by the flow of this alleged energy. For examples, see Ayurvedic medicine, therapeutic touch, reiki, and qigong.

interconnective forces that link the body's various immune and defense functions.
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If so, how it can be proved?
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Vital Force
It is Homeopathy which stresses the existence and operation of the vital force in a living organism. The human organism is a triune entity consisting of body, mind, and spirit. This spirit which is responsible for different manifestations of life was termed by Dr. Hahnemann as 'Vital Force'.
Homeopathy Dictionary, Online Medical Dictionary of Homeopathic Words
This is a religious concept. As such it is unfalsifiable, and can neither be proved nor disproved.

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Potential Energy
Potential energy is energy stored within a physical system as a result of the position or configuration of the different parts of that system. It is called potential energy because it has the potential to be converted into other forms of energy, such as kinetic energy, and to do work in the process...Potential energy is energy that is stored within a system. It exists when there is a force that tends to pull an object back towards some lower energy position. This force is often called a restoring force.
Potential energy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Not relevant for this. We are talking about a purely physical concept.

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Restoring force, in a physics context, is a variable force that gives rise to an equilibrium in a physical system. If the system is perturbed away from the equilibrium, the restoring force will tend to bring the system back toward equilibrium.
Restoring force - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
However, the restoring force is not a universal concept, that is, not every system has a restoring force.

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This is a religious concept. As such it is unfalsifiable, and can neither be proved nor disproved.



Not relevant for this. We are talking about a purely physical concept.



However, the restoring force is not a universal concept, that is, not every system has a restoring force.

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But still it can balance the imbalance on applying activation energy. Here we can consider application of remedies is application of activation energy.
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But still it can balance the imbalance on applying activation energy. Here we can consider application of remedies is application of activation energy.
No. There is no activation energy in remedies. You can't take random concepts and stick them together to support your beliefs.

But, I already told you this years ago.


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No. There is no activation energy in remedies. You can't take random concepts and stick them together to support your beliefs.

But, I already told you this years ago.


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We can keep other understanding ready so that, when science of energetic stimuli or energetic activation energy could be known to us in science, we can present whole theory.

In view of my quotes in OP,whether some restoring force exist which balance or tend to bring things in thier natural/healthful condition on any imbalance in them? Vital forces is related deranged conditions. "Nature balances itself" is also considered. Global thermodynamic equillibrium is also thought on any imbalance.
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We can keep other understanding ready so that, when science of energetic stimuli or energetic activation energy could be known to us in science, we can present whole theory.
We can keep other understanding ready so that, when science of pixies or pixy activation energy could be known to us in science, we can present whole theory.

KV, I have already told you: 'Energetic' is just a placeholder for a dream. The term has no meaning in the real world.

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In view of my quotes in OP,whether some restoring force exist which balance or tend to bring things in thier natural/healthful condition on any imbalance in them?
As usual, you are putting the cart before the horse: Most things in nature are in balance. Why? Because that is where things tend to end up. Throw a handful of coins on the floor: How many end up standing on the edge?

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Vital forces is related deranged conditions. "Nature balances itself" is also considered.
'Vital force' as an entity does not exist.

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Global thermodynamic equillibrium is also thought on any imbalance.
No.

But, go get a book on thermodynamics and read it. You may learn something.

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We can keep other understanding ready so that, when science of pixies or pixy activation energy could be known to us in science, we can present whole theory.

KV, I have already told you: 'Energetic' is just a placeholder for a dream. The term has no meaning in the real world.
Energetic can also be due to energy released from any substance/molecule.



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As usual, you are putting the cart before the horse: Most things in nature are in balance. Why? Because that is where things tend to end up. Throw a handful of coins on the floor: How many end up standing on the edge?
Then, why nature balances itself is said? I feel, most things of modern world are out of balance. Why global warming & other possible disasters are thought?



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'Vital force' as an entity does not exist.
May be but concept can exist, may in other name. I don't know who is doing thermodynamic & other equillibriums.



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No.

But, go get a book on thermodynamics and read it. You may learn something.

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If frame of referance is universe, any variation in temp. & motion, any variation in conversion of energy into matter & vice versa, can vary universal thermodynamic--in short or long term--may it be very minute. Restoring force is called restoring, because it tend to bring things in their normal/natural condition.
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