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About a month ago, we heard from a friend about a Homeopathic Vaccination program. Our daughter, who is currently 13 months old, has never been vaccinated conventionally, nor do we plan to vaccinate her, conventionally. Here in Canada, it's a way lighter dossage over the course of the first years of life, but we are still very suspicious about it, and just don't trust.

SO - I was just wondering if anyone has been doing this HP program with their children, or for themselves for that matter and if any HP Dr. out there knows of a way in which you are able to confirm immunity once the program has been completed.

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Vaccination/immunization is really not compatible with homeopathic doctrine. However, Hahnemann did acknowledge the efficacy of smallpox vaccination although he mainly used it as evidence fot the principle of like cures like. He does not seem to have contemplated the other implications from acknowledging the concept of an infectuous disease and the effect of immunization against it.

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. . . homeopathic vaccination . . . Our daughter . . . 13 months old has never been vaccinated . . . nor do we plan to vaccinate her. . . . we are still very suspicious about it, and just don't trust.

SO - I was just wondering if anyone has been doing this HP program with their children, or for themselves for that matter and if any HP Dr. out there knows of a way in which you are able to confirm immunity once the program has been completed.
That's all hokum, dear. Homeopathic prophylaxis during a plague is not vaccination, and vaccinations are God-damned chemical processes. Homeopathic prophylaxis during a plague arises because those people are doing provings of one of the few drugs needed in that epidemic, so the provers aren't susceptible to that plague while doing that proving. Simple, huh? These are ultramolecular drugs, so whoever is selling that is attempting to sell you total hokum. For-get it, and stay away from those fools and from God-damned vaccines and the fools who mindlessly advocate them.

There is a lot of information here in past discussions about it, but it doesn't sound like you need it since you already know to avoid insanely injecting a gazillion viruses and foreign proteins into your beloved child. That whole thing is a total lie that only sucks in ignorant, servile fools. Read this: Thomas McKeowen, THE ROLE OF MEDICINE (1971). Simply looking at the charts proves it, but he explains with those mortality statistics (from 1900 to 1971) why the great plagues disappeared. Why do you think they went poof in industrialized countries beginning about 1900? It's pretty obvious, but I'm interested if you can figure it out with those clues.

Find some doctor who will write off against vaccinations if you don't already have one. My favorite idiocy from the fools who advocate that abomination is exposed by this maieutic question: If they do what you claim, then your child should be safe no matter what, right? Advocating of so-called "herd immunity" comes from people who should be exiled to Antarctica or up some camel's ass.
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Ah ha - now I remember - Isaac Golden - that's who I was looking into.

There is a clinic here in Vancouver that administers the oral doses - one a month over a year. It claims to provide protection against most of the diseases that we immunize for (Whooping cough, Measles, Mumps, Polio etc.).

I guess my inquiry is two fold: Is there some REAL credibility from the HP community on this program (Isaac's studies are of course, all positive results)? And if so, are there ways in which you can test for immunity once the program has been administered?

I guess it seems that this program is void, if the whole philosophy of HP is not in line with the theory of "being immunized". Which I totally get.

Thanks for your input...

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Dear Ashley
So you read the Nov-2008 Interview I did with Isaac Golden?

My Personal views on this is "you cannot prescribe a homeopathic remedy if there are NO symptoms presented"........................................ ......This is the basis of homeopathic principles.Many classical Homeopaths Do not Use Hom. Prophylaxis.

Media manipulation that manifest "Fear" in parents makes us do irrational things "like thinking we need a vaccine"..............................
Fear stops the non-thinkers (over 98%) from working out how they are being manipulated. It keeps them down, and pointing in the right direction: Allopathy.
"Fear keeps the NON-thinkers in line."
Make out the infectious disease are more infectious than they really are, and more dangerous than they really are, and make out poison diseases are infectious:

Fear: The Master Control Programme

"Vaccination: A business based on fear."-- Dr. G. Buchwald "For the public ever to break command science it must first understand the basis of its enormous powers.......


DO we need vaccines at all, any vaccines, Homeopathic vaccines?
The basis for all is "FEAR" is propaganda from western medicine/magazines/TV/politicians...................they have no interest in your childs wellness,only in the billions of dollars profit they make each year manufac. vaccines.
It comes down to this:

[This is the 'Protection Racket' (1) for the extortion scheme known as Allopathy Inc (that sits upon Vivisection), run by the Medical Mafia. With one hand they create and maintain disease, with the other extort taxpayers money for 'protection' through drugs--only one class of drugs, the antibiotics, has cured any disease. The more fear they can induce then the less thinking and the easier it is to control people into the direction they want: Allopathy. They create fear of infectious disease by suppressing infectious disease cures, hyping their danger (1), using the false Pasteurian disease theory, and making out man made diseases are infectious (AIDS, Polio), while covering up the ineffectiveness of vaccination, and the real reason for their decline, by propaganda. It is also a way to cover up iatrogenic or chemically created disease under a false viral cause.
The degenerative disease racket is kept up in a similar way: suppress the cause and cures, and use largely ineffective, but lucrative, toxic Allopathic medicine that only treats symptoms (palliates) but never cures. Disease is also created by a covert-poisoning scheme, eg fluoridation, vaccine disease, Aluminium, Junk Food etc. see: Human genocide
In the US the racket is controlled by the FDA (Food and Drug Bandit), which protects and controls the market for Allopathy Inc drugs. The CDC (Disease Control Bandit) makes sure everyone is frightened of 'infectious' disease so they can sell vaccines.]
1. First: Control
2. Enforce suitable disease theory.
3. Suppress infectious disease cures.
4. Suppress main factors in infectious disease
5. Suppress real reason for infectious disease decline
6. Maintain fear of disease: Use toxic therapies
7. Hype disease dangers and fear monger
8. Make out poison diseases are infectious
9. Suppress non-Allopathic doctors
10. Suppress the real cause and cures for the degenerative diseases
11. Create disease: Poison the population (junk food, fluoride)
12. Create Iatrogenic disease: Autism, AIDS.



"What Jenner discovered, though hardly original in its general principle, was that it pays far better to scare 100 per cent of the fools in the world—the vast majority—into buying vaccine than it does to treat the small minority who really get smallpox and who cannot afford to pay anything. It was indeed a very great discovery—worth thousands of millions. That is why this kind of blackmail is still kept going."--Dr. Walter R. Hadwen M.D.
1. First: Control


First you have to be in power to control history. And then no one will read the true account of smallpox vaccination: Smallpox books
See: History Book banning Wikipedia
Control the present with a covert medical monopoly: Allopathy Inc and Political monopoly, and Media monopoly
and then the gravy train will run into the future.

"Who controls the past controls the future. Who controls the present controls the past."--George Orwell


2. Enforce suitable disease theory.
To create fear and the market for vaccines you need the false Pasteur disease theory instead of the true Bechamp one (see the comparison) which would eliminate all fear of germs and the market for drugs, and lead people into Nutritional Medicine, that would destroy Allopathy


and make out the cause of degenerative disease is a mystery.

See: Disease Theory
3. Suppress infectious disease cures Suppress or ignore disease cures (and causes). Disease easily cured--end of the fear, and end of vaccination (also many are mostly vaccine induced, like cot-death and Shaken Baby Syndrome.
Smallpox: Homeopathy Naturopathy
Measles Homeopathy Naturopathy Nutritional medicine
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Many classical homeopaths do not use homeopathic prophylaxis.
Dear, as you can see, Gina's an expert, but she didn't say that quite right. That happens, but I can easily protect her from that small mistake. We don't have to in industrialized countries because the plagues don't presently oppress us, but we will when the next inevitable Great Plague hits the Earth.

Those are pandemics off the scale like a Category 6 hurricane, an F6 tornado or a 10(+) earthquake. They sweep the planet and take off one-third to one-half of the population, and they come when they come but tend to arise at least 100 years apart and more often closer to 400 years apart. The last one wasn't the Spanish flu of 1918, which was caused by a vaccine. That was mild. The dreaded Asiatic cholera of 1830-33 was the last one, and our singular cures during it produced the meteoric rise of American and European homeopathy readily read about online in William Harvey King's 1905 five-volume masterpiece of medical history titled HISTORY OF HOMEOPATHY AND ITS INSTITUTIONS IN AMERICA: THEIR FOUNDERS, BENEFACTORS, OFFICERS, HOSPITALS AND ALUMNI, ETC., WITH A RECORD OF ACHIEVEMENT OF ITS REPRESENTATIVES IN THE WORLD OF MEDICINE (link: HISTORY OF HOMOEOPATHY AND ITS INSTITUTIONS IN AMERICA By William Harvey King, M. D., LL. D. Presented by Sylvain Cazalet). Harris Coulter's DIVIDED LEGACY (long subtitle), Vol. III, is also superb and has three mistakes Hahnemannians despise but find understandable among the misguided supporters of high-potency pseudo homeopathy.

It will happen again, and we're very ripe for it right now. The bird flu showed that, and many others before it also did, for allopaths still don't have any cures for viral infections. In fact, the only effective drugs they have are antibiotics, but those are mostly self-limited diseases in industrialized societies, and their intrinsic weakness is very well known by the fact that they can't be used in fragile patients. That's unacceptable to any homeopath, but we don't have to deal with those insoluble problems because we've cured all infectious diseases and are constantly demonstrating that the seemingly endless new chronic diseases and psychiatric maladies that allopaths mindlessly name ad infinitum are also curable but should basically never be permitted to advance to those stages since all evidence indicates that each person has needed the same medicine all of their lives.

We'll use our medicines that way, believe me, for Hahnemannians always have. Her statement is otherwise correct. I hope that's understandable.

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Thanks for sharing your knowledge and perspectives.

I still do think there is some credibility to Golden's theory even though you state that Homeopathy is for treatment, not prevention. (Which I don't agree with, but anyway, I'm no expert here!) Are you able to post that link to the interview you did with him? Thank you!

I'm still, and I believe, always will be, on the fence.

To be honest, in summary, as far as "Fear" goes; I'm much more afraid of putting anything foreign in my daughters body than dealing with the complications and annoyance of a disease. At least we know how to deal with the illnesses and know that we can fight them and know the effects of complications. What we have no clue about are all the long term effects of the chemicals and other very strange things we inject into our already perfect bodies.

Thanks for sparking the discussion!
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I'm still, and I believe, always will be, on the fence.

To be honest, in summary, as far as "Fear" goes; I'm much more afraid of putting anything foreign in my daughters body than dealing with the complications and annoyance of a disease.
And well you should be. Do you know what's in vaccines, how they're made and why they're insanely dangerous?
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At least we know how to deal with the illnesses and know that we can fight them and know the effects of complications. What we have no clue about are all the long term effects of the chemicals and other very strange things we inject into our already perfect bodies.
That latter statement is true, and the whole premise of the notion is insane because -- ready, set, go -- why should we? Restated, why should we have to get doctors to do what they're supposed to do? Allopathic medicine is a nightmare the likes of which the Earth has never seen. 50-100 billion people (billion with a "b") have been murdered by the physicians you so indefensibly just defended, so watch this.

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We know how to fight them and the effects of complications?
Who told you that, Bugs Bunny? Allopathic physicians don't say that, so who else would you have asked for such a false answer? I'm all ears, dear.
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but we will when the next inevitable Great Plague hits the Earth............................................. ...............

Yes that is correct!
Homeopathy has been used when these situations have occured in history with great success.

Ashley has asked about "childhood diseases" and vaccination-
measles,chickenpox,flu,HPV,Hep...................d o not FIT in this "plague epidemic"...............................
Thanks Albert for the correction.
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