Truthfinder, you have the right to disagree with me. I don't mind rather I appreciate you!

This is the beauty of discussion that we also tolerate when we disagree to a point, no problem to me. Just for the sake of more clarification and my idea because I joined this board in 2002 and you in 2007. I have more experience of BB atmosphere then you.

One thing is very much clear and no doubt in all our mind. Wim no doubt absoultly no doubt is a good person and a very good homeopath. His contribtuion on all forums is highly commendable. We are not discussing it.

We are discussing his present step of leaving the forum (psycho behaviour). In that context I presented few facts. The point 8 is correct. Because I know better then you about this forum and its atmospher and history. I move arround in different forums too (with or without registration). I have very clear idea about all prominent members who are discussing whereever they are. Who they are? what is their qualification? where they are staying? what they have done so for? what is their standpoint on different views.

Again what I said is correct (point 10) he has left this forum again www.homeopathy.com.pk/forums I am the board (not a registered member) and I can read his remarks in a post where he informed andre (also member of this board) that he will reply him through email. May be he is leaving ...

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One thing more, he also returns back after few weeks/months on forums in that context I hope he will join this forum again. I also wish he will. I also request him to join the forum again and forget everything done in the past. He is badly needed here, his lovers (members and pets) are waiting for him.

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AH,
I will only say this to you after your long bunch of silliness...

Wim is a gift from God with his caring and intellegence. He helps those in need with no asking of anything either monetarily or in praise.
Without him, my beautiful Malmute would not be here with my husband and I. He has helped her thru more crisis's than is imaginable. Just this morning another setback of sorts for her.....
You see, she was poisoned by the allopathic vets by injection of 6 vaccines at one time. Against our wishes as she was not well when we took her for some xrays.
After the vaccines, she went down behind, suffered thru medicinal versions of rabies, distemper and lyme disease.....
She still is unable to use her hind legs to walk but is otherwise pretty healthy.
Today's problem I am sure is another symptom of the vaccines, even 8 months later those horrid things are still affecting her.

I emailed Wim early today and have been in conversation for 4 hours. He never says no, he can't help. He never tells me to take her to another vet. He never charges me anything for his advice or prescriptions for her.
I buy the remedies myself so he makes nothing.

He has been available 7 days a week for me to ask questions of or to send symptomolgy of Luka to him.
He tried his best to save our cat but because it was pet food related and we didn't know, that worked out not well but it was NOT Wim's fault. The cat was poisoned.

I could not ask for a better friend or homeopath. All other's cast a short shadow of him.
This continued demeaning of his personality and his lifestyle and what he does on bb's is too much.
I would not stay where I was maligned either.

Maybe if the homeopaths or the allopaths in this world had even half the compassion of Wim Pardaan the world would be a healthier place.
Instead their is greed, and animosity towards other collegues and the quest for fame and fortune.
To me that is disgusting and I thank God for Wim Pardaan. He is a gem in a world of mere stones....

Wise Owl, sorry for the new setback but not surprised to learn that Wim is helping you with this, just has he has in the past. He truly is a gem and was an asset to this forum.

Homeopath, I appreciate the civility of your answers.

I’ve really tried to follow the logic here in some of the more “oppositional” posts such as yours (for lack of a more precise term), and I just don’t get it.

As an example, according to this strange logic, it appears that if I get robbed on the way to my car in a public place, then I can only complain and get upset about it if I have never committed any crimes myself. Otherwise, the police will simply say to me, “Well, I’m afraid there isn’t anything we can do for you even though the robber confessed to the crime and we have several witnesses who saw the whole thing. You see, we’ve checked into your background and you were once found guilty of shoplifting and you have 2 outstanding parking tickets; therefore you deserve what you got, so we will just let the robber go free and forget about the whole thing.”

If there are people on this forum that see this example as a logical system of justice, no wonder the world is in the shape it’s in.

Anyone who actually reads through this thread, noting Nick’s and Ann’s posts, will know the facts of this case. These facts are substantiated by those of us who were actively participating on the forum at the time of the upheaval.

That’s why item #8 on your previous list is dead wrong – it states that Wim left when there was no reason to leave. Sorry, Homeopath - it may be your OPINION that there was no reason to leave, but it isn’t a fact. Opinions are best stated as such, so there is no confusion.

As to point #10, good for Wim! I hope Wim goes to whatever board he finds appealing, stays a long as he wants, and enjoys himself for awhile. If and when Wim decides to do something different, then the decision is up to him, just as it is for anyone else.

Interesting solution you’ve suggested here, too, Homeopath. You said, “I also request him to join the forum again and forget everything done in the past.”

Okay, now let me understand this completely: You would like Wim to “forget everything done in the past”, right? But Homeopath, clearly YOU have not forgotten the past. In fact, you have spent time and effort itemizing Wim’s past ‘sins’ and – hard to believe this – referred to it as “psycho behaviour”. Why are there different rules for you than for Wim? Why should Wim do all the forgetting and you do all the remembering?

Did someone mention psycho behavior? You know, I think Luc De Schepper is absolutely right.

Quote:

……"It is daring to look at your shadow side, that dark brother in your unconscious." And don't just look at it, do something about it! From my experience, whenever I teach anywhere only 20% of homeopaths are on a remedy themselves! Is the homeopathic community this healthy?”

[And it case it wasn’t absolutely obvious in Dr. Luc’s statement here, he is referring to mental health, not physical health.]

Unlike you, I don’t hope that Wim will “join the forum again and forget everything done in the past”. If there isn’t going to any more courtesy or communication from the Administrators of this board in the future, then nothing has been resolved. It is just another “accident waiting to happen”. Why entice the same mistakes to be repeated?

It all boils down to some really simple concepts:

Common courtesy.

“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”

Be willing to admit a mistake when you make one, and admit it to the person(s) you have affected.

If you are going to make an agreement with someone, make sure you both know what your responsibilities are and have a system for direct communication in place in the event a problem arises.

If people followed those basic precepts, problems like this wouldn’t happen or if they did, they could be quickly resolved.

Tracy

[quote=Wise Owl;76607]AH,
I will only say this to you after your long bunch of silliness...

AHomeopath: No comments

He helps those in need with no asking of anything either monetarily or in praise.

AHomeopath: Agree

I emailed Wim early today and have been in conversation for 4 hours. He never says no, he can't help. He never tells me to take her to another vet. He never charges me anything for his advice or prescriptions for her.
I buy the remedies myself so he makes nothing.

AHomeopath: His services are commendable

He has been available 7 days a week for me to ask questions of or to send symptomolgy of Luka to him.
He tried his best to save our cat but because it was pet food related and we didn't know, that worked out not well but it was NOT Wim's fault. The cat was poisoned.

AHomeopath: Wim is great!


To me that is disgusting and I thank God for Wim Pardaan. He is a gem in a world of mere stones....

AHomeopath: I respect your opinion.

But let clarify few points. All yu said is true. But this is also true that he has the habit of leaving and joining the forums with and without logics. It is also true that at hpathy he came with william pardan w pardan and pardan wim p and many others and then settled with wim. He left that forum many times and joined many times. He on otherhealth came with many names and left the forum then return back after a period. The reality is he has left the forum again without logic. He will return the forum back (old habit) till then wait.

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[quote=Truthfinder;76609]Homeopath, I appreciate the civility of your answers.

That’s why item #8 on your previous list is dead wrong – it states that Wim left when there was no reason to leave. Sorry, Homeopath - it may be your OPINION that there was no reason to leave, but it isn’t a fact.

AHomeopath: He left the forum when administrator (who is also the owner or appointing authority of wim) deleted some of his posts. What was wrong in it? When you join a team then actually you first accept the authority of your appointing authority. The owner understands better what is good for his forum and what is bad for his forum. Do you think, a moderator who is junior to administrator would be having full command on administrator?

why wim accepted moderatorship? if he disagrees. When a person accept any designation then actually he also accepts the supermacy or legitimacy of that authority who is actually appointing him.

Wim very junior and do not understand how to run a forum? He has no experience of moderatorship of running a huge and regular board like this. He started his own forum with so many sections but discouraged members who got registration there. After few months, no posts were made. Most of the members left the forum and suddenly his own forum got deleted by him or forum adminstration. So wim is a good homeopath Good pet caretaker but not good moderator. Understand this point. These are two different things. I am not against wim but try to teach you a lesson that don't compare wim medical capibility with moderatorship. He is a bad moderator but good homeopath who also ready to help his patients.


At at stage where admin felt that wim posts are not upto the mark or his posts have no weightage or his posts are serving no purpose then they deleted them. If he has left the forum in that reaction then it means he does not know how to settle problems of forum other members. If I would be in his position, I will not react so strongly. To me it would be better to accept the decision of administrator becuase he knows better then me which posts are not standard posts.

Yaa if he was feeling so strong then simply drop a private message to administrator and explain his point of view or reason of putting so many blank posts might be administrator explain to him about his reason of taking action.

The matter can be solved easily but wim was actually showing that he is superior or he is doing some kind of blessing on administator of accepting / doing moderatorship and now he has all the right to run the forum in his own way like the one he run his own pet forum (that has now been deleted completely) and he does not know that when you accept at moderatorship then actually you also accept that administroar decision would be final.

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As to point #10, good for Wim! I hope Wim goes to whatever board he finds appealing, stays a long as he wants, and enjoys himself for awhile. If and when Wim decides to do something different, then the decision is up to him, just as it is for anyone else.

........... No ,,, Again you are wrong. There is a difference between common member and designated authority. A common member can move around and fly over at any board but not moderator who is a designated member of this board and have shown affiliation with this board by accepting an appointment. If he does not accept then he is free to leave the forum at any time.

When you have accept a responsibility like moderatorship then you cannot leave or come back with your own choice. Let me explain a point. A teacher was appointed in a school. he taught the school boys whole year, at the end of academic year he got an offer which was better then his old job and resigned from his post. The principal of the school called the school techer and said, it is unetheical to leave the school at crucial time when your students are going to appear in exam and they need more assistance from you then before. The school teacher said, I have very good offer and I am leaving. What do you think? Does he has the right to leave the school when the whole academic year of school boys were on risk of getting fail in the exam without teacher assistance and at that time no new teacher is available or no body was taking responsibility of school boys education.

Wim accepted moderatorship so he musts discuss with administrator before leaving the forum like the one when he accepted moderatorship and exchanged mails and terms and conditons were agreed and accepted.

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AH,
I have been a member of a forum on the net for 9 years now. I was a moderator of that same forum for 2 of those years. I was a mod when it was first starting up and helped to build it.
That forum has over 20 different sub forums. And those sub forums have smaller forums off them.

This forum is tiny compared to what I used to moderate on. And I was a mod for over 15 different forums....I covered them all, worked a full time job, took care of my house and my husband.

What happened here was a disgrace. It had nothing to do with your so called empty posts. Those posts were not empty, but were a pathway to much imformation that Wim himself had left for others to learn from.

Your long winded support for this forum's administration while admirable in your loyalty is rediculous at best.

And you don't have a clue what really happened to Wim's own forum that he ran.....NOT A CLUE....

So take your opinions to someone else who really cares as those of us who are now missing our Wim certainly don't. You are nothing much but blah blah blah...

AH, after reading your response, I can only say this:

1. If I am ever on trial for murder, I would not want you on the jury;

2. If you were the administrator of a forum, I would not want to be one of the moderators there.

I’m not trying to make this personal to just you; I would say this to anyone who has the same way of thinking. I guess I’m saying “there is a better way”.

Wise Owl has considerable experience moderating, and she does not share your views either.

It isn’t about a person’s “right” to do something. Because, as I’m sure you know, “with every right comes a responsibility” not to abuse it.

Again, the basic principles I mentioned in my previous post are pretty fundamental, and they apply to Administrators all the way down the chain of authority. If those principles are not important to you or those you work with, then I repeat items #1 and #2, above.

Sincerely,

Tracy

The Adminstrators/Owners of this board made a decision.
They do not have to seek my approval or any other Moderator's approval for any decisions they make.

I have not had ever any trouble with the Administrators.
They have always been very supportive and helpful.

Admin has stated their position and left the door open.
Apparently, this was not enough for Wim.

I'm sure if Wim had communicated with them, they could have mutually come up a solution. Wim has not contacted them to my knowledge.
And, from my communication with Wim, it's apparent he feels it's up to Admin to contact him!

It's a pity, but there you have it.

End of story. There is nothing more to it. Nothing sinister. Nothing behind the scenes as was suggested early on.


I will add that if a moderator is upset by an Admin decision (on any board), they should contact the Administrators privately and discuss the matter with them. It's not up to Admin to seek our (moderator's) approval!

I tried to intervene and help bridge the misunderstanding and help get Wim back on board. He's not interested. Full stop. Nothing more to say. I, along with Admin wish him the best.

Carry on discussing the topic if you wish, but it's kinda beating a dead horse now, in my opinion.

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