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Old 1st January 2007, 10:45 PM
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Hello: I'm glad I finally am on here. I think William is here also? (hi!)
I have had much success with homeopathy in the past (and the latest help came from Wim on a forum).

I now have a 6 yr. old doe (goat) that had a severe case of pink eye about 3 1/2 months or 4 months ago. At that time, she had to have very strong antibiotics. She appears well now and is pregnant but I keep thinking that unless I do something, she may have trouble in the future.

I have given her two doses of Nux Vomica 30 c. over the course of about 6 weeks.

Thanks and I hope you are out there William (:
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Hello Carlene,

Yes....I`m here...helping Jonh and Lisa a little because it got a little quiet here. I hope the goat with the hoof rot I treated for you the other day is still doing well.

As for your doe, I`d suggest to make this Nigerian lady goat a bit stronger in order to make her cope properly with her pregnancy.I`ll give you a specific clinical prescription to maintain a healthy pregnancy in her.

If she`s in the early stages of pregnancy i.e. up to 4-6 weeks approx. give Viburnum Opulis 30c (or 30k), 3 times a week for 4 weeks.

But if she`s already in the later stages give Caulophyllum 30c (or 30k), 3 times per week, but only for the last 4 weeks (!) of the pregnancy.

Also give Arnica 30c, 3 times daily for 2-3 days (2 days is usually sufficient) at the time of kidding and also post-partum.

Occasionally the kidding is severe and prolonged in which case you should give Bellis perennis 30c (or 30k), 3 times daily for 2 days to support the action of the Arnica.

Viburnum Opulis helps to eliminate the tendency to early miscarriage of a non-specific nature and Caulophyllum will help ensure a trouble-free parturition and will also tone up the uterus generally. It will also help to expel lochia and placenta more easily.

It`s important (esp. for you keeping many goats) to keep Viburnum Op. and Caulophyllum in mind for does because these 2 remedies are always very important to consider for the maintenance of a healthy pregnancy.

If any other problems should arise during the pregnancy it`s often possible to treat them homeopathically as well. If necessary, ask additional advice here....I`ll try to stay on here for a while.

Good luck with the treatment ! ... Wim
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Carlene......have you been able to get the proper remedies....Wim.
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Hello Wim
I am so sorry, I thought that this forum would alert me when I had a reply/message but it did not happen. I just got to thinking and decided to check up on if you were around. Yes the goat (buck) that you helped me with who had the foot rot is doing very very well and I am most grateful. I think if I were a little younger I would work/study more homeopathy (I personally have a classical homeopath for myself and have worked heavily with it with Dr. Richard Pitcairn's office and others when I was breeding German Shepherds). I only wish that I knew some of this when I was a professional horse woman
So I want to thank you for the suggestions for my 6 yr. old doe. She is actually 3 months pregnant. Does that help in your recommendations? Should I start anything now? I DO NOT VACCINATE other than maybe bo-se.
I am so very grateful. I will be ordering the remedy that starts with a V (I'll look right after I send this blessings
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Old 4th January 2007, 05:35 AM
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Hi again Wim

I need to know if Verbena Officinali is the same as the Viburnum Opulis you recommended.

please let me know.
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Old 4th January 2007, 08:21 AM
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Hi Carlene, Verbena Hastata (Ironweed) is a completely different remedy, so don`t give it !
You don`t need the Viburnum Opulus (High Cranberry) for this goat either, but most likely for other goats in the future, since you have many goats.
Since this goat has already been pregnant for 3 months the only remedy you`ll need to give is the Caulophyllum 30c, 3 times a week, but only for the last 4 weeks of the pregnancy !!!
Since the length of pregnancy is 144-150 days you should start giving the Caulophyllum not until she has been pregnant for approx. 122 days...say four months approx. So wait another month and then start the Caulophyllum as prescribed. (Don`t give any other remedies now or in the meantime without my advice.)

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Hi Carlene, Verbena Hastata (Ironweed) is a completely different remedy, so don`t give it !
You don`t need the Viburnum Opulus (High Cranberry) for this goat either, but most likely for other goats in the future, since you have many goats.
Since this goat has already been pregnant for 3 months the only remedy you`ll need to give is the Caulophyllum 30c, 3 times a week, but only for the last 4 weeks of the pregnancy !!!
Since the length of pregnancy is 144-150 days you should start giving the Caulophyllum not until she has been pregnant for approx. 122 days...say four months approx. So wait another month and then start the Caulophyllum as prescribed. (Don`t give any other remedies now or in the meantime without my advice.)

Good luck, Wim
Thank you again and again!!!!!!!!!!!! I will order the Viburnum Opulus for my others. I have a 2nd freshener whose sort of off feed symptoms are relieved by Vitamin C (about 1gm) and probiotics. Would you give her the Viburnum Opulus seeing it may be an acidic condition?
You have helped me so very much. I would love to find a way to do this regularly. So if you get busy and might disappear on me, (: would you be interested in letting me know where you are ?
How can I thank you?
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Hi Carlene,

If the vit. C and the probiotics do the trick, just continue giving it to this goat and homeopathic remedies won`t probably be necessary. People can`t synthesize (make) vit. C, but goats normally make about 1600 mg of vit. C daily. This goat , however, may have some problem to make sufficient vit. C and needs a supplement.
I`ll be working on this forum for a longer period, because I`ll soon be moderating this vet. forum. (Perhaps starting tomorrow after some technical changes have been made)..... So you see....some goats have all the luck....haha !

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Carlene....as for possible acidosis....this is a condition which is brought on by stasis of the contents of the rumen, consequent on overfeeding especially of concentrates. The fermentation associated with this takes the form of a build up of acid products. Goats which are on a high concentrate diet are less likely to succumb inasmuch as the rumen has adapted to this state of affairs. The goats which are more at risk are those which are already feeding on less productive feed.

But if a goat is suffering from acidosis then you see an enlargement of the rumenal area and you can also feel that the contents are doughy in character. Other clear presenting symptoms you see are erratic movements such as staggering and shaking of the head and pain and distress are obvious. In extreme cases we sometimes see recumbency when prognosis must be guarded. Also looseness of bowels is sometimes present, but this gives little or no relieve, i.e. it does little to relieve the condition.

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Hi Wim
I was surprised to see your reply, for some reason, i don't get alerted when you post one. But thanks.

Here are the symptoms for the younger goat who had the C-section. First of all, when she had the C-section, it was touch and go for her. She was very sick. They used antibiotics AND STERIODS and i nursed her through it.

Her symptoms tell me she is not right. Here they are

#1. She wants no grain
#2. She is craving the minerals I use and also the probiotics
#3. Her sides are hard especially the right side (I think)
#4 She eats plenty of hay
#5. She seems hunched up a lot and that is that she appears cold
#6. One time I took her temp and it was nearing 105
#7. Another time I took her temp and it was sub normal

Do these help?
thanks so much
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