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Old 28th August 2003, 08:00 PM
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3 month old kitten appears healthy in every way accept that she seems to have suffered some damage to her hind end. Her front half is strong and normal but from the waist down she has very little motor control. When she stands, she trembles (up & down) like she has Parkinson's Disease. She is active and plays very vigerously but very often will attack (jump up) when playing with another cat, using mostly her upper body, she will very often "drag" around the back half. Her urination and stool appear fine, although sometimes I have noticed her anus protruding and a little red (she always goes in the litterbox). Her appetite, activity etc is great. Her top 1/2 is well toned, but her bottom 1/2 is not very muscular (particularily her legs). Any ideas how to rep this?
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Old 29th August 2003, 12:40 AM
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Hi Krista,

Wondered where you were. Thought you had 100% healthy animals......and was green with envy!

Afraid the below search not too helpful.

weak or tremble within three words of legs in the same remedy as anus red or prolapsed or protrude (52) : Aesc., Erio., sol-t-ae., sulph., all-c., aloe, alumn., anan., arn., ars., aur., bell., calc-s., canth., cham., chin-s., cinnb., colch., croto-t., dios., dulc., ery-a., ferr-p., fl-ac., gels., gran., graph., ham., hydr., ind., indg., iris, lach., lyc., merc., merc-c., mez., mur-ac., nat-m., petr., phys., plb., rhus-t., ruta, sars., sep., sumb., tab., thuj., trom., valer., zinc.

body trembles within three words of standing (1) : olnd.

Are hind feet warm/responsive? Do you feel she has spinal/nerve damage? Hypericum? Does she react to pressure down her spine? Is hind quarter less *toned* than front end?

Do you think she has pelvic damage/fracture? Arn, Symph, Rhus t, Ruta, Sil?


Any background for the baby (orphaned, feral rescue)? With wildlife in similar condition, I'd probably first try Calc Phos 6X (or 12C) in potency, not cell salt. If you don't have it in potency, I don't think the cell salt will hurt until someone who knows something replies.
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HI Kkrista,
IT possible that she's had some pain/trauma in the recent past to the spine (you may need to check the level correspinding to the LL ennervation), resulting in disuse atrophy of the hind legs and so she's all wobbly now.
IF she had some sort of Physiotherapy to the lower limbs she may be able to function better, and arnica could also help with that.
Hypericaum is also a good suggestion.

If she's so active she's possibly not really in pain, so its difficult to imagine something more serious than that - like upper motor neurone disease, sclerosis, local space occupying leasion, etc. Which would then indicate a good similimum required covering all ths symptoms and proper monitoring.
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DOn't know if this approach is helpful, but here are some possible rubrics (see subrubrics as well):

EXTREMITIES; EMACIATION; Lower Limbs (K985, G824): abrot., am-m., apis, arg., arg-n., ars., bac., bar-c., berb., calc., carb-v., chin., dulc., lath., nat-m., nit-ac., nux-v., ol-j., ph-ac., pin-s., plb., rhus-t., sanic., sel., thal., zinc-ar.


EXTREMITIES; TOTTERING (K1210, G1000) (Weakness; walking) (Unsteadiness; Lower limbs; walking) (Walking; infirm) (Awkwardness; lower limbs): aesc., agar., Alum., am-m., am-p., ambr., anac., apis, Arg., arg-n., ars., Aur., Bar-c., bry., bufo, calc., camph., canth., carb-ac., carb-an., carb-v., carbn-s., Caust., chin., cic., Cocc., Con., fl-ac., gels., glon., hell., hyos., ign., iod., lath., mag-p., merc., mur-ac., nat-c., nat-m., Nux-v., op., ox-ac., ozone, ph-ac., Phos., Pic-ac., Plb., ran-b., rhod., Rhus-t., sars., sec., sil., stram., stry., sulph., tarent., teucr., verat., verb., zinc.

EXTREMITIES; UNSTEADINESS; Lower Limbs (K1222, G1009) (Awkwardness; lower limbs; stumbling when walking) (Lameness) (Tottering) (Walking; infirm) (Weakness; walking): acon., agar., am-p., ambr., amyg-am., ant-t., arg-n., aster., bamb-a., bar-c., bry., carb-ac., caust., cocc., con., hydrog., kali-br., kali-cy., lil-t., lol., lycps., mit., nat-c., nux-v., ozone, phos., rhod., sec., stann., stram., sulph., tab., tarent-c., verb.


EXTREMITIES; INCOORDINATION; Lower Limbs (K1018, G849) (Motions; Lower Limbs; difficult): absin., alum., bell., bufo, chlol., crot-c., med., nux-m., onos., phos., plb., sil., sulph.

EXTREMITIES; AWKWARDNESS; Lower Limbs; stumbling when walking (K953, G800): Agar., alum., ambr., anac., androc., arg-n., aster., aur-s., bac., bar-c., bell., both-a., botul., calc., caps., Caust., cocc., colch., con., gels., hyos., Ign., iod., Ip., kali-br., kali-c., kali-p., lach., lact., lil-t., mag-c., mag-p., med., mygal., nat-c., nat-m., nat-sil., nux-v., op., ph-ac., phos., phys., ruta, sabad., sec., sep., sil., stann., teucr., tub., verat., visc., zinc.

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PS: Lathyrus is a good choice for such a condition. Emaciation of muscle groups due to nerve/neuronal damage.

Possibility of Polio (could that happen in an animal?)
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Old 30th August 2003, 09:47 PM
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at a guess, hypericum.
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Old 2nd September 2003, 07:18 PM
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Thanks for the replies! GPM I WISH I didn't have any new cases all this time, I've been trying to manage on my own.

I had a remarkable recovery of a super ulcerated cat (mouth ulcers covering her palate, tongue, nose, gums & lips) with merc.

I screwed up on another though, gave her sil 200; turns out she was pregnant and proceeded to miscarry 8 fetus', she also came down with an UR infection. Perhaps her pregnancy was a problem to her overall complaints -would sil do that do you think? At any rate, too many cats in the world already (she had just had a litter) and she made a speedy recovery after she miscarried.

As for poor little "Weeble" she was kind of put on the back burner as her condition is not at all life threatening, or painful to her.
I do think there is neurological involvement. If it was from a viral infection her mother passed on to her while still in the womb, its kind of like brain damage. She really is quite a happy little kitten, she eats well, has a good disposition. She jumps onto and from furniture (although has little control about how far and fast she is leaping, so she often overshoots the mark -which generally is only a problem on the way down). She is also aware of her limitations in that she stays clear of stairs.
I'm not sure how to describe the movement other than "shaking" in a slow way and its up/down motion (looks like she is humping everything in sight). I don't believe its progressive or will get any worse and I encourage her to play and hopefully build up some muscle.

Thanks for the list Dr.L, I'll look again, I'm just not satisfied that there isn't a better description for her motion, but I guess I have to start somewhere. I need to think about other symptoms too, but there is nothing very obvious about her than the wobbling.
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Old 5th September 2003, 05:15 PM
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Anna, Why Hypericum? Did a little research yesterday (not much as I am otherwise engaged with more serious cases). I read through Allen's desription which made on going references to "pain". Did not go through other MM yet, hope to tackle this weekend. Any suggestions would be helpful.
Dr. L haven't gone through the rubrics you suggested yet, but thanks for listing.
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Old 5th September 2003, 08:22 PM
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i just remembered a bit of luck i had with a dog that had atrophy of hind quarters of an increasing nature for several years after surgery. hypericum brought it back to normal function.

you mentioned that the panleuk. occurs in autumn.

might be worth looking therefore amongst the autunmal remedies. in boenn these are
aur3 bry2 chin4 colch3 merc3 nuxv2 rhus5 stram2 verat4
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Old 8th September 2003, 02:12 PM
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Thanks Anna, any spring remedies? Panleuk basically occurs in the spring & fall; by her age she would have been exposed in the spring. She has come down with a calici virus at the moment so she is conjested (and therefore needs to be forcefed) and lathargic. Treating her supportively at the moment.
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