My sweet older dog (10-12)has been diagnosed with lymphoma. The vet. wants to do chemo. I don't think she's strong enough to take that. Current symptoms include: intermittent lethargy, occasionally acting well for brief periods; running eyes, yellowish goop;increased panting; decreased eating; increased drinking. Please help. thanks.

[ 28. April 2003, 02:35: Message edited by: karenss ]

PLEASE HELP.

- still working on this one -

Kindly read the following threads with posts pertaining to your case:

ww.homeopathyhome.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=000558

ww.homeopathyhome.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=5;t=ooo563

ww.homeopathyhome.com/cgi-bin/bb/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=007072

- and here in the vet section in an earlier thread "pigeon pox" I have given the link to an experienced chap who does sound online vet treatment ( in my post No.9 there ).
Though I frankly say that I am not so convinced of his approach to cancer treatment ( as opposed to what he does in other cases ); meaning that I estimate one can have success with his method, but it is not what I would choose as a strategy, and I do not think it is the optimum approach.
Nevertheless I mention him because he might be an option.

I have also written bits of information on human ca treatment in a number of other posts, which may be useful if one wants to understand the whole matter. These you could find via a board search for keyword or member number ( as it appears in everyone's post).

Sorry, while trying to continue working on my first post above by "editing", the system played me tricks, repeatedly.
I hope that is only a temporary HHBB hickups ailment, so that I can continue later on...

Very sorry your dog is not well. I know how frightening it is to hear "cancer". I have two cancer cats at present. One, Julio, began showing signs around November 2002. He has been on Dr. Ramakrishnan's protocol for 13 weeks. Julio was never a strong, healthy type kitty so this dosage method scared me considerably. However, after all these doses (!) he is today, probably feeling better than he has since a youngster.

The other case, a bleeding, ulcerated tumor has been treated with one dose and wait but with less success. I am sure this is due to remedy and potency choice, that better homeopathic prescribing would probably have yielded better results.

Dr. Pitcairn suggested (at a cancer workshop held March 1990, in Guadalupe, Tx....you may still be able to buy the tape) to treat with single, high doses, as symptoms present. He said that "often, a lack of response is that the potency is too low. A 10M potency is a good average level to start with. In many advanced cases, there is very little vitality left with which to work. Low vitality = reduced response." He said that dosing would be more frequent than in a non-cancer case. This was 13 years ago, so opinion may be different now. The second cat mentioned received one dose in 200C and it knocked him for a loop, so not sure about all that!

Nutrition and supplements are primary concerns. You already know all that, I'm sure.

If this were my dog, while I was trying to find the right homeopathic course to follow, I'd immediately put him on a Zapper (daily) and begin the Hulda Clark pet parasite program. You might want to look at her book, A Cure for All Cancers. This is something that would then be (in my opinion) followed with good homeopathic treatment.

Wishing you and your friend the best of luck.

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I am sorry again: The board system still does not work. So I am unaible to edit my first post begun above ( until ... ? ).

My idea was to sort of recycle what was written before and what I would not have the time to repeat now.
If you want to try the links, you can type them in by hand and start with "www..."

__On dosing__

There are different ways here, used by different homoeopaths.

What seems clear to me is that you can have success in Ca treatment with different strategies, including ( but not limited to ) potency choice and dosing regime.

"Conventional",
more frequent low ( decimal ),
high or very high,
Q potencies exactly as detailed by Hahnemann
( "LM" is the same, i.e. a widespread, but incorrect term for the potencies in 1:50 000 steps / incorrect because it supposes to be a Roman number, but these do not work like that, so it is none, just an error perpetuated by tradition - but anyway, that is not our topic here ),

Dr Ramakrishnan's speciality,
i.e. the protocol which he developed, which to me seems to be a cross, sort of, between Hahnemann's idea of liquid Qs, though using the usual C potencies that Dr R. was probably familiar with when starting to experiment, and the attempt to develop something more "aggressive", with more power than conventional dosing, for the special case that he recognized Ca diseases to be ( after failing to treat them with "ordinary" methods ).

It is difficult to judge "which is best". You have to take into account the types of cases treated, that no-one case and person and disease state is exactly like the other, possible trade-offs between remedy power and danger to aggravate, easy to handle ( dry ) vs. easy to correct ( liquid split dose ) etc. etc.

GPM, apart from remedy choice, your varying success may also be due to type and stage ( degree of advancedness ) of the ca, plus general vitality of the patient. It is difficult to make direct comparisons and attribute differences to just one or two factors, I think.

Yes, I read convincing cases with very high potencies, as you mention.

I also read a journal case with very grave aggravations
( i.e. energy absorbing, which makes it dangerous in a patient who does not have much left, and a lethal disease to keep at bay )
after a single dry C 30 potency of a remedy that semed to fit very well to the mental state
( but to my opinion not to the ca pathology, so it later helped much with the patients spirits, but wasted time needed for fighting the ca process ).
That led the doctor to choose a Q 1 for repetition instead.

Using mainly Qs is what the doctors do whom I read and learned from.
Obviously everyone is tending to be prejudiced by what one learned ( first ). So that would be my "tending" here.

What would give me headaches with Dr Rama's method is that he claims he never ever observed aggravations with it, and I prefer to doubt that.
Plus the hospital doctors I mentioned gave it a try for a while, but were not convinced and returned to Hahnemannian Qs again
( while holding other aspects of his book in esteem, because they evaluated all literature on the subject, old and modern, that they could find, and therefore also profited from his experience, which nobody doubts is large ).

So there you are.

Anyway I guess we agree that finding the right remedy is the most important thing.

Addendum:

And I have to make clear that I never even read a full malignant ca case treated successfully with homoeopathy alone in ANIMALS ( all were human cases instead ).

There may or may not be considerable differences between species. I would not be sure about that.

Karen,

sorry for seemingly diverting from your specific case into highly technical matters of treatment.

It just happens that fields of interest meet here:
I studied homoeopathic Ca treatment matters in some detail, more for interest in the Homoeopathic Concept of Chronic Diseases in general, and with a good deal of literature.
GPM is more from the practical side, caring for a lot of farm animals, pets, rescues, wild creatures to-be-rehabilitated; and as she mentioned she stepped into the matter out of practical necessity, when faced herself with such cases, and apparently no-one reliable close by to treat them.
That is the background to this exchange.

Back to your case:

Yes, cancer cases can be successfully treated by Homoeopathy, alone or with other Natural complementary treatments; with allopathic cancerostatic drugs ( which give better statistics, when combined, esp. in advanced cases ), or without.

It is a very difficult and tricky matter.

I would try to find a very good homoeo-vet who has some experience in ca treatment matters, if such one is available anywhere in driving distance; ort even online. I recently corresponded with a Lady whose dog was succesfully treated for a ( though benign ) tumour from 100es of kilometers away: and it worked.

I would check, in addition to the links I started/tried to provide above, the list of vets trained by Dr. Pitcairn at his site

www.drpitcairn.com

All the best to both of you and
Kind Regards,
Panthera

Panthera makes much good sense. I would like to add that the first cat, Julio, was started on the Ramakrishnan protocol when he was in very bad physical condition which would make one think his vital force was very low. If one can believe such things, I had his hair sample scanned with an energy machine that indicated otherwise, that he did still have quite a lot of vitality even though so outwardly ill.

I considered using LM/Q potency for him, following the protocol as I have heard others have done this with good results. Decided to give it a go with the 200C with the intention of stopping if he seemed to agg. I did change the organ specific once during the course so far. And once used an intercurrent but only one dose not the split as Dr. R suggests. He never appeared to particularly aggravate to the remedy in use but certainly had his ups and downs along the route. But the overall trend was continued improvement. He is taking a couple of days sabbatical from the schedule at the moment (not suggested by Dr. R) and will be zapped daily during this short break. If he holds, I think I'll give the parasite treatment then probably put him back on the protocol. Most cases seem to be on the protocol quite a long time. ( I have not had benefit of a qualified consultant for his case, so my experience should definitely be held suspect.)

Karenss, Dr. R's method is a time consuming treatment involving 10 doses per day, one every 15 minutes. I looked for your dog's particular condition in the book but only Hodgkin's Lymphoma is listed. He states (with this condition) a 77% success rate since beginning the plussing protocol in 1993, however I don't quite know how to interpret his numbers because he divides the cases between "viable" and then takes the success rate from that number........?

I don't know where you live but the "best" (known) homeopathic vets in the US are mostly only available for phone consults, not in- person visits. The times I have taken an animal to "see" a "homeopathic" vet, the actual physical exams were next to non-existent. It always seemed pointless to have put the animal through the rigors of the trip. Those who do phone consults have clients around the world. Frankly, I think a good "human" homeopath would be a better approach than all but a very few vet homeopaths.

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