I see this too often in elders - due to some physical injury they are in
extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds which do not
really help the pain, but create a situation where they are not lucid enough
to bother their care givers - so everyone (but the recipient) seems happy to
keep pushing those pain meds. I just received a call from a woman now
facing this situation whom I worked with many years ago. She had old
fractured vertebrae which cause great pain where weather is a significant
trigger. Years ago I gave her rhus tox 12x to be used as only needed and
she did very well (this was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a
constitutional remedy selected after appropriate case taking). Now she has
had another injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her
relief. Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then nothing. Her
former 'constitutional' remedy has not given any pain relief and I doubt
appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the hospital they
really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling pressure to accept that
pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the dull mental capacity and
limited mobility) that they offer. She would prefer to use homeopathy.
Until now, she had great success in pain management with homeopathy - and I
don't know if the current exaggerated pain is due to post injury
inflammation and/or altered pain threshold due to hospital mistreatment and
drugs, or if this represents a new level of pain for her. I will be taking
the case again next week.



Given that the maintaining cause is a set of physical injuries that continue
to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently not an option), has
anyone used homeopathy for long term pain management in such a case?



Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.



Donna





D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM

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No real answers Donna,
I am working with an elderly man with post-herpetic
neuralgia. Similar situation to the woman you mention. I
would love to be kept "in the loop" on any responses.

The pressure to accept what the doctor offers is strong and
yet, you are so right ... the meds really have not helped.
This man was brave and took himself off all the Oxycontin,
etc. Although he is still in pain, it is tolearble for now
and generally he feels so much better.

Sherill


> I see this too often in elders - due to some physical
injury they are in
> extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain
meds which do not
> really help the pain, but create a situation
<snip>

Dear DCR
Pain needs to be addressed via a full chronic casetaking,not just from the point of palliation.
Yes it is possible,the best example was my own mother,she had for 20+ yrs crippling chronic RA-in severe pain 24-7.............................Allopathic meds did nothing for the pain or the RA.She was like a living corpse,difficult to watch,so much suffering. NOt anymore after homeopathy(stoped ALL allopathic meds)

Constitutional miasmatic prescribing will do the trick-my mother has been free of all pain-no more RA factor,no meds,not one pill.Once the proper remedies are prescribed for her deep layers of imbalance,a cure can be seen.She has her life back! No palliation needed..................................... Homeopaths must remember not to prescribe in an allopathic manner for best results.

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Have you tried Symphytum?
V.T.Yekkirala.> From: drona (AT) earthlink (DOT) net> To: minutus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com; homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com> Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 10:38:23 -0400> CC: > Subject: [H] Pain management question> > I see this too often in elders - due to some physical injury they are in> extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds which do not> really help the pain, but create a situation where they are not lucid enough> to bother their care givers - so everyone (but the recipient) seems happy to> keep pushing those pain meds. I just received a call from a woman now> facing this situation whom I worked with many years ago. She had old> fractured vertebrae which cause great pain where weather is a significant> trigger. Years ago I gave her rhus tox 12x to be used as only needed and> she did very well (this was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a> constitutional remedy selected after appropriate case taking). Now she has> had another injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her> relief. Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then nothing. Her> former 'constitutional' remedy has not given any pain relief and I doubt> appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the hospital they> really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling pressure to accept that> pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the dull mental capacity and> limited mobility) that they offer. She would prefer to use homeopathy.> Until now, she had great success in pain management with homeopathy - and I> don't know if the current exaggerated pain is due to post injury> inflammation and/or altered pain threshold due to hospital mistreatment and> drugs, or if this represents a new level of pain for her. I will be taking> the case again next week.> > > > Given that the maintaining cause is a set of physical injuries that continue> to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently not an option), has> anyone used homeopathy for long term pain management in such a case? > > > > Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.> > > > Donna> > > > > > D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM> > Just published - "Stress Repertory: Signs and Symptoms of Stress Induced> Nutrient Depletion"> > http://stores.lulu.com/drrona> > Now available at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com > > > >

Sounds like the case is becoming more and more a one sided case.
Would tend to forget about constitutional pictures and just look at
giving a remedy which covers the pain symptoms. If you can find a
mental which fits with your physical choice of remedy, so much the
better. My favourite remedies for this kind of situation include
coloc , agar etc. You may have to accept that other things are going
on and that homeopathy just wont do it any longer. It is important
however that the pain is managed, as a doctor friend of mine
commented once, there are only two things that kill people, pain and
lack of air. Hope this help, J
On 25/06/2008, at 2:38 AM, DCR wrote:

> I see this too often in elders - due to some physical injury they
> are in
> extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds which
> do not
> really help the pain, but create a situation where they are not
> lucid enough
> to bother their care givers - so everyone (but the recipient) seems
> happy to
> keep pushing those pain meds. I just received a call from a woman now
> facing this situation whom I worked with many years ago. She had old
> fractured vertebrae which cause great pain where weather is a
> significant
> trigger. Years ago I gave her rhus tox 12x to be used as only
> needed and
> she did very well (this was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a
> constitutional remedy selected after appropriate case taking). Now
> she has
> had another injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her
> relief. Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then
> nothing. Her
> former 'constitutional' remedy has not given any pain relief and I
> doubt
> appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the
> hospital they
> really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling pressure to accept
> that
> pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the dull mental capacity
> and
> limited mobility) that they offer. She would prefer to use
> homeopathy.
> Until now, she had great success in pain management with homeopathy
> - and I
> don't know if the current exaggerated pain is due to post injury
> inflammation and/or altered pain threshold due to hospital
> mistreatment and
> drugs, or if this represents a new level of pain for her. I will
> be taking
> the case again next week.
>
>
>
> Given that the maintaining cause is a set of physical injuries that
> continue
> to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently not an
> option), has
> anyone used homeopathy for long term pain management in such a case?
>
>
>
> Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.
>
>
>
> Donna
>
>
>
>
>
> D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
>
> Just published - "Stress Repertory: Signs and Symptoms of Stress
> Induced
> Nutrient Depletion"
>
> http://stores.lulu.com/drrona
>
> Now available at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com
>
>
>
>

The way I read it this latest state seems like a NWS (never well
since) Syndrome. Something happened (trauma) -and after that.

I should find out about the trauma and

focus on the remedies good for this kind of traume

and/ or

focus on the symptoms right after the trauma (before pain killer etc.
kicked and perhaps perverted them

and/or

consider that rpobably there is or has been inflammation.

In the latter case I should think about

remedies specific for inflammation

or, if there (no longer are any signs of it (e. g. blood segmentation
rate)

consider that the inflammation may have caused adhesions. There is an
article on my site www.bar-do.net by Dr. Suriya Osman which includes
discussion of adhesions in cases of endometrioses. While the cause
there is different, I should think that adhesions are adhesions.

Regards

Luise



On Wed, 25 Jun 2008, John Summerville wrote:

> Sounds like the case is becoming more and more a one sided case. Would tend
> to forget about constitutional pictures and just look at giving a remedy
> which covers the pain symptoms. If you can find a mental which fits with your
> physical choice of remedy, so much the better. My favourite remedies for this
> kind of situation include coloc , agar etc. You may have to accept that other
> things are going on and that homeopathy just wont do it any longer. It is
> important however that the pain is managed, as a doctor friend of mine
> commented once, there are only two things that kill people, pain and lack of
> air. Hope this help, J
> On 25/06/2008, at 2:38 AM, DCR wrote:
>
>> I see this too often in elders - due to some physical injury they are in
>> extreme pain - and their doctors put them on heavy pain meds which do not
>> really help the pain, but create a situation where they are not lucid
>> enough
>> to bother their care givers - so everyone (but the recipient) seems happy
>> to
>> keep pushing those pain meds. I just received a call from a woman now
>> facing this situation whom I worked with many years ago. She had old
>> fractured vertebrae which cause great pain where weather is a significant
>> trigger. Years ago I gave her rhus tox 12x to be used as only needed and
>> she did very well (this was in addition to nutrition, exercise, and a
>> constitutional remedy selected after appropriate case taking). Now she has
>> had another injury and none of the usual acute remedies are giving her
>> relief. Arnica gave some relief for the first few days, then nothing. Her
>> former 'constitutional' remedy has not given any pain relief and I doubt
>> appropriately covers the current picture. When she was in the hospital
>> they
>> really pushed the pain meds. She is now feeling pressure to accept that
>> pain management means pharmaceuticals (and the dull mental capacity and
>> limited mobility) that they offer. She would prefer to use homeopathy.
>> Until now, she had great success in pain management with homeopathy - and I
>> don't know if the current exaggerated pain is due to post injury
>> inflammation and/or altered pain threshold due to hospital mistreatment and
>> drugs, or if this represents a new level of pain for her. I will be taking
>> the case again next week.
>>
>>
>>
>> Given that the maintaining cause is a set of physical injuries that
>> continue
>> to exert pressure on the nerves (surgery is apparently not an option), has
>> anyone used homeopathy for long term pain management in such a case?
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you in advance for sharing your experience.
>>
>>
>>
>> Donna
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
>>
>> Just published - "Stress Repertory: Signs and Symptoms of Stress Induced
>> Nutrient Depletion"
>>
>> http://stores.lulu.com/drrona
>>
>> Now available at amazon.com and barnesandnoble.com
>>
>>
>>
>>