Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate of homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS, M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and homeopathic knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy can not cure genetically predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast cancer, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.?

Only the non-medically trained, non-compassionate classical homeopath would tell patients to go off allopathic drugs that save lives while falsely attempting to cure conditions that ARE NOT CURABLE!

Enough with the classical homeopathic "magic tricks".

"We also need to remember that certain conditions (genetically predetermined illnesses, for example) and late stages of chronic diseases are irreversible. There is no magic trick that would allow curing a person with the end-stage chronic illness. In situations like that palliation (a reduction of severity of symptoms) is the goal of treatment. "

http://www.homeopathynewyork.com/benefit.html

On Mar 13, 2008, at 8:39 PM, healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate of
> homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS, M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and
> homeopathic knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy can not cure
> genetically predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast cancer,
> Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.?

? Where does he say that? In some cases all of those certainly can be
cured. In other cases the goal would be something less than "cure",
but there still can be very significant help. But--give me a quote?

If e.g. an organ is *destroyed*, then no cure would be possible, tho
still could be very good amelioration.


> Only the non-medically trained, non-compassionate classical homeopath
> would tell patients to go off allopathic drugs

It's true that *necessary* drugs have to be handled cautiously; not be
reduced or withdrawn without proper oversight, and not until there's
been sufficient improvement beforehand, from a good remedy.


> [...]
> "We also need to remember that certain conditions (genetically
> predetermined illnesses, for example)

Some "genetically predetermined illnesses" *are* curable by homeopathy.
Others would not be--for instance no remedy (that I've heard of) can
cause a missing organ to grow, or cause bones or structures already
fully formed (e.g. in an adult) to normalize their form. (In a
still-growing child, tho, more can be accomplished since the *growth*
process can be normalized. I am not saying "always", but "in some
cases".)


> and late stages of chronic diseases are irreversible. There is no
> magic trick that would allow curing a person with the end-stage
> chronic illness. In situations like that palliation (a reduction of
> severity of symptoms) is the goal of treatment. "

Yes, that's part of what we learn about. In some cases the goal is not
"cure", but palliation, depending on the nature of the case (and the
prescriber's best assessment thereof), and the skills of the
prescriber. There's no controversy there.

Homeopathic palliation can--if the situation and the skills of the
prescriber permit--offer huge advantages over pharmaceutical
palliation, but that would be a case-by-case judgment.

Shannon
>
> http://www.homeopathynewyork.com/benefit.html
>

That is a wide generalization I beg to disagree with.



One patient I have now is a lady with generalized, metastatic cancer of the
breast who refused every conventional treatment.

Bone and liver metastases.........fixed tumor to the chest, fixed lymph
nodes in the axilla.

After 3 weeks of treatment, the breast tumor is freed from the chest wall,
shrunk somewhat, the lymph nodes in the axilla are free and a bit shrunk,
bone pain is less.

The secret is first that she did not have any chemo or radiotherapy, and
that I used a mix of homeopathy, Ramakrishnan, Iscador, herbs and diet, so
definitely not Classical.



Another patient with prostatic cancer and a hard tumour of the prostate has
now a normal prostate, normal PSA, but again not pure Classical Homeopathy.



Both have in common that the treatment is totally individualized, including
the herbal prescriptions.



Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and
comments.

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From: healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com

Date: 14/03/2008 2:40:13 p.m.

To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com

Subject: [H] Vithoulkas trained homeopath says genetic illness incurable!



Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate of
homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS, M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and homeopathic
knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy can not cure genetically
predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast cancer, Alzheimers,
Parkinsons, etc.?



Only the non-medically trained, non-compassionate classical homeopath would
tell patients to go off allopathic drugs that save lives while falsely
attempting to cure conditions that ARE NOT CURABLE!



Enough with the classical homeopathic "magic tricks".



"We also need to remember that certain conditions (genetically predetermined
illnesses, for example) and late stages of chronic diseases are irreversible
There is no magic trick that would allow curing a person with the end-stage
chronic illness. In situations like that palliation (a reduction of severity
of symptoms) is the goal of treatment. "



http://www.homeopathynewyork.com/benefit.html

--- healthydisinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate of homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS,
> M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and homeopathic knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy
> can not cure genetically predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast cancer, Alzheimers,
> Parkinsons, etc.?

*Opinions* are like a**holes, everybody has at least one.

> Only the non-medically trained, non-compassionate classical homeopath would tell patients to go
> off allopathic drugs that save lives while falsely attempting to cure conditions that ARE NOT
> CURABLE!

Bullroar. You are attempting to employ a junior high school debating
team technique, i.e. set up a false premise and then build a house of
cards upon a lie.

> Enough with the classical homeopathic "magic tricks".

Enough of the all-too-typical-and-familiar inflations and slander.
Get a life.

On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:39 PM, healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

>
> Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate
> of homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS, M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and
> homeopathic knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy can not
> cure genetically predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast
> cancer, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.?

Only in your and (according to you) his opinion.

Means nothing - you'd need to *prove* they can not be cured:-)
And that you can not do.

> "We also need to remember that certain conditions (genetically
> predetermined illnesses, for example) and late stages of chronic
> diseases are irreversible.

In his belief thus in his experience.... He has no proof either.
It is mere assumption on his part - or more than likely someone
else said so and he believed it and is passing it on - just as you
believe it not from first hand experience or knowledge but because
you blindly believe what someone else said about it. Did YOU study
homeopathy and then try to cure something in that line?
No.
So you have no leg to stand on in stating any opinion on it.

Have you ever noticed that if you want to hit a bullseye, it is
necessary to at least aim in the general direction of the target:-)
This person obviously failed to do so, apparently due to a negative
belief.
YOUR belief is equally negative and is not even your own idea - it is
copied from someone else's negative belief. Hardly original!.
So - as long as you and they do not aim for cure of these illnesses,
(facing away from the target) then of course you will see none.

Ya gotta aim fo' da' target fella, if'n ya wanna hit a bullseye!

It's that simple.
Those of use who not only face the target but aim for it slap bang in
the middle, actually achieve some successes:-)

> There is no magic trick that would allow curing a person with the
> end-stage chronic illness.

This is the modern medicine approach too. For example a chronic
illness I work in cats called FIP is considered incurable:
They keep trying (allopaths) - the last study was late 2007 in
Germany, reported on PubMed with zero success: See J Vet Intern Med.
2007 Nov-Dec;21(6):1193-7.PMID: 18196725, which says:
"There is no therapy with proven efficacy to treat cats with feline
infectious peritonitis (FIP)"

You also say there is no "magic trick"...
No trick no - but homeopathy works, it's just not a "trick".. It's
science.
Here's an example of a case of end-stage chronic FIP disease in a cat
in early 2003:
http://www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/fipcase.html

> In situations like that palliation (a reduction of severity of
> symptoms) is the goal of treatment. "

If that's all you aim for yes.
But the goal (target) for me is full health. MY target:-)
This kitty in the link above is still very healthy, and is not on any
"palliation", and has not needed further homeopathy either since
initial homeopathy was successful in restoring full health in a few
weeks in early 2003.

Now when I studied logic at university, one needed only one case that
went against someone's theory to disprove the theory.
Seems to me your theory that end-stage chronic disease can only be
palliated, just got disproved.

May I recommend that you face the target and aim for it in future -
and PROVE it can't be done, before you claim something is impossible.
:-)
You are in good company of course:
Flying was "impossible" till the Wright Brothers faced the target.
More than 5 people with personal computers was "impossible" (per the
head honcho of IBM) till someone else faced the target.
The world was flat, till someone made the simple adjustment of
actually *looking* with their own eyes at the curved horizon for
themselves.... instead of listening to everyone else' s hearsay......

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
> Some "genetically predetermined illnesses" *are* curable by
> homeopathy. Others would not be--for instance no remedy (that I've
> heard of) can cause a missing organ to grow, or cause bones or
> structures already fully formed (e.g. in an adult) to normalize
> their form.


Oh yeah???
I would not be SO sure:-)

What about the cat I had whose ears were kicked right off and whose
ears regenerated as I treated him for his paralysed tail etc.
I do not know what caused them to regenerate by the way, it's not as
though I tried to get them to do that - they just grew back:-)
.... surprised the heck out of me. And the vet would not have
believed it either if he'd not seen each 1/4 inch of increased ear as
it grew back - minus all the rips and tears of the old ears:-))
Remedies were Arn and Hyper.
Picture here; his name is Odin - he was age 6 at the time:
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/loki.html

Both the ears and the non-paralysed tail (and a whole lot more
repaired damage) are thanks to homeopathy.

So in my book, what homeopathy can not do, has yet to be shown.
I keep an open mind....
Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.l (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

At 02:41 AM 3/14/2008, you wrote:

>On Mar 13, 2008, at 6:39 PM, healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:
>
>>
>>Here's a highly regarded Vithoulkas trained homeopath, a diplomate
>>of homeopathy, EDWARD SHALTS, M.D., D.Ht.,?who has the medical and
>>homeopathic knowledge to admit that classical homeopathy can not
>>cure genetically predetermined illnesses, like diabetes, breast
>>cancer, Alzheimers, Parkinsons, etc.?


The idea of genetic is open to debate
Many things are said to be genetic and aren't necessarily so
Some things are said to be genetic and they are actually gene damage
from vaccines and other environmental toxins and are reversible.
And since when is Alzheimers or Parkinsons considered to be genetic.
These are disease names - allopaths through people into these
categories if they have similar symptoms to what they have determined
to be the symptom picture of these 'diseases'.
I suggest many of these are diagnosed as this and actually are due to
medications the person is on and when medications removed, symptoms
go away. When toxins are removed symptoms go away.
Also cancers are very possibly only when body chemistry is off - pH
too high or too low and lack of appropriate calciums.
And diabetes now is not seeming to be genetic..............children
popping up with diabetes everywhere with no family history.

No allopathic dictate of genetic or incurable is meaningful to
homeopaths or to many other non-allopathic practitioners
Sheri


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Dr. J. Rozencwajg,

I applaud you for being able to successfully treat cancer. Iscador, which is mistletoe, not sure if it is homeopathically prepared or just herbal, was widely written about here in the USA by actress Suzanne Somers, who cured her own breast cancer using it. She has written two recent books about that and also her use of replacement bio-identical natural hormones.

Though it seems you are proving my point that classical homeopathy ALONE can not fully treat various genetic illnesses or in this case, fast growing cancers. It needs to CO-MINGLE with other modalities either to fully achieve a cure or speed cure.

You say you use "a mix of homeopathy, Ramakrishnan, Iscador, herbs and diet". Thus, my questions are:

Why are you not solely using classical homeopathy?

How do you determine which of your regimen is actually working during treatment?

For example, a homeopathic remedy administered may not show immediate action but work later on while you are administering Iscador or an herb which may have more immediate action, or vice versa.

What would you expect the outcome to be if you did not include homeopathy?

It's not easy to discern if your classical homeopathic knowledge is vast enough that

1) you have concluded classical homeopathy can not solely successfully treat cancer or other illnesses or
2) it would take too long for it to successfully do so, thus risk death of patient or
3) that you discovered it is impossible to solely use classical homeopathy to treat cancer and other genetic illnesses

Are there cancers and other illnesses where you solely use classical homeopathy?

Why would initial chemo or radiation treatment negate your protocol?

Regards,

Susan


That is a wide generalization I beg to disagree with.

One patient I have now is a lady with generalized, metastatic cancer of the
breast who refused every conventional treatment.

Bone and liver metastases.........fixed tumor to the chest, fixed lymph
nodes in the axilla.

After 3 weeks of treatment, the breast tumor is freed from the chest wall,
shrunk somewhat, the lymph nodes in the axilla are free and a bit shrunk,
bone pain is less.

The secret is first that she did not have any chemo or radiotherapy, and
that I used a mix of homeopathy, Ramakrishnan, Iscador, herbs and diet, so
definitely not Classical.

Another patient with prostatic cancer and a hard tumour of the prostate has
now a normal prostate, normal PSA, but again not pure Classical Homeopathy.

Both have in common that the treatment is totally individualized, including
the herbal prescriptions.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.

"The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".

Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and
comments.

Hi Irene,

On Mar 14, 2008, at 2:51 AM, Irene de Villiers wrote:

>
> On Mar 13, 2008, at 7:10 PM, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
>> Some "genetically predetermined illnesses" *are* curable by
>> homeopathy. Others would not be--for instance no remedy (that I've
>> heard of) can cause a missing organ to grow, or cause bones or
>> structures already fully formed (e.g. in an adult) to normalize their
>> form.
>
>
> Oh yeah???
> I would not be SO sure:-)

Well, I did add that qualifier "that I've heard of"! And that wasn't
completely accurate either, since (like most of us, I'm sure) I've
heard the occasional story of e.g. third set of teeth coming in (I WANT
THAT REMEDY! :-)) ). But those are definitely in the "anecdotal"
corner...
>
> What about the cat I had whose ears were kicked right off and whose
> ears regenerated as I treated him for his paralysed tail etc.

I do remember, and that's amazing! :-)
But I have never heard anyone claim they could e.g. cause an organ to
grow in an infant born without it; nor to be able to cure structural
defects (in fixed tissues) in an *adult*.


> I do not know what caused them to regenerate by the way, it's not as
> though I tried to get them to do that - they just grew back:-)
> ... surprised the heck out of me. And the vet would not have believed
> it either if he'd not seen each 1/4 inch of increased ear as it grew
> back - minus all the rips and tears of the old ears:-)) Remedies were
> Arn and Hyper.
> Picture here; his name is Odin - he was age 6 at the time:
> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/loki.html
>
> Both the ears and the non-paralysed tail (and a whole lot more
> repaired damage) are thanks to homeopathy.
>
> So in my book, what homeopathy can not do, has yet to be shown.
> I keep an open mind....

I'll drink to that! :-))
Cheers!
Shannon

> Namaste,
> Irene
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.l (Veterinary Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi Susan,


On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com wrote:

> Dr. J. Rozencwajg,
>
> I applaud you for being able to successfully treat cancer.
> Iscador, which is mistletoe, not sure if it is homeopathically
> prepared or just herbal,

it is herbal


was widely written about here in the USA
> by actress Suzanne Somers, who cured her own breast cancer using
> it. She has written two recent books about that and also her use
> of replacement bio-identical natural hormones.
>
Iscador or Helixor (the same mistletoe preparations by 2 different
companies) derives from Anthrophosoophical Medicine. Its emplyment was
first based on the anthrophosophical theories of signature (cancer
acts parasitifcally on people/animals the way they consider the
mistletoe does on trees. (This may be too simplified an explanation,
however, this was how an anthrophosiphical therapist teacher
explained it at school). I has been widely used in Germany for decades
now as complimentary treatment in cancer - has even been acknowledged
as effective/helpful by regular medicine, so that the government
insurance even pays for it.

Just for everyone's information.

Regards

Luise


> Though it seems you are proving my point that classical homeopathy ALONE can not fully treat various genetic illnesses or in this case, fast growing cancers. It needs to CO-MINGLE with other modalities either to fully achieve a cure or speed cure.
>
> You say you use "a mix of homeopathy, Ramakrishnan, Iscador, herbs and diet". Thus, my questions are:
>
> Why are you not solely using classical homeopathy?
>
> How do you determine which of your regimen is actually working during treatment?
>
> For example, a homeopathic remedy administered may not show immediate action but work later on while you are administering Iscador or an herb which may have more immediate action, or vice versa.
>
> What would you expect the outcome to be if you did not include homeopathy?
>
> It's not easy to discern if your classical homeopathic knowledge is vast enough that
>
> 1) you have concluded classical homeopathy can not solely successfully treat cancer or other illnesses or
> 2) it would take too long for it to successfully do so, thus risk death of patient or
> 3) that you discovered it is impossible to solely use classical homeopathy to treat cancer and other genetic illnesses
>
> Are there cancers and other illnesses where you solely use classical homeopathy?
>
> Why would initial chemo or radiation treatment negate your protocol?
>
> Regards,
>
> Susan
>
>
> That is a wide generalization I beg to disagree with.
>
> One patient I have now is a lady with generalized, metastatic cancer of the
> breast who refused every conventional treatment.
>
> Bone and liver metastases.........fixed tumor to the chest, fixed lymph
> nodes in the axilla.
>
> After 3 weeks of treatment, the breast tumor is freed from the chest wall,
> shrunk somewhat, the lymph nodes in the axilla are free and a bit shrunk,
> bone pain is less.
>
> The secret is first that she did not have any chemo or radiotherapy, and
> that I used a mix of homeopathy, Ramakrishnan, Iscador, herbs and diet, so
> definitely not Classical.
>
> Another patient with prostatic cancer and a hard tumour of the prostate has
> now a normal prostate, normal PSA, but again not pure Classical Homeopathy.
>
> Both have in common that the treatment is totally individualized, including
> the herbal prescriptions.
>
> Dr. J. Rozencwajg, NMD.
>
> "The greatest enemy of any science is a closed mind".
>
> Visit http://drjoesnaturalmedicine.blogspot.com for some articles and
> comments.
>
>