From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo: homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:56:41 -0700

Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science' why in the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking on a really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has special homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath, doesn't it? This is right up there with telepathic remedy selection in a long list of credibility busting ideas from people who are so loose in thinking ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm they're causing the profession as a whole. So many substances to prove and some nutter goes with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it as a remedy is laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust in a company's integrity to buy remedies from them and this stretches it pretty thin. So if any of you have any more foolish notions say, scraping the paint off the Bush White House to create a remedy for retarded intellectual development, try it on yourself first. If you think it worked, it didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think and remember 'First,do no harm', that includes our profession. Please. Crackpot ideas scare away patients that may otherwise benefit from treatment by a homeopath with her/his feet on the ground and head in the same room. Robert Steele

Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!

Hi Robert,
Have you investigated any of the claimed cures with Berlin Wall, to
know whether or not they are bogus?
Shannon

On Dec 3, 2007, at 5:37 AM, R Steele wrote:

>
> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo:
> homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov
> 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>
> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science' why
> in the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking on a
> really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has special
> homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath, doesn't it?
> This is right up there with telepathic remedy selection in a long list
> of credibility busting ideas from people who are so loose in thinking
> ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm they're causing the
> profession as a whole. So many substances to prove and some nutter
> goes with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it as a remedy is
> laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust in a company's
> integrity to buy remedies from them and this stretches it pretty thin.
> So if any of you have any more foolish notions say, scraping the paint
> off the Bush White House to create a remedy for retarded intellectual
> development, try it on yourself first. If you think it worked, it
> didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think and remember
> 'First,do no harm', that includes our profession. Please. Crackpot
> ideas scare away patients that may otherwise benefit from treatment by
> a homeopath with her/his feet on the ground and head in the same room.
> Robert Steele
>
> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!
>

Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.

Jeff tikari


TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
----- Original Message -----
From: "R Steele" <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply



From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo: homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject:
Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:56:41 -0700

Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science' why in
the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking on a really
new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has special homeopathic
powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath, doesn't it? This is right up
there with telepathic remedy selection in a long list of credibility busting
ideas from people who are so loose in thinking ability they simply cannot
see the incredible harm they're causing the profession as a whole. So many
substances to prove and some nutter goes with the Berlin Wall. The company
selling it as a remedy is laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust
in a company's integrity to buy remedies from them and this stretches it
pretty thin. So if any of you have any more foolish notions say, scraping
the paint off the Bush White House to create a remedy for retarded
intellectual development, try it on yourself first. If you think it worked,
it didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think and remember 'First,do
no harm', that includes our profession. Please. Crackpot ideas scare away
patients that may otherwise benefit from treatment by a homeopath with
her/his feet on the ground and head in the same room. Robert Steele

Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!

Is that really weirder than a remedy made from magnetism? Yet
Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I don't understand the
objections...
Shannon


On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:

> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>
> Jeff tikari
>
>
> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Steele" <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
> Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>
>
>
> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo:
> homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov
> 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>
> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science' why
> in the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking on a
> really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has special
> homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath, doesn't it?
> This is right up there with telepathic remedy selection in a long list
> of credibility busting ideas from people who are so loose in thinking
> ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm they're causing the
> profession as a whole. So many substances to prove and some nutter
> goes with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it as a remedy is
> laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust in a company's
> integrity to buy remedies from them and this stretches it pretty thin.
> So if any of you have any more foolish notions say, scraping the paint
> off the Bush White House to create a remedy for retarded intellectual
> development, try it on yourself first. If you think it worked, it
> didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think and remember
> 'First,do no harm', that includes our profession. Please. Crackpot
> ideas scare away patients that may otherwise benefit from treatment by
> a homeopath with her/his feet on the ground and head in the same room.
> Robert Steele
>
> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!
>

Now *that* is weird! :-))
Bonita, can you say a bit about the effects of the remedy? (If not a
problem with confidentiality issues?)
Shannon

On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Bonita Jarosiewicz wrote:

> Or Positronium? Used that successfully a number of
> years ago. One thing homoeopathy has taught me - never
> dismiss something just because one doesn't understand
> it.
>
> Bonita
>
>
> --- Robert & Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
> wrote:
>
>> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from
>> magnetism? Yet
>> Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I
>> don't understand the
>> objections...
>> Shannon
>>
>>
>> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>>
>>> Jeff tikari
>>>
>>>
>>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation -
>> Jeff Tikari
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Steele"
>> <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
>>> Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo:
>>> homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin
>> WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov
>>> 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>>>
>>> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a
>> 'dubious science' why
>>> in the hell would you add credibility to that
>> claim by embarking on a
>>> really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin
>> Wall has special
>>> homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a
>> homeopath, doesn't it?
>>> This is right up there with telepathic remedy
>> selection in a long list
>>> of credibility busting ideas from people who are
>> so loose in thinking
>>> ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm
>> they're causing the
>>> profession as a whole. So many substances to prove
>> and some nutter
>>> goes with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it
>> as a remedy is
>>> laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust
>> in a company's
>>> integrity to buy remedies from them and this
>> stretches it pretty thin.
>>> So if any of you have any more foolish notions
>> say, scraping the paint
>>> off the Bush White House to create a remedy for
>> retarded intellectual
>>> development, try it on yourself first. If you
>> think it worked, it
>>> didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think
>> and remember
>>> 'First,do no harm', that includes our profession.
>> Please. Crackpot
>>> ideas scare away patients that may otherwise
>> benefit from treatment by
>>> a homeopath with her/his feet on the ground and
>> head in the same room.
>>> Robert Steele
>>>
>>> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!
>>>
>>
>

Positronium was actually made from putting the vial in a beam of
positrons. By Chris Kurtz, if I remember correctly, who used to post
to this list years ago. As imponderable remedies go, it's one of the
"less weird" ones, unlike say Berlin Wall or Storm.

Some of the comments after the article on Berlin Wall in
Interhomeopathy were about whether this remedy is really Berlin Wall
or just Concrete Wall. (http://www.interhomeopathy.org/index.php/
journal/entry/berlin_wall/)

By the way, I know that the Interhomeopathy editors are always
looking for people to submit cases or articles for publication
online. You can get the email address from the website
(www.interhomeopathy.org) if you're interested.

-- John
WooWooScience.com

On Dec 4, 2007, at 7:57 PM, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

> Now *that* is weird! :-))
> Bonita, can you say a bit about the effects of the remedy? (If not
> a problem with confidentiality issues?)
> Shannon
>
> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:34 PM, Bonita Jarosiewicz wrote:
>
>> Or Positronium? Used that successfully a number of
>> years ago. One thing homoeopathy has taught me - never
>> dismiss something just because one doesn't understand
>> it.
>>
>> Bonita
>>
>>
>> --- Robert & Shannon Nelson <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from
>>> magnetism? Yet
>>> Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I
>>> don't understand the
>>> objections...
>>> Shannon
>>>
>>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>>>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>>>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff tikari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation -
>>> Jeff Tikari
>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Steele"
>>> <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>>>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
>>>> Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo:
>>>> homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin
>>> WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov
>>>> 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>>>>
>>>> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a
>>> 'dubious science' why
>>>> in the hell would you add credibility to that
>>> claim by embarking on a
>>>> really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin
>>> Wall has special
>>>> homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a
>>> homeopath, doesn't it?
>>>> This is right up there with telepathic remedy
>>> selection in a long list
>>>> of credibility busting ideas from people who are
>>> so loose in thinking
>>>> ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm
>>> they're causing the
>>>> profession as a whole. So many substances to prove
>>> and some nutter
>>>> goes with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it
>>> as a remedy is
>>>> laughing all the way to the bank. It takes trust
>>> in a company's
>>>> integrity to buy remedies from them and this
>>> stretches it pretty thin.
>>>> So if any of you have any more foolish notions
>>> say, scraping the paint
>>>> off the Bush White House to create a remedy for
>>> retarded intellectual
>>>> development, try it on yourself first. If you
>>> think it worked, it
>>>> didn't. Leave us some credibility will you. Think
>>> and remember
>>>> 'First,do no harm', that includes our profession.
>>> Please. Crackpot
>>>> ideas scare away patients that may otherwise
>>> benefit from treatment by
>>>> a homeopath with her/his feet on the ground and
>>> head in the same room.
>>>> Robert Steele
>>>>
>>>> Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks & Treats for You! Get 'em!
>>>>
>>>
>>

----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert & Shannon Nelson" <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:38 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Delayed/lost reply


> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from magnetism? Yet Hahnemann
> did, and occasionally used, that. I don't understand the objections...
> Shannon

Hi Shannon,

I don't think Hahnemann actually made a remedy (i.e. as in a globule or
dilution) from the magnet. In the MMP Hahnemann says: "If the practitioner
has to send the magnet as a remedy to a patient at a distance, he can, if he
will, easily prepare one himself, by attending to the following directions,
which I have, after multiplied trials, found to be the best..." He then
gives precise instructions on how to magnetize a rod of steel, store it in a
wooden case, and send it in this way to the patient. The proving data of the
magnet says the general effects were noted when the magnet was touched on
both ends (poles), or when the magnet was placed along the length of the
skin. I think somebody else made a "remedy" from the magnet. Noone disputes
the transmission of dynamic (magnetic) energy from a rod of steel, or from a
human /spiritual channel for that matter, but I guess it is a grey area as
to how sure we can be that the energy is correctly imparted and sustained
within the medium of the globule or solution in the first instance.

Chris.




> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>
>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>
>> Jeff tikari
>>
>>
>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Steele" <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
>> Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>
>>
>>
>> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo: homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject:
>> Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>>
>> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science' why
>> in the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking on a
>> really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has special
>> homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath, doesn't it? This
>> is right up there with telepathic remedy selection in a long list of
>> credibility busting ideas from people who are so loose in thinking
>> ability they simply cannot see the incredible harm they're causing the
>> profession as a whole. So many substances to prove and some nutter goes
>> with the Berlin Wall. The company selling it as a remedy is laughing all
>> the way to the bank. It takes trust in a company's integrity to buy
>> remedies from them and this stretches it pretty thin. So if any of you
>> have any more foolish notions say, scraping the paint off the Bush White
>> House to create a remedy for retarded intellectual development, try it
>> on yourself first. If you think it worked, it didn't. Leave us some
>> credibility will you. Think and remember 'First,do no harm', that
>> includes our profession. Please. Crackpot ideas scare away patients that
>> may otherwise benefit from treatment by a homeopath with her/his feet on
>> the ground and head in the same room. Robert Steele

Thanks Chris,
You're quite right, I wasn't thinking...
And I guess one doesn't have to accept the idea that there's any sort
of "energy" stored in an object (e.g. the Berlin Wall, Shroud of Turin,
etc.). Still I find it odd that the criticisms are directed against
the idea itself, without even *looking* at the evidence--the provings
and/or cured cases. That's an understandable reaction from someone
who's already committed to "not believing in homeopathy", but I find it
a funny reaction from a homeopath!

That's all; just think it's better to examine the evidence before
flinging flaming brands...
:-)
Shannon

On Dec 5, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Chris Gillen wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Shannon Nelson"
> <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:38 AM
> Subject: Re: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>
>
>> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from magnetism? Yet
>> Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I don't understand the
>> objections...
>> Shannon
>
> Hi Shannon,
>
> I don't think Hahnemann actually made a remedy (i.e. as in a globule
> or dilution) from the magnet. In the MMP Hahnemann says: "If the
> practitioner has to send the magnet as a remedy to a patient at a
> distance, he can, if he will, easily prepare one himself, by attending
> to the following directions, which I have, after multiplied trials,
> found to be the best..." He then gives precise instructions on how to
> magnetize a rod of steel, store it in a wooden case, and send it in
> this way to the patient. The proving data of the magnet says the
> general effects were noted when the magnet was touched on both ends
> (poles), or when the magnet was placed along the length of the skin. I
> think somebody else made a "remedy" from the magnet. Noone disputes
> the transmission of dynamic (magnetic) energy from a rod of steel, or
> from a human /spiritual channel for that matter, but I guess it is a
> grey area as to how sure we can be that the energy is correctly
> imparted and sustained within the medium of the globule or solution in
> the first instance.
>
> Chris.
>
>
>
>
>> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>>
>>> Jeff tikari
>>>
>>>
>>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "R Steele"
>>> <resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>
>>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>>> Sent: Monday, December 03, 2007 5:07 PM
>>> Subject: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> From: resteele04 (AT) hotmail (DOT) comTo:
>>> homeopathy-request (AT) homeolist (DOT) comSubject: Berlin WallDate: Tue, 6 Nov
>>> 2007 01:56:41 -0700
>>>
>>> Martha, You are so right, when already dubbed a 'dubious science'
>>> why in the hell would you add credibility to that claim by embarking
>>> on a really new age, hippy-style claim that the Berlin Wall has
>>> special homeopathic powers. Makes you proud to be a homeopath,
>>> doesn't it? This is right up there with telepathic remedy
>>> selection in a long list of credibility busting ideas from people
>>> who are so loose in thinking ability they simply cannot see the
>>> incredible harm they're causing the profession as a whole. So many
>>> substances to prove and some nutter goes with the Berlin Wall. The
>>> company selling it as a remedy is laughing all the way to the bank.
>>> It takes trust in a company's integrity to buy remedies from them
>>> and this stretches it pretty thin. So if any of you have any more
>>> foolish notions say, scraping the paint off the Bush White House to
>>> create a remedy for retarded intellectual development, try it on
>>> yourself first. If you think it worked, it didn't. Leave us some
>>> credibility will you. Think and remember 'First,do no harm', that
>>> includes our profession. Please. Crackpot ideas scare away patients
>>> that may otherwise benefit from treatment by a homeopath with
>>> her/his feet on the ground and head in the same room. Robert Steele
>
>

Shannon,

I think the problem has to do with wanting homeopathy to become more
popular. Things like this, whether "true" or not, make it easier for
skeptics to make homeopathy sound "just too weird" to those who
haven't had personal experience with good results. I personally agree
with the "let's test it before condemning it" approach. But I can
understand the exasperation of those who feel they need to make
homeopathy more "respectable."

This also shows one of the great things of homeopathy and provings.
If I have a case that looks like it matches the Berlin Wall proving,
I'm going to give that remedy, whether it's really Berlin Wall or
Concrete Wall or whatever. With a good proving or good cured case, I
have data I can use, and can let the philosophical issues work
themselves out in their own time.

-- John
WooWooScience.com


On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:

> Thanks Chris,
> You're quite right, I wasn't thinking...
> And I guess one doesn't have to accept the idea that there's any
> sort of "energy" stored in an object (e.g. the Berlin Wall, Shroud
> of Turin, etc.). Still I find it odd that the criticisms are
> directed against the idea itself, without even *looking* at the
> evidence--the provings and/or cured cases. That's an
> understandable reaction from someone who's already committed to
> "not believing in homeopathy", but I find it a funny reaction from
> a homeopath!
>
> That's all; just think it's better to examine the evidence before
> flinging flaming brands...
> :-)
> Shannon
>
> On Dec 5, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Chris Gillen wrote:
>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Shannon Nelson"
>> <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>
>>
>>> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from magnetism? Yet
>>> Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I don't understand
>>> the objections...
>>> Shannon
>>
>> Hi Shannon,
>>
>> I don't think Hahnemann actually made a remedy (i.e. as in a
>> globule or dilution) from the magnet. In the MMP Hahnemann says:
>> "If the practitioner has to send the magnet as a remedy to a
>> patient at a distance, he can, if he will, easily prepare one
>> himself, by attending to the following directions, which I have,
>> after multiplied trials, found to be the best..." He then gives
>> precise instructions on how to magnetize a rod of steel, store it
>> in a wooden case, and send it in this way to the patient. The
>> proving data of the magnet says the general effects were noted
>> when the magnet was touched on both ends (poles), or when the
>> magnet was placed along the length of the skin. I think somebody
>> else made a "remedy" from the magnet. Noone disputes the
>> transmission of dynamic (magnetic) energy from a rod of steel, or
>> from a human /spiritual channel for that matter, but I guess it is
>> a grey area as to how sure we can be that the energy is correctly
>> imparted and sustained within the medium of the globule or
>> solution in the first instance.
>>
>> Chris.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>>>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>>>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>>>
>>>> Jeff tikari
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
>>>>

Yes, your guess as to the motivation makes sense! But I do find it
amusing that one wants to make homeopathy "sound more respectable" or
whatever--it is what it is, and to someone who's only known today's
dominant medical model--well, face it, it sounds *weird*! With or
without any Berlin Walls. IMO that sort of thing should be of interest
only to *homeopaths*, and if someone else wants to do a "well *that's*
weird" trip with it, just shrug, smile, and say "Yeah, isn't it?" If
"we" keep buying into "their" hysteria and flapping of hands and
pursing of lips, well, we just fan the flames. Better to just *look*
at the provings, the cases, the results! That's my opinion...
Cheers,
Shannon

On Dec 6, 2007, at 11:23 AM, John Ourant wrote:

> Shannon,
>
> I think the problem has to do with wanting homeopathy to become more
> popular. Things like this, whether "true" or not, make it easier for
> skeptics to make homeopathy sound "just too weird" to those who
> haven't had personal experience with good results. I personally agree
> with the "let's test it before condemning it" approach. But I can
> understand the exasperation of those who feel they need to make
> homeopathy more "respectable."
>
> This also shows one of the great things of homeopathy and provings. If
> I have a case that looks like it matches the Berlin Wall proving, I'm
> going to give that remedy, whether it's really Berlin Wall or Concrete
> Wall or whatever. With a good proving or good cured case, I have data
> I can use, and can let the philosophical issues work themselves out in
> their own time.
>
> -- John
> WooWooScience.com
>
>
> On Dec 6, 2007, at 6:59 AM, Robert & Shannon Nelson wrote:
>
>> Thanks Chris,
>> You're quite right, I wasn't thinking...
>> And I guess one doesn't have to accept the idea that there's any sort
>> of "energy" stored in an object (e.g. the Berlin Wall, Shroud of
>> Turin, etc.). Still I find it odd that the criticisms are directed
>> against the idea itself, without even *looking* at the evidence--the
>> provings and/or cured cases. That's an understandable reaction from
>> someone who's already committed to "not believing in homeopathy", but
>> I find it a funny reaction from a homeopath!
>>
>> That's all; just think it's better to examine the evidence before
>> flinging flaming brands...
>> :-)
>> Shannon
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2007, at 11:23 PM, Chris Gillen wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert & Shannon Nelson"
>>> <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
>>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, December 05, 2007 1:38 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [H] Delayed/lost reply
>>>
>>>
>>>> Is that really weirder than a remedy made from magnetism? Yet
>>>> Hahnemann did, and occasionally used, that. I don't understand
>>>> the objections...
>>>> Shannon
>>>
>>> Hi Shannon,
>>>
>>> I don't think Hahnemann actually made a remedy (i.e. as in a globule
>>> or dilution) from the magnet. In the MMP Hahnemann says: "If the
>>> practitioner has to send the magnet as a remedy to a patient at a
>>> distance, he can, if he will, easily prepare one himself, by
>>> attending to the following directions, which I have, after
>>> multiplied trials, found to be the best..." He then gives precise
>>> instructions on how to magnetize a rod of steel, store it in a
>>> wooden case, and send it in this way to the patient. The proving
>>> data of the magnet says the general effects were noted when the
>>> magnet was touched on both ends (poles), or when the magnet was
>>> placed along the length of the skin. I think somebody else made a
>>> "remedy" from the magnet. Noone disputes the transmission of dynamic
>>> (magnetic) energy from a rod of steel, or from a human /spiritual
>>> channel for that matter, but I guess it is a grey area as to how
>>> sure we can be that the energy is correctly imparted and sustained
>>> within the medium of the globule or solution in the first instance.
>>>
>>> Chris.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Dec 4, 2007, at 6:33 AM, jtikari wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Yes, Robert, I go along with what you say.
>>>>> Next we'll be thinking of making a remedy
>>>>> from a piece of 'The Shroud of Turin'.
>>>>>
>>>>> Jeff tikari
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> TRUTH is an accurate conception of a revelation - Jeff Tikari
>>>>>
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