Leela, doesn't it all sound too familiar ? They Deny everything that doesn't live up to the day's level and later , when some empirical test is suggested, suddenly everything is accepted. No one will read the test or papers, just even a newspaper clip will set right everything. As if we lived in a past proof and future proof time capsule !!

To my knowledge, coffee has been alternately criticised and praised for its 'properties' by these scientific studies.

The rishis of India knew these effects of moon ( not only moon but all the nine planets) on the human health- both physical and mental - thousands of years before us.

Hahnemann was scoffed at for his inductive raesoning- which finally prevailed. even his own colleagues lambasted him for his causticum proving,. In each step he was rejected.

The 'experience' of someone with good intentions does not count. But someone with an allopathic degree counts thousand times its worth. Is this all you call scientific ? Come on.. We are outcastes in medicine and even the best among us are labelled bankrupt in the 'scientific' society. As far their such reports , they are simply woth a shrug.

Venkat


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I think what's happening Venkat, is that there are more qualitative
studies, anthorpological studies being carried out today which allosa
for such information to become statistically relevant. these are also
more easily being considered as scientific information.
earlier, everything has to be possible only on laboratory analysis.
Leela


Venkat;74465 Wrote:
> Dear list,
> Look at this, I got reference to this link from a spiritual list, but
> the contents make relevance.
>
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...article2171687.
>
> go through this link
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...article2171687.
> ece
>
> For eons, folklore has blamed the Moon for everything from lunacy to
> bad luck. And, for the last few centuries, scientists have scoffed.
> Now, according to new research they're not so sure. The Moon may not
> be made of cheese, but it seems to influence a lot more down on Earth
> than we previously thought.
>
> According to new research, the Moon affects not only the tides of the
> oceans but also people, producing a range of symptoms from flare-ups
> of gout to bladder problems. It may even lie behind the causes of car
> crashes and affect people's hormonal balances.
>
>

I think Venkat,
the trick is to begin to use their language.
Also, I think they can't ignore the alternatives anymore. With so much money behind what is 'scientific", it is actually money that speaks in the world. This is a reality everywhere.

The rest is a question of sheepmindedness and insecurity ----

whatever, its up to us to reach a level where we can truly be alternative, an alternative paradigm. We can ask ourselves, how many Cardiac Infarcts can we manage effectively? or renal failures, or strokes, or ...
how many diseases can we cure effectively on a day to day basis with clear and acceptable documentation of cure?... we have hardly done this groundwork as yet. So it remains rethoric.

We need to begin the serious ground work on an international level before we can make claims or be taken seriously ... so lets start :)
Leela

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I think it's more about needed the level of proof that mets their standards. Unfortunately too easily information is supplied which can be easily discredited. Until this information matches the level they expect, of course they will discount it. But the minute the information meets that standard, hey presto, it is deemed scientifically relevant. Of course that doesn't necessarily make it more right or wrong but from their perspective, if they didn't adopt this approach, then we might all still believe the sun revolved around the earth...

Comments like sheepmindedness and insecurity probably reveal more about an acceptance of sloppy data rather than being critically minded and setting of high(er) standards.

DD

homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

I think Venkat,
the trick is to begin to use their language.
Also, I think they can't ignore the alternatives anymore. With so much
money behind what is 'scientific", it is actually money that speaks in
the world. This is a reality everywhere.

The rest is a question of sheepmindedness and insecurity ----

whatever, its up to us to reach a level where we can truly be
alternative, an alternative paradigm. We can ask ourselves, how many
Cardiac Infarcts can we manage effectively? or renal failures, or
strokes, or ...
how many diseases can we cure effectively on a day to day basis with
clear and acceptable documentation of cure?... we have hardly done this
groundwork as yet. So it remains rethoric.

We need to begin the serious ground work on an international level
before we can make claims or be taken seriously ... so lets start :)
Leela


Venkat;74584 Wrote:
> Leela, doesn't it all sound too familiar ? They Deny everything that
> doesn't live up to the day's level and later , when some empirical test
> is suggested, suddenly everything is accepted. No one will read the test
> or papers, just even a newspaper clip will set right everything. As if
> we lived in a past proof and future proof time capsule !!
>
> To my knowledge, coffee has been alternately criticised and praised for
> its 'properties' by these scientific studies.
>
> The rishis of India knew these effects of moon ( not only moon but all
> the nine planets) on the human health- both physical and mental -
> thousands of years before us.
>
> Hahnemann was scoffed at for his inductive raesoning- which finally
> prevailed. even his own colleagues lambasted him for his causticum
> proving,. In each step he was rejected.
>
> The 'experience' of someone with good intentions does not count. But
> someone with an allopathic degree counts thousand times its worth. Is
> this all you call scientific ? Come on.. We are outcastes in medicine
> and even the best among us are labelled bankrupt in the 'scientific'
> society. As far their such reports , they are simply woth a shrug.
>
> Venkat
>
>
> Message-ID:
>
>
> I think what's happening Venkat, is that there are more qualitative
> studies, anthorpological studies being carried out today which allosa
> for such information to become statistically relevant. these are also
> more easily being considered as scientific information.
> earlier, everything has to be possible only on laboratory analysis.
> Leela
>
>
> Venkat;74465 Wrote:
> > Dear list,
> > Look at this, I got reference to this link from a spiritual list,
> but
> > the contents make relevance.
> >
> >
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...article2171687.
> >
> > go through this link
> >
> http://news.independent.co.uk/world/...article2171687.
> > ece
> >
> > For eons, folklore has blamed the Moon for everything from lunacy to
> > bad luck. And, for the last few centuries, scientists have scoffed.
> > Now, according to new research they're not so sure. The Moon may not
> > be made of cheese, but it seems to influence a lot more down on
> Earth
> > than we previously thought.
> >
> > According to new research, the Moon affects not only the tides of
> the
> > oceans but also people, producing a range of symptoms from flare-ups
> > of gout to bladder problems. It may even lie behind the causes of
> car
> > crashes and affect people's hormonal balances.
> >
> >


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Hi David, I agree.
But the focus of reaching a level of higher standards should be for our won progress and development as a scentific paradigm and not for matching up to them.

We're not competing. We're offering a reliable alternative. So we don't ahev to do soemting hat may be right or wrong for them to acept it. It has to be completely right for US as (classical) homeopaths at the outset.

Sheep-mindedness and insecurity refer to those who have a prejudice from living in a different paradigm and worldwiew which prevents them from seeing beyond, to consider the possiblity of the homeopathic alternative. It may be someone well qualified or it may be the next person in the street. But they have a right to say - show me if it is really reliable before I do so.
leela



[quote=David King;74759]I think it's more about needed the level of proof that mets their standards. Unfortunately too easily information is supplied which can be easily discredited. Until this information matches the level they expect, of course they will discount it. But the minute the information meets that standard, hey presto, it is deemed scientifically relevant. Of course that doesn't necessarily make it more right or wrong but from their perspective, if they didn't adopt this approach, then we might all still believe the sun revolved around the earth...

Comments like sheepmindedness and insecurity probably reveal more about an acceptance of sloppy data rather than being critically minded and setting of high(er) standards.

DD

homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

I think Venkat,
the trick is to begin to use their language.
Also, I think they can't ignore the alternatives anymore. With so much
money behind what is 'scientific", it is actually money that speaks in
the world. This is a reality everywhere.

The rest is a question of sheepmindedness and insecurity ----

whatever, its up to us to reach a level where we can truly be
alternative, an alternative paradigm. We can ask ourselves, how many
Cardiac Infarcts can we manage effectively? or renal failures, or
strokes, or ...
how many diseases can we cure effectively on a day to day basis with
clear and acceptable documentation of cure?... we have hardly done this
groundwork as yet. So it remains rethoric.

We need to begin the serious ground work on an international level
before we can make claims or be taken seriously ... so lets start :)
Leela

__________________
http://www.homeopathy2health.com