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Vets protest over homeopathy plan A group of vets has said they are concerned by European Commission proposals to legitimise the use of homeopathic remedies for animals. In an open letter to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, the group says there is no clinical evidence that homeopathy works. The vets have signed the letter to the RCVS, calling for it to increase support for conventional medicine. The RCVS has said it does not take a stance either way on homeopathy. Professor Derek Knottenbelt, from the University of Liverpool, is spokesman for the group of forty concerned vets, professors and veterinary nurses. He told BBC Radio Four's Farming Today programme that homeopathic treatments had not gone through the rigorous clinical trials of conventional medicines. "Homeopathic medicine, in the broadest sense of the word, is unproven, unscientific, and unvalidated," he said. "In any sense of the word it is an unjustified approach to an ill animal." Alternative treatment The RCVS says it only registers qualified vets and it is up to them whether or not they practise homeopathic medicine alongside their conventional treatments. Its president, Lynn Hill said: "At the present time the Royal College does believe very strongly in clinical choice both for the veterinary surgeon and also the client." Homeopathy is the treatment of 'like with like', its supporters say. Minute doses of substances that can cause signs of illness in a healthy person are used to treat the same symptoms in a sick patient. Some homeopathic practitioners dilute the dose so much that no molecules remain of the substance being diluted - believing that the solution retains a "memory" or imprint" of the substance. The vets who are objecting to homeopathic treatment say none of the remedies have gone through the rigorous clinical trials that usual medicines have to. Animal welfare risk Dr Simon Baker, a vet from Essex who signed the letter told the BBC: "Our main concern is that homeopathy is unlikely to benefit animals. "Very little work has been done with homeopathy and animals at all. The main risk is that if anything does not go well their welfare has suffered. "There is the potential for things to get worse and worse and homeopathy has the potential to provide explanations for all outcomes, whether things get better or worse. "If an animal does get worse then it's not had the opportunity to have treatment that might have made them better. "As vets, it's not our obligation to take regard of the owner's choice if that choice is not for the benefit of the animal's welfare." 'Great strength' But vet John Saxton, president of the faculty of homeopathy at the Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, told BBC News homeopathy was only used, where appropriate, as an "additional tool" in conjunction with conventional medicine. It was backed up by "basic research, evidence and scientific theories," he added. But its "great strength" was the ability to approach medical problems from "an entirely different point of view". Carl Barton, farm manager for the Goodwood Estate in West Sussex, told Farming Today that homeopathy works. "What one's got to remember is that these beasts we rely on for our livelihood," he said. "So we're not going to do anything lightly. So we treat them with homeopathy, and it works very well. My herd is case proven." -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours (worldwide) Vaccination Information & Choice Network http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm homeopathycures (AT) tesco (DOT) net ONLINE Introduction to Homeopathy Classes ONLINE Introduction to Vaccine Dangers Classes Voicemail US 530-740-0561 UK phone from US 011-44-1874-624-936 |
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At 04:11 PM 6/21/2006 +0100, you wrote:
>http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5093572.stm > Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > A group of vets has said they are concerned by European Commission >proposals to legitimise the use of homeopathic remedies for animals. > In an open letter to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, the >group says there is no clinical evidence that homeopathy works. Follow the money. > The vets have signed the letter to the RCVS, calling for it to >increase support for conventional medicine. Follow the money. > The RCVS has said it does not take a stance either way on homeopathy. > > Professor Derek Knottenbelt, from the University of Liverpool, is >spokesman for the group of forty concerned vets, professors and veterinary >nurses. > > He told BBC Radio Four's Farming Today programme that homeopathic >treatments had not gone through the rigorous clinical trials of conventional >medicines. > > "Homeopathic medicine, in the broadest sense of the word, is unproven, >unscientific, and unvalidated," he said. Follow the money. > "In any sense of the word it is an unjustified approach to an ill >animal." Did I mention "Follow the money"? [big snippage] -- When profits are up, CEOs attribute it to their genius. When profits are down, it's always 'the economy'. |
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Though I disagree with the sentiments of the people who are complaining
about the use of homeopathy, I do believe that homeopathy within veterinary practice within the UK should be regulated in some way. Any vet can pick up a few books on homeopathy and start practicing with no real knowledge of the subject. Because they are a vet, people immediately assume that they will know what they are doing and will help their animals. Here are just three examples of homeopathic practice by vets in the UK that I have come across: A cat given Merc-cor dry dose, twice daily for five years. A dog that was on 13 different homeopathic remedies a day, by the time it died. A cat that was put on Silica and a nosode to be given daily in dry dose; as the cat got worse and worse the owner was told to continue with the treatment. This owner became friends with me and I put her onto a Classical Hom who cured the cat in two months with minimal dosage. It is unfair that because someone is a vet they can practice homeopathy without any formal training and yet someone who is not a vet but who is properly trained and competent, can not treat an animal. Once again profits before the welfare of animals. Kerry > -----Original Message----- > From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com [mailto:homeopathy- > bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken > Sent: 21 June 2006 16:11 > To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com; homeopathy_open (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com; > minutus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com > Subject: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5093572.stm > Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > A group of vets has said they are concerned by European Commission > proposals to legitimise the use of homeopathic remedies for animals. > In an open letter to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, the > group says there is no clinical evidence that homeopathy works. > > The vets have signed the letter to the RCVS, calling for it to > increase support for conventional medicine. > > The RCVS has said it does not take a stance either way on homeopathy. > > Professor Derek Knottenbelt, from the University of Liverpool, is > spokesman for the group of forty concerned vets, professors and veterinary > nurses. > > He told BBC Radio Four's Farming Today programme that homeopathic > treatments had not gone through the rigorous clinical trials of conventional > medicines. > > "Homeopathic medicine, in the broadest sense of the word, is unproven, > unscientific, and unvalidated," he said. > > "In any sense of the word it is an unjustified approach to an ill > animal." > > Alternative treatment > > The RCVS says it only registers qualified vets and it is up to them > whether or not they practise homeopathic medicine alongside their > conventional treatments. > > Its president, Lynn Hill said: "At the present time the Royal College > does believe very strongly in clinical choice both for the veterinary > surgeon and also the client." > > Homeopathy is the treatment of 'like with like', its supporters say. > Minute doses of substances that can cause signs of illness in a healthy > person are used to treat the same symptoms in a sick patient. > > Some homeopathic practitioners dilute the dose so much that no > molecules remain of the substance being diluted - believing that the > solution retains a "memory" or imprint" of the substance. > > The vets who are objecting to homeopathic treatment say none of the > remedies have gone through the rigorous clinical trials that usual medicines > have to. > > Animal welfare risk > > Dr Simon Baker, a vet from Essex who signed the letter told the BBC: > "Our main concern is that homeopathy is unlikely to benefit animals. > > "Very little work has been done with homeopathy and animals at all. > The main risk is that if anything does not go well their welfare has > suffered. > > "There is the potential for things to get worse and worse and > homeopathy has the potential to provide explanations for all outcomes, > whether things get better or worse. > > "If an animal does get worse then it's not had the opportunity to have > treatment that might have made them better. > > "As vets, it's not our obligation to take regard of the owner's choice > if that choice is not for the benefit of the animal's welfare." > > 'Great strength' > > But vet John Saxton, president of the faculty of homeopathy at the > Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, told BBC News homeopathy was only > used, > where appropriate, as an "additional tool" in conjunction with conventional > medicine. > > It was backed up by "basic research, evidence and scientific > theories," he added. > > But its "great strength" was the ability to approach medical problems > from "an entirely different point of view". > > Carl Barton, farm manager for the Goodwood Estate in West Sussex, > told > Farming Today that homeopathy works. > > "What one's got to remember is that these beasts we rely on for our > livelihood," he said. > > "So we're not going to do anything lightly. So we treat them with > homeopathy, and it works very well. My herd is case proven." > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours (worldwide) > Vaccination Information & Choice Network > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > homeopathycures (AT) tesco (DOT) net > ONLINE Introduction to Homeopathy Classes > ONLINE Introduction to Vaccine Dangers Classes > Voicemail US 530-740-0561 UK phone from US 011-44-1874-624-936 > > > > ______________________________ > _________________ > Homeopathy Mailing List > homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com > http://lists.homeolist.com/mailman/listinfo/homeopathy > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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It is a shame when homeopathy is misused. I know a woman who has breast
cancer and her "homeopath" prescribed carsinosinum 200c once daily. I'm not sure how any sort of regulation could prevent that. In the end people get to make up their own minds about what is similar and what is appropriate posology. Richard Knapp AITS - Reporting University of Missouri Locust Street Building Columbia, MO 65201 573-882-8856 knappr (AT) umsystem (DOT) edu -----Original Message----- From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com [mailto:homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Kerry Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 AM To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com Subject: RE: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan Though I disagree with the sentiments of the people who are complaining about the use of homeopathy, I do believe that homeopathy within veterinary practice within the UK should be regulated in some way. Any vet can pick up a few books on homeopathy and start practicing with no real knowledge of the subject. Because they are a vet, people immediately assume that they will know what they are doing and will help their animals. Here are just three examples of homeopathic practice by vets in the UK that I have come across: A cat given Merc-cor dry dose, twice daily for five years. A dog that was on 13 different homeopathic remedies a day, by the time it died. A cat that was put on Silica and a nosode to be given daily in dry dose; as the cat got worse and worse the owner was told to continue with the treatment. This owner became friends with me and I put her onto a Classical Hom who cured the cat in two months with minimal dosage. It is unfair that because someone is a vet they can practice homeopathy without any formal training and yet someone who is not a vet but who is properly trained and competent, can not treat an animal. Once again profits before the welfare of animals. Kerry > -----Original Message----- > From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com [mailto:homeopathy- > bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken > Sent: 21 June 2006 16:11 > To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com; homeopathy_open (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com; > minutus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com > Subject: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5093572.stm > Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > A group of vets has said they are concerned by European Commission > proposals to legitimise the use of homeopathic remedies for animals. > In an open letter to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, the > group says there is no clinical evidence that homeopathy works. > > The vets have signed the letter to the RCVS, calling for it to > increase support for conventional medicine. > > The RCVS has said it does not take a stance either way on homeopathy. > > Professor Derek Knottenbelt, from the University of Liverpool, is > spokesman for the group of forty concerned vets, professors and veterinary > nurses. > > He told BBC Radio Four's Farming Today programme that homeopathic > treatments had not gone through the rigorous clinical trials of conventional > medicines. > > "Homeopathic medicine, in the broadest sense of the word, is unproven, > unscientific, and unvalidated," he said. > > "In any sense of the word it is an unjustified approach to an ill > animal." > > Alternative treatment > > The RCVS says it only registers qualified vets and it is up to them > whether or not they practise homeopathic medicine alongside their > conventional treatments. > > Its president, Lynn Hill said: "At the present time the Royal College > does believe very strongly in clinical choice both for the veterinary > surgeon and also the client." > > Homeopathy is the treatment of 'like with like', its supporters say. > Minute doses of substances that can cause signs of illness in a healthy > person are used to treat the same symptoms in a sick patient. > > Some homeopathic practitioners dilute the dose so much that no > molecules remain of the substance being diluted - believing that the > solution retains a "memory" or imprint" of the substance. > > The vets who are objecting to homeopathic treatment say none of the > remedies have gone through the rigorous clinical trials that usual medicines > have to. > > Animal welfare risk > > Dr Simon Baker, a vet from Essex who signed the letter told the BBC: > "Our main concern is that homeopathy is unlikely to benefit animals. > > "Very little work has been done with homeopathy and animals at all. > The main risk is that if anything does not go well their welfare has > suffered. > > "There is the potential for things to get worse and worse and > homeopathy has the potential to provide explanations for all outcomes, > whether things get better or worse. > > "If an animal does get worse then it's not had the opportunity to have > treatment that might have made them better. > > "As vets, it's not our obligation to take regard of the owner's choice > if that choice is not for the benefit of the animal's welfare." > > 'Great strength' > > But vet John Saxton, president of the faculty of homeopathy at the > Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, told BBC News homeopathy was only > used, > where appropriate, as an "additional tool" in conjunction with conventional > medicine. > > It was backed up by "basic research, evidence and scientific > theories," he added. > > But its "great strength" was the ability to approach medical problems > from "an entirely different point of view". > > Carl Barton, farm manager for the Goodwood Estate in West Sussex, > told > Farming Today that homeopathy works. > > "What one's got to remember is that these beasts we rely on for our > livelihood," he said. > > "So we're not going to do anything lightly. So we treat them with > homeopathy, and it works very well. My herd is case proven." > > > > -------------------------------------------------- > ------------------ > Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath > Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours (worldwide) > Vaccination Information & Choice Network > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm > http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm > homeopathycures (AT) tesco (DOT) net > ONLINE Introduction to Homeopathy Classes > ONLINE Introduction to Vaccine Dangers Classes > Voicemail US 530-740-0561 UK phone from US 011-44-1874-624-936 > > > > ______________________________ > _________________ > Homeopathy Mailing List > homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com > http://lists.homeolist.com/mailman/listinfo/homeopathy > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 > -- No virus found in this outgoing message. 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Though regulation couldn't stop vet homs from using any posology they
wanted, it could at least ensure that they had taken some formal training in homeopathy. Kerry > -----Original Message----- > From: Knapp, Richard [mailto:KnappR (AT) umsystem (DOT) edu] > Sent: 21 June 2006 18:55 > To: Kerry; homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com > Subject: RE: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan > > > It is a shame when homeopathy is misused. I know a woman who has breast > cancer and her "homeopath" prescribed carsinosinum 200c once daily. I'm > not sure how any sort of regulation could prevent that. In the end > people get to make up their own minds about what is similar and what is > appropriate posology. > > Richard Knapp > AITS - Reporting > University of Missouri > Locust Street Building > Columbia, MO 65201 > 573-882-8856 > knappr (AT) umsystem (DOT) edu -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: 16/06/2006 |
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Regulation of homeopathic veterinary practice... An interesting idea. Maybe
we could first regulate conventional veterinary practice, and save animals from over-vaccination, routine antibiotics, expensive drugs, and - -SLAP!- Oh. I must have been dreaming. Seriously, though, it's my considered opinion that Those In Power who are wanting to regulate homeopathy, those who are saying that it is "unproven, unscientific, and unvalidated" want to suppress and really eliminate the practice of homeopathy. The outright lies such as "Very little work has been done with homeopathy and animals at all" are a thin veil for their true intentions. The statement: "If an animal does get worse then it's not had the opportunity to have treatment that might have made them better" implies that it's rare if an animal gets worse with conventional treatment. Oh, but THEIR explanations when that happens are always believable, at least to them. The clincher is this statement: "As vets, it's not our obligation to take regard of the owner's choice if that choice is not for the benefit of the animal's welfare." Oh, really? Who decides if the choice is for the benefit of the animal's welfare? Those In Power, of course. Think vaccination and antibiotics, folks. It's all there, plain as day. At least, thus far, with conventional (human) medicine, *I* have the right to decide if *I* will accept a certain recommended treatment. I suppose there are those who would eliminate that right. At 12:54 PM 6/21/2006 -0500, you wrote: > >It is a shame when homeopathy is misused. I know a woman who has breast >cancer and her "homeopath" prescribed carsinosinum 200c once daily. I'm >not sure how any sort of regulation could prevent that. In the end >people get to make up their own minds about what is similar and what is >appropriate posology. Amen. > >Richard Knapp >AITS - Reporting >University of Missouri >Locust Street Building >Columbia, MO 65201 >573-882-8856 >knappr (AT) umsystem (DOT) edu > > >-----Original Message----- >From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com >[mailto:homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Kerry >Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 11:34 AM >To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com >Subject: RE: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan > >Though I disagree with the sentiments of the people who are complaining >about the use of homeopathy, I do believe that homeopathy within >veterinary practice within the UK should be regulated in some way. Any >vet can pick up a few books on homeopathy and start practicing with no >real knowledge of the subject. Because they are a vet, people >immediately assume that they will know what they are doing and will help >their animals. Here are just three examples of homeopathic practice by >vets in the UK that I have come across: > >A cat given Merc-cor dry dose, twice daily for five years. >A dog that was on 13 different homeopathic remedies a day, by the time >it died. >A cat that was put on Silica and a nosode to be given daily in dry dose; >as the cat got worse and worse the owner was told to continue with the >treatment. This owner became friends with me and I put her onto a >Classical Hom who cured the cat in two months with minimal dosage. > >It is unfair that because someone is a vet they can practice homeopathy >without any formal training and yet someone who is not a vet but who is >properly trained and competent, can not treat an animal. Once again >profits before the welfare of animals. > >Kerry > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com [mailto:homeopathy- >> bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of Sheri Nakken >> Sent: 21 June 2006 16:11 >> To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com; homeopathy_open (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com; >> minutus (AT) yahoogroups (DOT) com >> Subject: [H] Vets protest over homeopathy plan >> >> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/5093572.stm >> Vets protest over homeopathy plan >> >> A group of vets has said they are concerned by European >Commission >> proposals to legitimise the use of homeopathic remedies for animals. >> In an open letter to the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons, >the >> group says there is no clinical evidence that homeopathy works. >> >> The vets have signed the letter to the RCVS, calling for it to >> increase support for conventional medicine. >> >> The RCVS has said it does not take a stance either way on >homeopathy. >> >> Professor Derek Knottenbelt, from the University of Liverpool, >is >> spokesman for the group of forty concerned vets, professors and >veterinary >> nurses. >> >> He told BBC Radio Four's Farming Today programme that >homeopathic >> treatments had not gone through the rigorous clinical trials of >conventional >> medicines. >> >> "Homeopathic medicine, in the broadest sense of the word, is >unproven, >> unscientific, and unvalidated," he said. >> >> "In any sense of the word it is an unjustified approach to an >ill >> animal." >> >> Alternative treatment >> >> The RCVS says it only registers qualified vets and it is up to >them >> whether or not they practise homeopathic medicine alongside their >> conventional treatments. >> >> Its president, Lynn Hill said: "At the present time the Royal >College >> does believe very strongly in clinical choice both for the veterinary >> surgeon and also the client." >> >> Homeopathy is the treatment of 'like with like', its supporters >say. >> Minute doses of substances that can cause signs of illness in a >healthy >> person are used to treat the same symptoms in a sick patient. >> >> Some homeopathic practitioners dilute the dose so much that no >> molecules remain of the substance being diluted - believing that the >> solution retains a "memory" or imprint" of the substance. >> >> The vets who are objecting to homeopathic treatment say none of >the >> remedies have gone through the rigorous clinical trials that usual >medicines >> have to. >> >> Animal welfare risk >> >> Dr Simon Baker, a vet from Essex who signed the letter told the >BBC: >> "Our main concern is that homeopathy is unlikely to benefit animals. >> >> "Very little work has been done with homeopathy and animals at >all. >> The main risk is that if anything does not go well their welfare has >> suffered. >> >> "There is the potential for things to get worse and worse and >> homeopathy has the potential to provide explanations for all outcomes, >> whether things get better or worse. >> >> "If an animal does get worse then it's not had the opportunity >to have >> treatment that might have made them better. >> >> "As vets, it's not our obligation to take regard of the owner's >choice >> if that choice is not for the benefit of the animal's welfare." >> >> 'Great strength' >> >> But vet John Saxton, president of the faculty of homeopathy at >the >> Royal London Homeopathic Hospital, told BBC News homeopathy was only >> used, >> where appropriate, as an "additional tool" in conjunction with >conventional >> medicine. >> >> It was backed up by "basic research, evidence and scientific >> theories," he added. >> >> But its "great strength" was the ability to approach medical >problems >> from "an entirely different point of view". >> >> Carl Barton, farm manager for the Goodwood Estate in West >Sussex, >> told >> Farming Today that homeopathy works. >> >> "What one's got to remember is that these beasts we rely on for >our >> livelihood," he said. >> >> "So we're not going to do anything lightly. So we treat them >with >> homeopathy, and it works very well. My herd is case proven." >> >> >> >> -------------------------------------------------- >> ------------------ >> Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Hahnemannian Homeopath >> Well Within & Earth Mysteries & Sacred Site Tours (worldwide) >> Vaccination Information & Choice Network >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/vaccine.htm >> http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm >> homeopathycures (AT) tesco (DOT) net >> ONLINE Introduction to Homeopathy Classes >> ONLINE Introduction to Vaccine Dangers Classes >> Voicemail US 530-740-0561 UK phone from US 011-44-1874-624-936 >> >> >> >> ______________________________ >> _________________ >> Homeopathy Mailing List >> homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com >> http://lists.homeolist.com/mailman/listinfo/homeopathy >> >> -- >> No virus found in this incoming message. >> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >> Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: >16/06/2006 >> > >-- >No virus found in this outgoing message. >Checked by AVG Free Edition. >Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.0/368 - Release Date: >16/06/2006 > > > |
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