Dear Martha

There is a surgeon (allopath from india) works in LA calif. He routinely recomends the use of arnica pre/post surgery on all his patients.
My self,family and my patients have all used pre/post surgery arnica,help the healing,the shock to the body via surgery is helped by arnica,and yes the physical bruising/bleeding.

Regards your brothers kidney surgery,has he been under care of a trained classical homeopath? I have posted this before regards my own kidney problems as a child (born with bad kidneys,one was lost )But because of homeopathics i am still alive,no transplant, no pain,no infections fully healed for decades now.
You might want to take him to a trained homeopath if you havent done so already.
Gina Tyler

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Hi Barb,


On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, e.mainz (AT) att (DOT) net wrote:

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>
> Since I wrote in, I have asked my surgeon about all of this, Luise.
> He is basically ok with any post-surgery homeopathics, just no
> pre-surgery homeopathics. My surgery will be hand-assisted
> laparoscopic, which involves filling the abdomen with carbon dioxide
> (and incision above and below the navel). A major discomfort
> following surgery, I'm told, is getting rid of all that CO 2.
> Using lycopodium for that and bellis for the deep tissue trauma
> interest me at this point, but I look forward to hearing what your
> thoughts are.
>

I had a laparoscopic removal of the gall bladder.

I found Staphisagria very helpful for getting rid of that bloatedness.

Regards

Luise



> Thanks so much for your insights!
>
> Barb
>
>
>
>
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>

In a message dated 2/10/2006 12:35:51 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
tmrmartha (AT) allstream (DOT) net writes:

The second reason I'm interested in your story is that I too might be facing
a transplant - my brother is a kidney transplant patient and his original
transplanted kidney may not last. I am his only sibling so I might be in your
position one day too. I have discussed transplant surgery with my homeopath
extensively and we discussed arnica before and after surgery (among other
remedies). I agree with Dana Ullman on the arnica. In fact I took it right
before and after my C-section 17 years ago and my healing was terrific. The
surgeon was amazed and had heard of arnica, but never seen it in action, so to
speak.



Arnica a day before , minutes before and immediately after in the recovery
room meant that
I didn't use any medication other than arnica, staphysagria and bellis
following major surgery
a few years ago.
best,
bonnie

Hi Robert,


On Wed, 8 Feb 2006, Robert Medhurst wrote:

> Hi Luise
>
> Can you give me a reference for your point about arnica increasing bleeding?

No reference except that of the Homeopathic Principle - which I do
agree with - but in a qualified manner.

Actually it touches one of the basic tenets of homeopathy.

The reasoning was (summarized)

********
Arnica has a relationship to capillaries, as any MM shows. Arnica is
indicated by trauma of soft tissue where blood has exuded into the
surrounding tissue. It will not be problematic in every or even most
cases of prophylactic taking before operations or such, but may be for
some people - just as not everyone gets the same symptoms from
provings or any at all, only some do.
****************

In addition there were quite a few reports of personal experience from
the list members, some very well founded (you know my sceptical
approach to such kinds of reports) where prophylactic taking of Arnica
seems to have increased the bleeding (mostly the reports were from
tooth extrations and other major dental work). There also were reports
of Arnica proph. having been very positively effective.

There was something else the poster on the German list said about the
"Principles of Homeopathy and Arnica" where I do not agree:

****************

Arnica is a remedy that can cause capillary bleeding in healthy
provers

**********

Well, it so happens that apparently it isn't. This symptom has never
appeared in the provings - it is a "cured symptom" and nothing else -
was such even at the time of Hahnemann and probably eons before (he
refers to it in his introduction, afair).

> This has previously been shown not to be the case (Baillargeon, Drouin,
> Desjardins, Leroux, Audet. The Effects of Arnica montana on Blood
> Coagulation. Canadian Family Physician, Nov 1993, 39, 2362-2367)

You would not happen to have this as a file, would you now?:-) I would
love to have it.

and I've
> found no evidence of this either.
>

Well, I personally do consider it a risk. Perhaps worth taking for
dental work, where increased bleeding would be a nuisance, not more -
not worth taking for the kinds of surgery where it could have serious
negative consequences. This the surgeon could tell, with or without
referring to Arnica - one might e.g. ask whether it is ok to take
Aspirin the day before for one's habitual headache. Hanging it up like
this, there would be no bias one way or other to influence the
surgeon's answer.

I doubt that the positive effects reported are due to taking the
remedy "before" surgery - taking it after the danger of increased
bleeding has passed, should bring about the same effects (if any - to
me Arnica seems to do nothing whatsoever any occasion)

Regards

Luise

> Regards
> Robert
>
>
> Luise Kunkle wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Barb,
>>
>> the poster and readers on this list are preominantly "classical"
>> homeopaths, and we do not have the necessary knowledge and experience to
>> evaluate the kind of homeopathic treatment you are talking about.
>>
>> This said:
>>
>> 1.
>> I have read that it is not a good idea to give Arnica before an operation,
>> since it has been shown that it can increase the bleeding.
>>
>> 2.
>> I wonder whether it is a good idea to give or take anything before an
>> operation without the knowledge of the surgeon/anethesist etc. Esp.
>> remedies from alternative medicine might not be a good idea; if anything
>> should happen on account of them during the operation, the doctors will
>> not have any expertise to deal with it.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Luise
>>
>>
>> On Mon, 6 Feb 2006, e.mainz (AT) att (DOT) net wrote:
>>
>> > Hello to all of you,
>> >
>> > I am new to the list and wondering if anyone can help me with a
>> > question.
>> >
>> > I am scheduled to donate a kidney to my 19 yr. old son on February 28.
>> > My homeopath has prescribed several homeopathic remedies for my son and
>> > I pre-and post-surgery. Specifically, arnica prior, bryonia, bellis, and
>> > calendula on the day of surgery and for a few days following, ipecac and
>> > hypericum if needed after surgery, and thiosin. 1 week post surgery for
>> > several months.
>> >
>> > Someone has suggested to me that homeopathics might "irritate" the
>> > kidney I will be donating
>> > or in some way interfere with the immunosuppression my son will need.
>> >
>> > Is this a subject that has come up before? If I should avoid
>> > homeopathics prior to surgery, I would appreciate hearing from anyone
>> > with knowledge and experience here.
>> >
>> > Thanks very much!
>> > Barb
>>>

Thanks Gina! I agree arnica is a miracle remedy after surgery.

Martha
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>
> Dear Martha
>
> There is a surgeon (allopath from india) works in LA calif. He
> routinely recomends the use of arnica pre/post surgery on all his
> patients.
> My self,family and my patients have all used pre/post surgery
> arnica,help the healing,the shock to the body via surgery is helped by
> arnica,and yes the physical bruising/bleeding.
>
> Gina Tyler
>
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Hi,
I have an idea that I never used.

Taking the same constitutional drug of your son by you as well as him on 3
successive nights prior to surgery shall restrain the graft vs host response
and in case the constitutional smm of your son
is not known, Alumina 30 may be used in its place. It is "the confusion of
identity" that we need to exploit in such cases, I believe.

with best wishes,
V.T.Yekkirala.




----Original Message Follows----
From: e.mainz (AT) att (DOT) net
To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
Subject: [H] Using homeopathics pre-and post-transplant surgery
Date: Mon, 06 Feb 2006 19:31:43 +0000

Hello to all of you,

I am new to the list and wondering if anyone can help me with a question.

I am scheduled to donate a kidney to my 19 yr. old son on February 28. My
homeopath has prescribed several homeopathic remedies for my son and I
pre-and post-surgery. Specifically, arnica prior, bryonia, bellis, and
calendula on the day of surgery and for a few days following, ipecac and
hypericum if needed after surgery, and thiosin. 1 week post surgery for
several months.

Someone has suggested to me that homeopathics might "irritate" the kidney I
will be donating
or in some way interfere with the immunosuppression my son will need.

Is this a subject that has come up before? If I should avoid homeopathics
prior to surgery, I would appreciate hearing from anyone with knowledge and
experience here.

Thanks very much!
Barb

Julian Winston said that Raphanus (homeopathic radish) was the thing to take
to relieve post-operative bloatedness. Teresa (in snowy VA)



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Hi Barb,


On Fri, 10 Feb 2006, e.mainz (AT) att (DOT) net wrote:

cut
>
> Since I wrote in, I have asked my surgeon about all of this, Luise.
> He is basically ok with any post-surgery homeopathics, just no
> pre-surgery homeopathics. My surgery will be hand-assisted
> laparoscopic, which involves filling the abdomen with carbon dioxide
> (and incision above and below the navel). A major discomfort
> following surgery, I'm told, is getting rid of all that CO 2.
> Using lycopodium for that and bellis for the deep tissue trauma
> interest me at this point, but I look forward to hearing what your
> thoughts are.
>

I had a laparoscopic removal of the gall bladder.

I found Staphisagria very helpful for getting rid of that bloatedness.

Regards

Luise



> Thanks so much for your insights!
>
> Barb
>
>
>
>
> -------------- Original message from homeopathy-request@homeolist
>

Hi V.T.--

Wow. A very interesting idea. Thanks for sharing.

The same practitioner I've mentioned before prescribed merc.viv as a constitutional for my son.
He was also taking plumbum met for the scarring going on in his kidneys. Both ended after a few months, though, due to some possibly related problems with dialysis---a kind of sluggish or restrained blood flow that corrected after stopping these remedies. I might be interested in restarting one or both following transplant but of course all meds must be approved by the transplant surgeons---which makes it difficult.

Barb