dear homeolist,

this is in continuation of my post on the LM experiments that I am doing.
(I had sent the previous post as a letter addressed to dr luc de schepper. sending this post as CC to dr luc, like the previous post)

I would like to state that while the 4 oz. remedy solution-dilution glass system remains my standard, at the moment - I am interested in further experiments.
I look forward to the homeopathic community to let me know what they feel.

the footnote of aph. 248 mentions the remedy solutions of different sizes. herein hahnemann talks about the 7-8 tablespoon remedy solution and the dilution glass to "obviate" the use of the larger solutions. however, I feel that a method that can eliminate bottle-glass-dilution water-spoon-measurement-sterilization/disposable glasses and spoons etc. may be more patient friendly in the modern times. with these ideas in mind I am trying the larger solutions, as mentioned by hahnemann to "obviate" the use of the bottle-glasses.

I feel hahnemann has given enough of a guideline here also, when he talks about 40, 30, 20, 15, 8 table spoon of remedy solution. unlike the glass-bottle system where hahnemann talks about the second..third.. dilution glass, here the adjustment is done in the remedy solution size itself. I started my experiments with the 40 tbsp (600 ml) solution and now I also want to try the 20 tbsp (300 ml) which is the median solution size in the range given by hahnemann from 600 ml (40 tbsp) to 120 ml (8 tbsp). here I got the impression that 600 ml is for the hypersensitives and 120 ml for the most gross hyposensitives. for even more hypersensitives there is always the option of doing a 'second bottle dilution' or even go for olfaction.

I think the single bottle approach gives enough room for the adjustment of all variables and also eliminates the short cut (the glasses and the spoons). moreover, here the doctor is the pharmacist and the patient needs to do little.
and above all, it is strictly hahnemannian.

I do not know whether anyone has worked with the single bottle approach and seen the clinical results.

as far as the shaking / succussion is concerned - of course, succussion is far superior / standard / hahnemannian. however, succussing a big bottle is troublesome. I re-read the aph. 247 footnote and found that hahnemann talks about "standing undisturbed" remedy solution as the un-deviated (not modified) dose and he mentions the importance of "thorough modification". such as thorough modification is done by giving strokes. however, what I intend to find out is the extent to which the remedy solution is modified by vigourous shaking. surely shaking is also a deviation from the "standing undisturbed" state / "different form" ....I would like to study these matters.

I may need to go back to the strokes and the bottle-dilution glass but I would like to try the single bottle approach.

I also want to try stroking (not shaking) a 500 ml bottle with a 300 ml solution and giving 1 teaspoon dose.

I have selected 3 patients with different sensitivities (who need the same remedy) and would try my experiments on them. I began my experiments with myself.

I would love to hear from dr luc (now or later, depending on his time) and also david little on my ideas. I shall feel blessed if dr luc would point out the defects in my thinking.

with best regards,
dr manish agarwala


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Dear Dr Manish

Before Hahnemann penned down his instructions about LMs in his 6th edition, he hads experimented with this for the last 12 years of his life. I am sure he tried everything and every method you can conceive. However his standard solution was the one dfescribed in the 6th editioon; 4 0z bottles (8TBS) , an amount of succussions according to A281, and then 1 tsp or less in 4 oz cup, and 1 tsp , or less from first cup. The bottle-cup methos is essential if one does not want to get into problems management wise. You might get away with the fiorst dose but unless you are very skilled in management, you will get quickly similar aggravationms if the remedy is correct and worse if not. I have worked in the slums of Nairobi and in villages in Kenya far removed from civilization. There were no amber bottles, any container will do, but it was also not difficult to do the cup-bottle method, even there. I have NEVER had to use bottles more than 8 oz, so the problem with succussions is not a problem and indeed stirring, or shaking is NOT the same as succussions.

But if you do management well you will see that you can do almost anything as long as you adjust the dose (in frequency and amount) when you run into trouble. One must keep in mind of course that similar aggravations are slowing down the healing process not accelerating and you might lose your patient who gets tired of feeling one day better and the next day crashing. But I am curious to see what you will find out with your testing

Warmest regards
Dr luc