Dear colleagues,

1) can anyone let me know the average size of the remedy solution / dilution glass and other details of the LM posology, as followed by dr luc de schepper.


2) I read an interview by dr schepper on his website, where he states that he uses the water potencies (low centesimals; 6, 12, 30) for chronic cases and LMs for acutes. As far as I know, hahnemann used the higher centesimals (198C, 199C, 200C) and the LMs for chronic cases. Dr murphy says that he tends to use the 30C and 200C for acutes and LMs for his chronic cases. I think the chronic cases are better handled with LMs. Dr schepper’s thinking is not very clear to me. Can anyone comment on this?


3) dr harimohun chowdhury used LMs and only LMs for all his cases – acute as well as chronic. I have worked with high kentian potencies upto CM (and high aggravations!) in the manner as taught by prof. Vithoulkas. I have also worked with LMs. I confess that I do not have any experience with the water potencies (6C, 12 C, 30C in water) but feel that the LMs may be far superior to the centesimal water potencies. I wonder why dr schepper or dr murphy needs the water potencies. Can anyone comment on this? Of course I understand that some cases are more suitable for centesimals and in some cases (where LM 0/1 aggravates) it may be necessary to use the lower centesimals. However, as a general average standard, I feel, the LMs are far better that the lower centesimals. Any comments?



I would feel blessed to hear from someone who has learnt directly from dr schepper.



Regards,

Dr manish agarwala

Hi DR Agarwala

In reading Dr Lucs latest Achieving and Maintaining it is clear that he uses LMs for chronic cases and 6c 30c or 200c split dose/watery solutions for acutes and or skin diseases(high in acute, low in chronic) . He recomends starting with an LM1 in most cases and using a test dose (the Lm given once) and waiting a week or so before confirming the daily repetition. The remedy solution bottle being 4 or 8oz and using 2 - 10 succusions depending on the sensitivity of the patient. One tsp in 4oz of water, stirred and one tsp from 1st , 2nd , or 3rd .. cup as the dose. I have used the split dose method with some success for cases in which I couldnt get LMs.
I think the watery split dose or LMs are perhaps in their eyes ultimately "more" Hahnemannian than the dry dose?

Regards
MHill HD

dear colleague (matt hill),

thanks a lot for sharing information on the luc de shepper method.

do you have any information on the use of larger remedy bottle solutions (larger than 8 oz.? has anyone tried a 40 tbsp (600 ml) remedy solution?

best wishes,
dr manish

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Originally Posted by Matt In reading Dr Lucs latest Achieving and Maintaining it is clear that he uses LMs for chronic cases and 6c 30c or 200c split dose/watery solutions for acutes and or skin diseases(high in acute, low in chronic) .

He primarily uses 6C water potencies and rarely LM's anymore in my contact with his students and his book. That is also what I use. Rarely need to get to LM - start with 6C.

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Originally Posted by Matt He reccomends starting with an LM1 in most cases and using a test dose (the Lm given once) and waiting a week or so before confirming the daily repetition. The remedy solution bottle being 4 or 8oz and using 2 - 10 succusions depending on the sensitivity of the patient.

That is not my understanding. He starts with 6C in water potency and then as you say.

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Originally Posted by Matt One tsp in 4oz of water, stirred and one tsp from 1st , 2nd , or 3rd .. cup as the dose. I have used the split dose method with some success for cases in which I couldnt get LMs. I think the watery split dose or LMs are perhaps in their eyes ultimately "more" Hahnemannian than the dry dose?

Yes, they are more Hahnemannian as he practiced towards the end of his life after seeing too many aggravations and wanting to make the cure as gentle as possible.

Sheri

Far gentler. Can determine within a few days, in most cases, if it is the right remedy. Can also determine sensitivity. Can make the cure gentler rather than having many aggravations. Encourage you to get his book.

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Originally Posted by manish Can anyone comment on this? Of course I understand that some cases are more suitable for centesimals and in some cases (where LM 0/1 aggravates) it may be necessary to use the lower centesimals.

I start with the lowest -6C and since I've been doing this have never needed to go as high as LM, only 12C.

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Originally Posted by manish However, as a general average standard, I feel, the LMs are far better that the lower centesimals. Any comments?

Not true in my experience. I used to use them more. Starting with 6C has made all the difference in my short time using this.

I haven't studied with him, only his books and from another homeopath who studied with him.

Email him directly. His address is on his webpage.

Start using them the way he describes

Achieving and Maintaining the Simillimum is the most recent book that shows how he is practicing and teaching now.

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

Thought I'd share this. This came to me initially from homeopath treating my mother who has studied intensively with Dr. Luc
It is working well for me

this is primarily for chronic conditions..............starting with 6C for chronic adults; sometimes higher for kids; for acutes - higher potencies

If you are using for acutes it would be similar, though you probably will just take from the bottle you have mixed and NOT put in a cup and not take 1 tsp from that cup as below.

to make the initial bottle 4 oz or 8 oz (for those more sensitive) - I used 1/2 brandy and 1/2 pure water and then ONLY 1 pillule of remedy

Instructions for Taking Your Homeopathic Remedy:

1. Succuss the bottle each time before taking a dose: that is, hit the bottle against the palm of your hand or a leather-bound book _____ times. Give it a good hard whack from a distance of about 2 feet.

2. Take _________ from the bottle and put it in a cup with 4 oz. of water (Dosage Cup). (Ideally the water should be distilled or filtered or bottled pure spring water but tap water is acceptable if that is all you have). Stir vigorously with a spoon. Use a plastic cup and spoon which you will only use for this remedy, not for food or for other remedies. Label the cup.
3. Take ______ from the Dosage Cup/Bottle every __________hours/days/weeks.
4. Discard the rest of the water in the cup. NEVER DRINK THE WHOLE CUP. Do not save it overnight. You need to make a new cup the next time you are instructed to take a dose, after succussing the remedy bottle again. Otherwise you will not be following the methodical and systematic progression of potencies which are part of this healing system, and you may interfere with the progress of your cure.
5. If this is a first time dose, call Sheri in _______ hours/days, to let her know how you reacted to the remedy. She will call you back with instructions for further dosing.

Special Precautions:
· Try to keep it out of direct sunlight and away from heat (eg. NOT in the glove compartment of your car on a hot day). Avoid having it x-rayed when traveling.
· Do not eat or drink anything for 20 minutes before or after taking your remedy. Also avoid taking around the time you brush your teeth
· Coffee may alter the effects of the remedy. Drinking coffee may antidote the remedy. Tea is acceptable as are other caffeine-containing foods like cola and chocolate.
· If you have symptoms related to your menstrual cycle, don't start a new remedy while having PMS or during your menstrual cycle, as your symptoms may aggravate


Some of things I use to guide me - don't give this to the patients right away - later may give these instructions when they are in progress if not cured or shifted with first few doses and we are trying to find optimum dosage and frequency
a. If you notice significant improvement (50% or more) at any time, STOP taking the remedy, and call me
b. If you notice an aggravation at any time, stop taking the remedy, and call me.
c. If you notice the return of an old symptom, stop taking the remedy and call me.
d. If you develop a symptom you've NEVER had before, stop taking the remedy and call me
e. If there is no change, you may continue to take one dose of the remedy every other day in the same way
f. If I am not available and you don't know what to do, STOP taking the remedy.

Sheri,

What you say below about Dr Luc's now primarily using or teaching the use of 6C vs. that of LMs is interesting. I have not been in touch with him since I took a few years of classes with him, but that ended about 4 years ago so his practice or teaching may have changed since then.

When I learned from him, and in his books as Dr Agarwala commented in the original message, Dr Luc certainly feels that the LM are very worth using as they are both deep acting and give the practitioner a lot of choice in individualizing the dose.

I know that at the early stages of the class he did encourage students to first start treatment of chronic cases using repeated 6C doses, because that potency generally causes slower reactions and changes, so for a beginner it is easier to handle. Also, there are certainly cases where an experienced practitioner might choose either 6Cs or high single potencies over LM depending on the case, nature and pace of the disease, the capability of the patient to follow directions and so forth.

It would be interesting to me if Luc has come to use LMs less frequently than he used to, while he certainly is someone who continues to learn and adjust what he does accordingly, his experience in the time I interacted with him led him to speak very highly of the correct use of LMs.

Eric

I may have spoken out of turn. I do not presume to speak for Dr. Luc. It is my understanding from reading the book, reading his articles, talking to other of his students who are practitioners.

Maybe we could get a clarification from him.
Also I may type in the section in the book where he explains better than I.

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

From what I infer from Dr Luc, the exceptions for not using LM s are the nosodes which he uses in 200c and sometimes 1m. But there is a scenario when the nosode is a similimum and an LM may be required. Others may have similar experiences

Venkat

Hi


With all due respect what I have taken from this book Achieving and Maintaining.. is we that we are admonished to use the LMs. The 6c in water being indicated for the highly sensitive patient as a starting point. He seems to make it quite clear that this is Hahnemanns ultimate method because of its flexibility . He even highlights the reasons why LMs are prefered over the split dose. Did I miss something ?

P.S .maybe I spoke too generally in my first message regarding his recommendation for the water potencies being reserved for acutes, Obviously that isnt the case. However I could not find a context where the watery doses would be chosen over LMs aside from the exeptions Ive already stated. Its sort of a gray area.

Thank you
MHill HD