Much more if you research Natural Hygiene or do a search on +shelton+germ+theory

"The cold, hard truth is that viruses and bacteria do not cause disease. Most diseases are actually body-initiated detoxifications for purposes of regaining balance within the body, and it is when the symptoms of these diseases are stifled that true sicknesses such as AIDS, cancer, and aging occur. The more the body is forced to store toxic substances within its cells, joints, tissues, organs, and bones, the more the health of the body degrades, and this is the true cause of disease. Health is only created by healthy living, and the medical establishment does not offer the necessary tools you need to live healthily."

http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm

20-page excerpt from the book "Neohygiene" by Dan Hall


Do bacteria cause disease? Do viruses?

What if I told you that they didn't? Does HIV cause AIDS? Do immunizations prevent disease? Does anthrax, Ebola, E. Coli, the Hanta virus, smallpox, influenza, the West Nile virus, or any other so-called deadly pathogen cause sickness or pose any deadly threat whatsoever? What if I said the answers to all of these questions was no? What if I were to tell you that no matter how many sick people you come in contact with, you can't catch disease? Am I insane? Crazy? Nuts? The truth is, we've all been duped into believing a theory-the germ theory of disease-that just isn't true. We've all been tricked since birth into embracing the idea that when we are around someone who is sick, we can also become sick, regardless of how healthy we are at the time. Call it what you will-brainwashing, hypnosis, or whatever-this trickery runs so deep until we never notice all the times when we are around sick people and we don't catch their illnesses. We only remember the times when contagion appears to occur, and this only strengthens our belief in disease transmission. This belief, of course, is not true. We have been convinced of the existence of vampires and ghosts, and now, more than any other time in history, we must open our eyes and stop embracing the lies we are being told.

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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

As much as I like to agree with this, I find it dificult to do. Simply put, how did the plague devistate populations in the 13th and later centuries when there were no vaccines or any other type of scientific medical knowlege? Millions died, If not transferable bacteria/virus, then by what means?

regards

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Originally Posted by Sheri Much more if you research Natural Hygiene or do a search on +shelton+germ+theory "The cold, hard truth is that viruses and bacteria do not cause disease.

At this stage I am just wondering whether reports about the great epidemics of plague, smallpox, cholera, measles with the American Indians, common cold with the Eskimos etc. are a falsification of history (including the records in churches and other archives) by the modern pharma industry, virologists etc -- or is it rather that all through history, back to the middle ages, they had a lobby that did the falsifications right then?

Regards

Luise

Hi Sheri,

Of course I agree with the first paragraph below that "...*most* diseases are actually body-initiated...". But that is a completely different statement from saying that "germs have nothing to do with disease."

If germs have *nothing* to do with it, why (to pick only one among many possible examples) did my catbite wounds become so badly and rapidly inflamed, and why did appropriate antibiotics finally resolve the infection?

I agree with you that it's important not to overplay the role of "germs", and not to underplay the role of health. But that's entirely different from saying germs have *nothing* to do with it, and that is IMO a dangerous assertion, as well as going against much evidence.

As for the second paragraph, all it says is that he doesn't believe in germs, but he hasn't said what he *does* believe the cause of "disease" to be, so I assume he's trying to make the same point as the first paragraph?

Shannon

Dear Homeolist,

There are always extremes views in every field. The idea that microorganisms are the sole cause of disease is one extreme view. The idea that microorganisms do not have anything to do with disease is another extreme view. The "toxin theory" is also another extreme that is similar to the "materia peccans" refuted by Samuel Hahnemann. Many diseases have dynamic not physical causes per se. The outer environment and the inner human organism is a sea of microorganisms. To think of microorganisms as bad is an extreme view. To think that all microorganisms are good is an extreme view. We could not live without microorganisms yet not all microorganism are beneficial. The truth always is always found in the middle.

The proximate cause of disease is NOT based on a single cause alone. This includes infectious diseases which involve microorganisms. Hahnemann clearly taught that miasmic diseases involved miasmic microorganisms. He carefully recorded the moment of infection, the prodrome, primary symptoms, latent stages and secondary and tertiary states. This makes Hahnemann the Founder of modern epidemiology. To think that syphilis does not involve microorganisms or scabies involves no itch mites is not in touch with reality To think that the affects of infectious diseases only involve microorganisms is also not in touch with reality.

Hahnemann also noted that diseases to not affected everyone unless they are disposed or inclined to such a disease state. Infectious diseases involve predispositions and susceptibility related to the terrain of the host constitution. Infectious diseases also involve the level of virulency and nature of the exposure of the microorganisms as well as its degree of pathological potential in the human being. There are microorganism that are incompatible with the human organism and are extremely virulent. There are also microorganism that cause no pathology in a healthy terrain but contribute to disease in a unhealthy terrain and compromised immune system. When the inner terrain and outer conditions are right one may be susceptible to an infections that produce a set of symptoms and complications.

Changes in hygiene, diet, sanitation and the balance of the inner and outer environment are extremely important in preventing and curing infectious diseases. The "kill the germ" method is counter productive in the long run because it is toxic and leads to resistance and mutations that produce more deadly microorganism. Such medicines destroy the intestinal flora and lead to the proliferation and mutation of unhealthy microorganisms. The abuse of antiseptics, antibiotics, and other chemicals also weaken the human system of mass defense. Eating bad food, breathing bad air, and living a poor life style cause serious negative changes in the inner terrain. These then opens the constitution to outer pathogenic microorganisms. Therefore, it takes "two to tango".

Homeopathy does not directly "kill" anything. It balances the internal terrain, strengthens the immune system, and increases vitality. In the process it makes it impossible for pathological bacteria to proliferate while increases the number of healthy microorganisms. Once the inner terrain and vital energy are restored pathogenic microorganism cannot remain. So, in my opinion Hahnemannian Homoeopathy treads a middle path that does not fall into extreme views in regards to infectious diseases and microorganisms. It does not deny their existence nor does it ignore the importance of the inner terrain. Its method of treatment is based on harmonizing the vital force, balancing the inner terrain and increasing resistance and vitality. In this way, the infectious elements associated with the miasms are removed and reduces the chance of reinfection. This is the best of both worlds.

Those that think that the cause of all disease is "toxins" are not paying enough attention to the dynamic aspects of illness. The mind is also a great cause of diseases as are dynamic stresses associated with the outer world. They also do not understand epidemiology from the homeopathic perspective. Those that think disease is all in the mind are not paying attention to diet and environmental factors in the process of illness. A toxic environment and bad diet are also sources of disease. Much of the time, the proximate cause of an illness is based on what Hippocrates called an "aetiological constellation" which involves a number of factors that have come together according the time and circumstances. There is no one single isolated cause that is the source of any disease, including those involving miasmic microorganisms.

Myths in medicine cut in both directions. Let use practice the middle path free from extremes as best we can. I believe the Homoeopathic view offers such a solution.

Sincerely, David Little

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Originally Posted by Luise Quote: Originally Posted by Sheri "The cold, hard truth is that viruses and bacteria do not cause disease. At this stage I am just wondering whether reports about the great epidemics of plague, smallpox, cholera, measles with the American Indians, common cold with the Eskimos etc. are a falsification of history (including the records in churches and other archives) by the modern pharma industry, virologists etc -- or is it rather that all through history, back to the middle ages, they had a lobby that did the falsifications right then?

The "cold, hard truth"...

"The plain and simple truth is never plain and rarely simple."
Oscar Wilde

Could it be that >both< are "true"? There is often a strong urge in human mentation for things to be either "this" or "that," and to be unreasoningly categorical.

Not written by me but shared by me. I'm sure it is somewhere in between something. But this whole bacteria and viruses "CAUSING" disease is VERY greatly exaggerated at best and a lie at worst, as I've said.

http://www.rawschool.com/disease.htm

20-page excerpt from the book "Neohygiene"
by Dan Hall>

"The cold, hard truth is that viruses and bacteria do not cause disease. Most diseases are actually body-initiated detoxifications for purposes of regaining balance within the body, and it is when the symptoms of these diseases are stifled that true sicknesses such as AIDS, cancer, and aging occur. The more the body is forced to store toxic substances within its cells, joints, tissues, organs, and bones, the more the health of the body degrades, and this is the true cause of disease. Health is only created by healthy living, and the medical establishment does not offer the necessary tools you need to live healthily."


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Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

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Originally Posted by Sheri ... But this whole bacteria and viruses "CAUSING" disease is VERY greatly exaggerated at best and a lie at worst, as I've said.

I sure agree that's greatly exaggerated!!!! These days it's hard to buy a cleaning product that isn't "antibacterial"--one wonders how the billions of us have *survived* so many eons without them!

:-P