Hi,

Kent said that if you give Kali carb to a *weak* patient - it can kill him.

He said that in this case "to heal him is to kill him" (if you give Kali carb to this *weak* patient).

The patient is weak but clearly needs this rx. Other close or partial rx do not help him much.

Is there a way to overcome this difficulty? Maybe to give one dose of 6c potency and wait a long time? Other suggestions, please?

TIA

Rafy

Rehman says use cautiously in TB cases and gout especially in lower potencies!
He says there must be abscence of fever- only in exceptional circumstances must any potash salt be given where there is fever!
They are applicable only in conditions of weakness, soft pulse, coldness, general depression-never excitement, certainly not febrile excitement.

Not sure what your patients symptoms are but make of that what you may !

Olifaction.

1LM.

Hi

Kent was generally a high potency prescriber remember. Look to Hahnemann.
6c split, plussed, or LM. At the least in water, not dry.

MH

Hi Rafy,

I think it is the 'depth level' to where you want him cured. If he is weak patient and old, first try to palliate the immediate sufferings. Now don't use his innate and general symptoms to find the remedy. Once the pt has the strength to withstand the onslaught of the return of the old maladies which a similimum will bring , then you may start the larger picture Rx.

Another idea may be the chronic rx in LM. Kent did not know about it. The smooth amelioration and aggravation at the end of cure will suit this weak pt.

Regards
venkat

Except I think you'd want to time your re-doses "as needed" rather than on schedule. This way maybe you could avoid the aggravation part altogether, and move to next LM potency when the doses begin to act less fully? At least that approach has worked great for my (only a few) LM patients.

Kali carb is deep acting drug .When vital energy is low giving Kali carb in higher potency is very risky.During my earlier days of practice I gave a asthamatic woman Kalicarb 30 depending on asthama was eversince first pregnency.She got into severe weakness and fainted.She was hospitalised and remained for 3 days in hospital and all her pathological reports were normal.Drs could not diagnose .She was given few bottles of glucose through intravenous and she recovered after 3 days with out any other medicines.That was obviouly due to Kali carb. I learnt through hard way.There ae two methods I follow.
1 I give first Carbo veg 6 or 30 first ,wait for 5-6 days and Give Kalicarb .This is as per william Borickes advise in his materia medica.
2 I start with low potency like 6th ,wait for fewq days ,when symptoms relapse follow with 30 ,next 200 and Go on.This is also similar to LMs starting with lower and go UP.Even LMs one should not start higher.
Certainly Kent's advise is to be taken seriously

Hi


Thanks for sharing that Masoor.

MH

I find it very hard to go along with what you have written, masoor.
I use Kali c quite freely for fast relief from neuralgic and other pains and
I know many
who use it quite regularly.

Weakness/asthma are general symptoms alleviated by Kali salts and for it to
cause weakness
would indicate a proving. Application of Kali- c needs the same precautions
that any homeopathic
remedy does...no more.

Jeff Tikari
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>
> Kali carb is deep acting drug .When vital energy is low giving Kali carb
> in higher potency is very risky.During my earlier days of practice I
> gave a asthamatic woman Kalicarb 30 depending on asthama was eversince
> first pregnency.She got into severe weakness and fainted.She was
> hospitalised and remained for 3 days in hospital and all her
> pathological reports were normal.Drs could not diagnose .She was given
> few bottles of glucose through intravenous and she recovered after 3
> days with out any other medicines.That was obviouly due to Kali carb. I
> learnt through hard way.There ae two methods I follow.
> 1 I give first Carbo veg 6 or 30 first ,wait for 5-6 days and Give
> Kalicarb .This is as per william Borickes advise in his materia medica.
> 2 I start with low potency like 6th ,wait for fewq days ,when symptoms
> relapse follow with 30 ,next 200 and Go on.This is also similar to LMs
> starting with lower and go UP.Even LMs one should not start higher.
> Certainly Kent's advise is to be taken seriously
>
>
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Hi Jeff, others,

On Wed, 3 Aug 2005, j tikari wrote:

> I find it very hard to go along with what you have written, masoor.
> I use Kali c quite freely for fast relief from neuralgic and other pains and
> I know many
> who use it quite regularly.
>
> Weakness/asthma are general symptoms alleviated by Kali salts and for it to
> cause weakness
> would indicate a proving. Application of Kali- c needs the same precautions
> that any homeopathic
> remedy does...no more.
>
To expand:

It is, as far a s Iknow, generally known and accepted that all
homeopathic remedies at any potency* can cause aggravation, known in
German as "homeopathic first aggravation". In cases where such
aggravations may mean very severe conditions, even life-threatening
ones (as e.g. with heart-problems, severe asthma, late stages of any
pathology) extreme care is indeed needed.

How this "extreme" care is to be translated into choice of remedy or
potency - well, there really does not seem to be a generally accepted
answer.

In Germany, with most therapists, this answer seems to have been LM
potencies at 6 LM, 12 LM, 18 LM (depending on the therapist). They are
supposed to be the mildest, least prone to cause (this kind of)
aggravation. I do not know anything about the lower LM's, i.e. LM 1 -
to LM 5, since they are very rarely used here.

It really is regrettable that internationally there is not enough
interest in the extensive experience of German speaking/writing
authors who have been using the LM potencies for over 50 years now.
They obviously are not worth translating - a fate they share with
Hahnemann`s case books and the history of his treatment of a chronic
case over 10 years searched out of his casebooks, presented in his own
words.

To a German like myself, who can find in the bookstores, in Germany
translation, even the most piddling books on homeopathy written in
English, this must seem rather hard to understand:-)

Regards

Luise

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>>
>> Kali carb is deep acting drug .When vital energy is low giving Kali carb
>> in higher potency is very risky.During my earlier days of practice I
>> gave a asthamatic woman Kalicarb 30 depending on asthama was eversince
>> first pregnency.She got into severe weakness and fainted.She was
>> hospitalised and remained for 3 days in hospital and all her
>> pathological reports were normal.Drs could not diagnose .She was given
>> few bottles of glucose through intravenous and she recovered after 3
>> days with out any other medicines.That was obviouly due to Kali carb. I
>> learnt through hard way.There ae two methods I follow.
>> 1 I give first Carbo veg 6 or 30 first ,wait for 5-6 days and Give
>> Kalicarb .This is as per william Borickes advise in his materia medica.
>> 2 I start with low potency like 6th ,wait for fewq days ,when symptoms
>> relapse follow with 30 ,next 200 and Go on.This is also similar to LMs
>> starting with lower and go UP.Even LMs one should not start higher.
>> Certainly Kent's advise is to be taken seriously
>>
>>
>> --
>> masoor
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> masoor's Profile: http://www.otherhealth.com/members/masoor.html
>> View this thread: KALI CARBONICUM dangers
>>
>>