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Old 4th August 2005, 04:25 PM
HAFEEZ KHALID
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Dear Joe,

I do not intend to slight you in the least but even though you have many years of experience, I think you are seriously mistaken about your assumptions.

I have met several homeopaths over the last 7 - 8 years who have expressed their joy on "discovering" that a particular drug performs "consistently" in a certain clinical condition. I have always followed up these wonderful discoveries only to find out that there are also many cases where they "fail".

You have mentioned two drugs: Arnica and Natrum Phos, for insomnia and obesity, respectively. Let me share similar experiences that others have had:

1. Malaria Officinalis followed by Chinimum Sulphuricum (for Malaria)

2. Typhoidinum followed by Baptisia (for typhoid fever)

3. Spongia and Thyroidinum (for non-toxic goiter)

4. Aurum Metallicum, Lycopodium and Iodum (for short stature)

5. Glonoine and Lachesis (for hypertension)

6. Sulphur and chelidonium (poor appetite)

and many more..

Taking the first example, I know of at least 50 patients who were treated successfully only on the basis of a clinical diagnosis. But I also remember others who were not responsive to them.

The point is that these and other drugs will remarkably improve many patients with the aforementioned clinical conditions - so that one may erroneously conclude that a "cure" has been discovered.

But diseases may appear for different reasons in different people and with varying intensity and symptomatology. There is no known drug that will cure all people suffering from the same disease simply because so many variables are at work in the pathogenesis of an ailment.

I have repeated the "experiments" of many of my mentors only to confirm again and again that the "best of remedies" will "fail" because it is not indicated in a particular case.

The other point that you have not acceded to readily is even more important - the fact that harm can result because of prescribing solely on the basis of nomenclature.

You have also not considered the fact that many people who have never used arnica have lived long and healthy lives. The fact that you have taken it for years does not by itself lend any evidence of its salubrious effects. I may eat the same cereal for breakfast for 30 years and claim that it has prevented myocardial infarction. Lastly, a blood pressure in the normal range at your age is not as unusual as you seem to believe.

Regards,

Hafeez Khalid

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Old 5th August 2005, 05:31 PM
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Dear Hafeez,

I would please request you to visit the 2 threads detailed below to which I have posted a partial reply to your own questions to me.

Arnica Cures Eczema and Cellulitis
Arnica and Sleep

If after reading them you still feel that you requred a more detailed answer from me, I shall be glad to reply.

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Old 16th August 2005, 03:18 PM
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that Joe has an Arnica fixation.
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Old 16th August 2005, 04:09 PM
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Default Thank you for the compliment Passkey, even though it is rather late in the day.

I would please request you to read the thread that I have copied from the ABC Forum which confirms another use for Arnica which I had discovered a few months ago but could not repeat for want of confirmation up to now, till I had more than 2 positive responses. I now have the 3rd positive response and would suggest that you and other homeopaths who read this post prescribe it to their patients to verify if more people with ED can report positive responses.

You will see that Arnica 6c may have the potential to replace Viagra for ED.


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To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction

From Jane525 on 2005-08-11
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Dear Joe,

I just read in one of your arnica posts about using arnica 6C for erectile dysfunction. I am currently writing a book on well known and little known natural remedies for both ED and libido enhancement. I have collected data from all over the world and much of it is traditionally-based, sometimes tribal knowledge, found nowhere else. I am intrigued about your arnica 6C remedy for ED as I've never run across this in my studies. Can you tell me if the info is proven and if you have seen cases personally where this worked? I also need to know what type of person arnica 6C would work for in the case of the emotional profile of ED (of which there are many). Does it also work for waning libido in all ages of men? And how long does it usually take to work for the "average male?" I will be compiling the data into an easy-to-read volume that is very user-friendly and all of these questions are part of each remedy profile in the book. My main point is to separate the rumor and wive's tale remedies from the real stuff.

Thank you very much for any and all information you can offer me on this subject.

Jane

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From walkin on 2005-08-11
The use of Arnica for ED goes back many years to the remark in Dr Clarke´s Dictionary of the mat med -- "Sexual desire increased with erections".

First published in July 1900

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Jane525 on 2005-08-12
Walkin,

Thank you. I will research this. Does this text outline the type of individual it helps the most in connection with ED (i.e., emotional profile.)?

Looking forward to any info Joe can offer as well.

Thank you.

Jane

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Joe De Livera on 2005-08-12
Jane,

I can confirm that I have used it experimentally on 2 cases of ED and they have both responded very positively judging by their big smiles the day after !

Here again I recommended it as I did not know when I was consulted what remedy I should suggest and it worked !
And How !!!

It is good that know that Dr Clarke has also recommended it. This is the great advantage of a forum such as this where those of us who are interested in the subject can share our thoughts with each other instead of indulging in the recent Homeopathic warfare that I have been subjected to which I hope will stop from now on.

Joe

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Jane525 on 2005-08-12
Joe,

Thank you very much. From your response, may I assume that the remedy took only one dose or overnight to work? Is this the split dose method? I want to be precise in my book so people can have all the information they need to try the remedy. Again, is there a certain type of emotional profile with ED that arnica seems to fit to a tee?

Thank you again.

Jane

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Joe De Livera on 2005-08-13
The dose is usually twice daily preferably in the wet formulation.

In this case he used it thrice on the day he saw me and achieved success. He now takes it twice daily and cannot do without it as he too has discovered that it helps him in other ways like sleeping deeply and waking up refreshed.

As you know I consider Arnica my Miracle Remedy. It really amazes me how it can help in so many ailments.

If in doubt, Use Arnica !

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Jane525 on 2005-08-14
Joe,

I came up with five questions that I'd love an answer to:

1. Once you make the remedy in the plastic bottle and shake it up each time and deliver the remedy, I assume you are raising the potency each time? Okay. So, what happens when that bottle is empty and you start over with a new bottle with your three globules of arnica 6c added to the water? Are we not going backward in the remedy dose?

2. Is the split dose method the best, most effective way to take arnica 6c for erectile dysfunction? Can one still benefit from taking simply one teaspoon from the remedy bottle?

3. If one cannot refrigerate the remedy bottle, is it okay to add a teaspoon of brandy to the water as a preservative? I know that some live in hot, humid climiates and preservation might be an issue.

4. Using the split dose method, once the teaspoon is placed into the 4 oz. of water and then one teaspoon is taken from this, must one throw this out and add another teaspoon to another 4 oz. of water to give another dose to another person or can they take two doses from the first glass?

5. Keeping question four in mind, if one is able to dose from the same glass, can that be set aside in the morning, covered and then another teaspoon dose be taken that evening?

I also wanted you to know that my editor (a man) decided to give this remedy a try to "test its effectiveness." He took three doses in one day and said that he was "amazed" at the results. I look forward to mentioning this remedy for ED to someone who is seriously affected by ED and see how long it takes to work.

Oh, one more question from my editor: Do you think this remedy (taken two or three times a day) is a suitable replacement for Viagra or other types of drugs used for ED? If so, would it need to be taken daily or only on an as needed basis, ala the drug Viagra?

Thank you again for your help.

Jane

Re: To JOE: Re: Arnica 6C for Erectile Dysfunction From Jane525 on 2005-08-16
Joe,

If possible, could you shed some light on the above questions regarding erectile dysfunction and the use of arnica. Thank you.

Jane

To Jane From Joe De Livera on 2005-08-16
I did not see your post till now as there seems to be some problem on the forum which I hope will be quickly cleared up.

I shall answer your queries point by point.

1. You are quite correct. I advice those who use this method to succuss the new bottle the same number of times they have banged the old. I do not believe that they do so to the letter but the remedy does not seem to stop working even if the bottle is not exactly succussed to the old level.

2, All I can state it that the wet dose (not the split dose) works for ED. I presume that it may also work with the dry dose but this will have to be experimented on and hopefully reported.

3. Yes but a teaspoonful may be an overdose. About 30 drops will do.

4. The split dose can be used for 2 or more patients but it is not recommended that the balance is preserved as I believe that it is necessary that a fresh tsp is used on the following day.

5. If you mean Arnica 6c for ED you cannot use the Split Dose. It must be the tsp from the bottle succussed every time it is used.

6. Suggest your editor does not exceed the twice daily dose as there is a possibility that it may aggravate. I mean that it may cease to work !

7. I really cannot answer this question as it is up to anyone who reads this post to experiment with it. Your editor has already confirmed that it is indeed effective and it is by spreading the work around that Arnica 6c can be used for ED successfully. It is just the fact that I happened to experiment with the remedy as I was at a loss to prescribe any due to the fact that I did not know of any. I have always use my inner voice and it just prompted me to say Arnica 6c and I was absolutely flabbergasted with the first case reported Success the day after. I have now prescribed it to a few more and they too confirm that it is fabulous.

Please spread the news to others so that another common ailment like ED can be helped with Arnica 6c. I cannot post it on my Arnica the Miracle Remedy list till I get more confirmations about its abilities to overcome ED.

Please keep me posted with your research as we are both doing something that can help many millions throughout the world. This is similar to my discovery that Nat Phos 6x helps to reduce weight at the rate of about 1kg per week.

I cannot help but harp back to those so called classical homeopaths who vilified me last week purely because I refused to kow tow to their pompous classical methods of diagnosis and treatment of ailments. I presume that you read all about it on this forum.
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