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It is easy to suppress with allopathy, but, you can't do that easily, with homeopathy.
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Why not?
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Let me answer this first.

Page 14 Talks on Classical Homeopathy ; G.V.

" You can't make the person change his level of health with a homeopathic prescription. With allopathic prescription you change the level."

Question : If you suppress with an inapproppriate homeopathic remedy, will that not change their level even if their energy goes down?

George : That will not change the level. If you suppress, you will see the suppression in a while, and then it will come back by itself. But, if you don't wait, you will give the wrong prescription. If he says, " I feel worse ", and you give another remedy, and in the evening another remedy. This means the wrong kind of prescription. It has to be done for a long time. In France or Germany, you can go into a pharmacy and take a bottle of Cimex and take it for a long time. This kind of prescription you can take with different remedies and you cannot do any harm. You take for three months, or one month, 3,4, or 5 remedies everyday in different potencies, probably some of them will be close and will do something. Kent was talking about that same thing about doctors who would prescribe high potencies haphazardly, and too many at the same time. There can be real trouble! There can be no trouble in giving one remedy and waiting for one month to see in a chronic case."

Perhaps I should have made it clear that as long as you follow, the classical homeopathic approach, you don't have to fear suppression, even by choosing a wrong medicine. How can any body be sure that, the remedy they select is the perfect 'similimum'? So, most of the times, it will be a partially indicated remedy only.

As long you are careful in chosing the potency, one need not fear, about suppression.
Right, so we have many important corollaries to loose statements:
1. The person prescribing is educated on the principles of classical homeopathy.
2. The person prescribing is competent enough to observe remedy reaction.
3. the person prescribing is aware of differences in potency responses based on the susceptibility and senstivity of the patient.
4. The person concerned or the prescriber is aware of what to do following an accurate interpretation of remedy response.


Without these important aspects to homeopathic prescribing, making loose statements like:
" It is easy to suppress with allopathy, but, you can't do that easily, with homeopathy."
can be potentially quite dangerous.

ANother point is that even a reasonably good practioner can prescribe a palliative remedy over years and believe that the remedy has helped. This is suppression in the long term just the same as allopathy. The disease continues to progress because there was no investigation of miasmatic response to the remedy.

There are standards one can CHOOSE TO abide by as a homeoapth. As I said before its up to the conscience of each practitooner to reach a standard of practice they are comfortable with that will not harm a patient. A neophyte is not expected to make difficult prescriptions without some guidance. There always has to be a balance between conscience and confidence.
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Yep, that's what I had in mind!
*If* the arnica were to act suppressively (and I am not saying it *is*,
only that I would like to know), then it could show up in a variety of
possible ways.

Maybe it's palliative and an overall helpful effect; maybe not--we
can't know, unless at least some of these folks are followed for a
longish time (few years would be great).
agreed. We don't know. A lot more information is needed. Longer follow up. It would be nice if some people would volunteer themselves here and keep the list updated over some years to see if Joe is unique or typical reaction. And so that the results come via direct rather than filtered. (I'll make a sep post to Joe below about my concern about the reliability of information.)
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> I know someone whose beginner homeopath has put her on Platina daily or
> nearly daily for years now. She seems from the outside to be proving
> platina, but she herself, subjectively, feels great, better than
> everyone else.


LOL--at, a Platina high... Interesting!
Could I ask, in what way(s) does she seem from the outside to be
proving it? I gather she is haughty, but are there any clear-cut
health problems, or is it just a personality thing? (Pure
curiosity...)
Cheers,
Shannon
I only feel able to satisfy your curiosity very specifically if I can do so off the public bb/list. If you are curious enuf, register on the bb so as to be able to receive a private message perhaps? Otherwise suffice it to say that I absolutely do not, based on my observation of her, recommend getting a Platina high. It has very serious negatives. The health matter was neither clear cut, nor dreadfully serious since it resolved by cutting back slightly on her dosage, but the psychological issues are serious. They are to Platina by analogy as if a person proving Aurum were getting seriously suicidal, if that comes through as an analogy. But the Aurum person likely would be subjectively down and miserable, and saying "something is wrong, help me. I was feeling less depressed for a while and now I'm worse than ever." The Platina person will go from haughty to less haughty for a while to things beyond haughty--and engaging in behaviour that could result in as much harm as an Aurum low.

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To Joe De Livera

I'm going to reply in this post to both the most recent reply to me, and also to one that appears on page 5 of the bb thread sequence. Starting with the older one first which begins with a reply to something I wrote and will quote first--it may never have appeared on the List messages:

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(emphasis added now--don't know if they'll show on List?) My brother recently had trouble keeping up with 86 year old grandfather on a canoe/hiking trip. My dad and I cannot even come close to keeping up. Relevant to Arnica, apparently the herb form was chewed on hikes for stamina when grandfather was a youngster. I doubt it is what helped him get to age 86 still very fit, compared to susceptibility and providence (God), but interesting nonetheless. Anyway the herbal use makes me personally feel less wary of someday considering repeated low potency doses of something like Arnica compared to something that is more poisonous even in very minute material quantities.
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(emphasis added now) I was delighted to learn that your 86 year old grandfather is in good physical condition today which can perhaps be attributed to his use of Arnica leaves.
I want to point out clearly that you reversed my meaning in your interpretation. And came up with a conclusion that is not correctly reflective of what I told you.

I wrote "I doubt" meaning that while not absolutely subject to proof, I would consider it extremely unlikely that his long life and health can be attributed to Arnica herb. (For one thing he had siblings that followed similar practices but who died at young ages. I don't think either the young deaths or the longer life have anything to do with Arnica, but it would be as correct to subscribe the youngest death to Arnica as the oldest one.)

"Can perhaps be attributed" also signifies that the thing is not proved, but indicates that there is a reasonably good chance that it is so. And honestly I don't think there is one chance in a billion that that is so.

I want you to understand clearly that the point I was making had to do with the fact that the use by this very much alive man pretty well proves to me that the material amount in a low potency of Arnica is not going to be deadly even repeatedly taken for a long time since it would take an awful lot to add up to the sprig of herb that might have been chewed from time to time when mountain hiking in Europe, and unlike heavy metals it probably does not accumulate.

I absolutely was not providing this as an example of an arnica success in promoting longevity, nor as an example of arnica causing him to feel well and be vigorous into his senior years.

I wanted to correct this misimpression that you have. I am concerned that reports you may be giving of other successes could also be similarly skewed, both due to your interpretation, and due to the people who may report to you either not reporting clearly or not correcting a misinterpretation you may make. I wanted to be sure that at least in this case i did go back and correct the misinterpretation. And I also want you and others to realize that this sort of misinterpretation can easily occur even with written dialogue. So much more likely might it be to happen in oral communication.

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This is indeed information that confirms my own findings that the potentized Homeopathic remedy extracted from the Arnica flower at the 6c potency is equal to or perhaps even better than the leaves which I feel would be very bitter when chewed and are not available in most parts of the world. The point that I am trying to establish is that Arnica 6c which I have used for 9 years is in fact the secret of my own sense of wellness at age 76
While I repeat that the information I provided does *not* confirm what you are saying, OTOH, I am very glad that you have decided to make your own explorations and to share the experience you have had with us. Even though my information does not confirm anything at all, still, your experience is of great interest to me.

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and my request is that others too use just one teaspoonful of this remedy every night which I can assure you is very safe to be use regularly in the succussed wet dose and post their observations after a month on this forum.
This would be very interesting. I am not sure you can be sure that it is safe for everyone, but people here can decide for themselves whether to try it, whether to continue it for a month, and the results would certainly interest me to read. So would I be interested in long term follow up.

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You may perhaps have read the many posts that I and others have made in the recent past on the subject of Arnica and I am glad that I have succeeded in rocking the boat in homeopathic circles to make the classical homeopaths to also see the light and to get out of the traditional straight and narrow path that is well defined in classical homeopathy, which to some is the equivalent of a religion.
Classical homeopathy plus long time tested variations, such as via Hering and Kent, has roughly a couple hundred years of empirical evidence. I think you are the one on a "see the light" religious mission here with an as yet not well tested theory. And now I'll go to the newer post ...

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As you probably know Hahnemann is reputed to have only used under 100 remedies which he proved on himself and his friends in his lifetime and the over 3000 remedies that are now in use were proved by his students. I do not know if he proved Arnica and as you mentioned I seem to be perhaps the only one who used it daily for 9 years and I did so because I felt that the 6c was obviously doing me some good at age 76. I have mentioned elsewhere that my BP is 120/80 pulse 65 and I believe that it is to Arnica that I owe my present state of wellness.
Again, congratulations, and thank you for sharing your own personal experience with this.

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I did record on this or another forum that I had deliberately stopped taking it for 3 weeks but at the end of the first week, it was obvious that I was the worse for not taking it as I was not sleeping well and by the end of the third week there was no option for me in continuing the test as I was obviously showing my age and was not feeling like doing my regular exercise which I do for about 45 minutes. The moment I saw my BP up by about 12mm on the Diastolic at 92 I knew that my body was signalling the urgent need for the Arnica which I had been using for years and it is remarkable that after a few days of restarting the nightly dosage, I was back to normal, sleeping deeply on the very first night after taking it followed by the gradual dropping of my pressure to the normal levels which took about a week to stabilize.

This result is not based on my imagination and is based on the statistics that I was able to gather from my own test data on myself.
I believe you. And if a person has a "dependency" on any drug I surely think that for it to be on Arnica homeopathic is far better and safer than numerous other possibilities such as sleeping pills and blood pressure med.

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This is the reason why I call upon those interested to 'prove' Arnica in the same manner that I have done and they can submit their own honest results, unlike the person who condemned Arnica which he stated gave him a heart attack due to his first dose of Arnica 6c which, I believe is quite impossible. I would like to gather the statistics from many persons who would like to contribute to the existing data on Arnica in using it in the same manner that I have done.
Possibly the word "prove" is getting confused here, but as far as making this a wider study I certainly agree that that would be a useful thing. And I personally hope others here do decide to try it and report honestly on the results they get, since I personally would like to know the results. I also doubt that one dose of Arnica would have caused a heart attack.

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Shannon has expressed her fears that Arnica which has cured Eczema in 2 cases which I have treated in Sri Lanka and one abroad who reported that the lesions dried up in 4 days with Arnica 6c split dose therapy that there is a slight possibility that it may lead to Asthma. However this ailment does not present any major problem at least to me, to cure. It is true that I have not had hundreds of Asthma cases to be categorical about the potential for curing this ailment but suffice it to say that the cases that I have handled are all successful and most of them can be considered cured. A couple of chronic long standing cases have to be on a daily dose of Nat Sulph 6c which I give in the split dose and the ailment cannot be considered life threatening. In any event the patients I have treated for Eczema have not shown any signs of Asthma and even if they do, I feel confident that I can help them.
I think you don't understand the suppression v. palliation v. cure concept.

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These Eczema patients were using the steroidal creams and other medication that are used to treat Eczema on a daily basis and it was only too obvious that medicine can only offer drugs which works palliatively but not curatively. It must be remembered that the constant use of steroids both internally and externally is best avoided. This is in direct contrast to the use of Homeopathi remedies in the manner that I have done which has had a very positive response so far.
I'll agree that comparatively speaking long term use of steroids etc. is not good, so that if you get palliation via homeopathy as good or better than via conventional, that is probably a very good thing. However, both conventional and homeopathic can also supress.

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I often wonder what the real reason is for Homeopaths not using the allopathic 'take this for that' approach in using remedies when necessary.
Obviously it is done sometimes,as for example using your own favorite, Arnica, as the first option for trauma first aid.

Historically there was a branch of homeopathy that tried the "take this for that" method and it was part of what led to the decline of homeopathy in many countries--along with being pushed out by the pharmaceutical/AMA complex.


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You will observe that when prescribing on the forums for the few ailments that I seem to specialize in, there is no possibility of taking a case as one can do in a face to face meeting with the patient.
Actually the traditional casetaking method seems to work surprisingly well by internet. :)

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As for my prostate problem, this is hereditary and is definitely not a case of my proving it, as my late father also suffered from it and had to have surgery about 40 years ago. I fear that at least one of my 3 sons will also come down with this same ailment some time in the future.
Do you understand the concept of a Miasm? And that at the deepest curative level homeopathy can act to cure that?

I was not thinking that you were proving Arnica in getting the prostate problem, but rather that it might have been an example of a suppressed symptom (say high blood pressure) going deeper. The deeper something will go is generally consistent with other factors such as heredity or exposure. That is not inconsistent and your statement that it was hereditary does not disprove the idea that it may have been a deeper symptom of a health situation that has been supressed.


May I suggest that you read (or reread) The Science of Homeopathy by George Vithoulkas. And also go back through the Organon itself. This will give the understanding of supression, miasms etc. much better than I could hope to do.

You might also find of interest some of the historical reports on the use of Homeopathy in various epidemics, since you were under the impression that only antibiotics could work for infection.

To take the best of homeopathy and allopathy is laudable, but you may change your ideas of what homeopathy is capable of doing if you read some more in the history. And as well you may get some more knowledge about the past use of 'this for that" in homepathy, which might at least help you to understand why it bothers some people. Perhaps not so much "religion" as "been there done that."

I am happy for you and your friends that you have helped, if it is true that you have never been unsuccessful in your use of homeopathy with anyone. But I am concerned that you may be giving a biased report. As with the discrepancy between what I wrote in the post quoted at the start of this post and how you interpreted it, also quoted above.

Anyhow, I look forward to reading any posts about other people testing out the nightly use of Arnica short term results and long term follow up, if anyone chooses to do that. I don't know where other than that this can really go, because while it is wonderful that you feel good a sample of one is not enough evidence. People reporting directly here would help get rid of the possible misinterpretation or bias that might come if filtered through someone with a particular outlook. (Better still would be a double-blind randomized trial with some taking nightly Arnica 6C and others nightly placebo and then all participantsreporting back--but hard to arrange that via internet!)

I'll be away for a few weeks and so won't be able to reply to anything immediately. Ciao for now,

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There are standards one can CHOOSE TO abide by as a homeoapth. As I said before its up to the conscience of each practitooner to reach a standard of practice they are comfortable with that will not harm a patient. A neophyte is not expected to make difficult prescriptions without some guidance. There always has to be a balance between conscience and confidence.
I agree with this.

I will amend my statement.

"However I feel it is difficult to suppresss with 'proper' classsical homeopathy."

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Let's return to the facts: Joe is taking arnica 6c nightly - a minute but still material dose. According to your interpretation (which is also my interpretation and has been around for centuries and so does not represent a new look at repeated doses), Joe has a low susceptibility to arnica. So, to return to a previous question, why doesn't he find a remedy which is more homeopathic to his entire case and cure the chronic disease of which insomnia is but a single symptom?

Joe's stories about his health remind me of the descriptions of arsenic eaters found in Clarke.


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So, to return to a previous question, why doesn't he find a
remedy which is more homeopathic to his entire case and cure the chronic
disease of which insomnia is but a single symptom?
Because he does not want to or does not feel the need to!

If it were me, I would.
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--- Luise Kunkle <sem-pa@bar-do.net> wrote:

> There seems to be some basic misconception in the discussion:


> The "classicals" [sic] seem to assume that the choice for the patients
> is to have either "effective, competent treatment by a very well trained
> and experienced classical homeopath" or the "this for that" treatment.


> This is utopian thinking.


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No, this is an example of a (totally) false dichotomy - rather like
saying as regards to alcohol: "There are abstainers, and there are
raving, lunatic drunks."

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Hi Brio,

I do understand your point, and I shouldn't have laughed...
So neither she nor her homeopath are aware of the downside, or is she
taking this now on her own? (I'm in an "overstretched" stretch for the
next week or so, so better not try to deal with the bb right now... My
email, tho, is shannonnelson@tds.net--will that work to talk off-list?)
Shannon

On Jul 12, 2005, at 11:32 PM, homeolist@otherhealth.com wrote:

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> suffice it to say that I absolutely do not, based on my observation of
> her, recommend getting a Platina high. It has very serious negatives.
> The health matter was neither clear cut, nor dreadfully serious since
> it resolved by cutting back slightly on her dosage, but the
> psychological issues are serious. They are to Platina by analogy as if
> a person proving Aurum were getting seriously suicidal, if that comes
> through as an analogy. But the Aurum person likely would be
> subjectively down and miserable, and saying "something is wrong, help
> me. I was feeling less depressed for a while and now I'm worse than
> ever." The Platina person will go from haughty to less haughty for a
> while to things beyond haughty--and engaging in behaviour that could
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On Tue, 12 Jul 2005 homeolist@otherhealth.com wrote:

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> Page 14 Talks on Classical Homeopathy ; G.V.
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> " *You can't make the person change his level of health with a
> homeopathic prescription. With allopathic prescription you change the
> level.*"
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> -Question : If you suppress with an inapproppriate homeopathic remedy,
> will that not change their level even if their energy goes down?
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> George : That will not change the level. -If you suppress, you will see
> the suppression in a while, and then it will come back by itself. But,
> if you don't wait, you will give the wrong prescription. If he says, \"
> I feel worse \", and you give another remedy, and in the evening another
> remedy. This means the wrong kind of prescription. It has to be done for
> a long time. In France or Germany, you can go into a pharmacy and take a
> bottle of Cimex and take it for a long time. This kind of prescription
> you can take with different remedies and you cannot do any harm. You
> take for three months, or one month, 3,4, or 5 remedies everyday in
> different potencies, probably some of them will be close and will do
> something. Kent was talking about that same thing about doctors who
> would prescribe high potencies haphazardly, and too many at the same
> time. There can be real trouble!


This statement and such as these have kept me wondering why in
Germany. where such supposedly harmful prescribing and taking of
several up to very many remedies at the same time has been common,
*really* common, people generally do not seem to be in a worse state
of health than in countries where that has not been the case.

Any ideas?

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I came across this thread which deals with my rather un-Homeopathic use of Arnica in the Wet dose which was first started by Dr Paraki way back in June 2005 which I felt would be of interest to members of this Forum and I decided to reactivate it with this post.

It is now over 4 years since it was first posted and members may be able to re-evaluate the records of my own findings with the response of others, some of whom had used it and recorded their thoughts, some of which were for and some against my own experience in using Arnica in the Wet dose, which I have used nightly since 1996. I started using it as I was unable to take Hytrin which I was prescribed for my urine retention due to my Prostate problem as it dropped my BP by about 15mm which affected me badly as I was unable to even sit up on a chair due to the lack of my Blood Pressure.

It was a chance discovery that lead me to take Arnica as I was compelled to stop Hytrin and change over to the standard Homeopathic remedies used for this ailment like Conium and Sabal Serrulata (Saw Palmetto) but they were only marginally helpful. At that time I had grazed my shin on some object and the skin had peeled off causing some pain and bleeding. I took Arnica 30 in the Dry dose (pellets) and discovered within the hour that I was able to pee without restriction. This was indeed a serendipitous discovery on my part and I used Arnica right up to 2002 when I was forced to have surgery for my Prostate in the US as I was suffering from inability to pass urine. Suffice it to state that my daily use of Arnica 30c for 6 years up to that time and now later post surgery up to 13 years, gave me ample time to evaluate its reaction on my body and I continued to use it nightly as I now do.

I have reported in other threads on this Forum that I used Arnica 30c in the Dry pellets immediately after my Prostatectomy and refused the Morphine that was connected to my IV line to the consternation of both the nursing staff in the Ohio State University Hospital in Columbus OH and my surgeon to whom I had to give a written waiver that I would not hold them responsible for the pain or the shut down of my bodily functions which they felt would be inevitable by my refusal to use Morphine. For the record the dose I used was just 2 pellets sublingually every 2 hours on the first day which I extended to 3 hours on the second day and 4 hours on the third day after surgery. I have also used this same dosage after minor surgery for an Inguinal Hernia last year and I can categorically state that it is by far better than the pain killers including Morphine that are currently used post surgery.

I would like to add here that my own findings do not coincide with the lecture of Dr George Vithoulkas available on Video on his website where he belittled the use of Arnica before or after surgery which he stated was just a waste of time. I do hope that he will use Arnica as I have done if ever he has to have surgery in the future when he will have to change his stance. It is far more effective than both the Morphine that they use as the analgesic after major surgery (Prostatectomy) in the US and the Diclofenac Sodium (Voltaren 100mg) they use here in Sri Lanka after my Inguinal Hernia Repair surgery.

I continued to use Arnica 30c nightly ever after and have also experimented with the lower potency of both 3c and 6c in the Wet dose but right now I take the 30c in the Wet dose nightly as I find that this potency is best for daily use.

Today after over 13 years of using Arnica I believe I am qualified to pontificate on the benefits that can accrue to anyone using Arnica in the manner that I have pioneered. My BP continues to remain even below the original level of 120/80 and it is usually about 5mm below this level. My pulse is <65 at rest and my Lipid Profile is well within the accepted limits.

Many who meet me refuse to believe that I am all of 4 score years as they invariably estimate my age at 60 years. I do not have any ache or pain in my body at all and my general resistance to colds and coughs is excellent, which I can only attribute to the nightly dose of Arnica that I have taken for the last 13 years.

I have encouraged many to use Arnica in the manner that I do and I give a bottle of spring water which I activate with just 2 drops of Arnica 30c. I would like to place on record that I have not derived any financial reward for treating my patients as I am convinced that the good God rewards me with good health which I feel is the greatest reward that one can have at my advanced age. I would like to also mention here that I am actively involved in my family owned business and drive myself to work daily as I have done for the last 60 years. I am singularly blessed with 3 sons 2 of whom are working with me and it is as a result of their support that I am able to devote more time to my Hobby Homeopathy.

I believe that I have made some contribution to the progress of this science as I do not subscribe to the Classical tenet of "Single remedy to treat the totality of all the symptoms presented by the patient". The classical homeopaths on this and other Forums that I used to visit labelled me a maverick and also coined the term "Joepathy" to derisively describe the therapy I use which I believe was motivated perhaps due to jealousy on their part. However when it was discovered that my Joepathy did indeed help patients in a manner that their combined classical efforts could not equate, these classical homeopaths resorted to hounding me on the Forums I used to visit, including this Forum which I then decided to boycott till a few weeks ago when I felt impelled to record my own experience in treating Chikungunya which is also a virus borne disease with Gelsemium 30 in the Wet dose which I felt would also serve as a Prophylactic against the current H1N1 virus epidemic in both the US and the UK. I have been giving Gelsemium 30 to many clients some of whom are in my organization and although this H1N1 virus is now rampant in Sri Lanka today, I have not had any reports of any infection from those who take it about twice weekly in the Wet dose and I can presume that it is as effective to provide prophylaxis against the H1N1 virus as it was against the CKG virus.

I would urge anyone who reads this post and has the patience to perhaps also read the 8 pages of this thread that precede it, to follow my example and take Arnica just once nightly on a test basis and experience the feeling of health which no other drug, tonic or remedy can replicate. Almost everyone who takes my advice has confirmed that they experienced an unusual feeling of wellness on the morning after their first dose which they have never experienced before.

I shall be glad if those who take it will please report their response on this Forum for purposes of record.

If anyone wishes to have more information on Arnica I would suggest they visit the link below:

Arnica the Miracle Remedy --- Case Records :: homeopathyandmore.com


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