Hi Brio,

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Originally Posted by Brio I would guess that what Shannon is getting at is not necessarily that he might come down with Asthma, but rather that if the Eczema were palliated or supressed rather than truly cured, he might come down with any number of more serious--even if less annoying--ailments.

Yep, that's what I had in mind!
*If* the arnica were to act suppressively (and I am not saying it *is*, only that I would like to know), then it could show up in a variety of possible ways.

Maybe it's palliative and an overall helpful effect; maybe not--we can't know, unless at least some of these folks are followed for a longish time (few years would be great).

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Originally Posted by Brio ... The long term use raises questions, but here, your feeling well for many years is a good sign (unless the prostate problem was actually a situation of a deeper problem arising). I suppose in my own mind I have a question of whether you are perhaps actually proving Arnica night after night (but getting its mostly beneficial symptoms!). Even getting the mental effect that is in the MM for Arnica of the patient saying "I'm fine", denying any illness or bad feelings.

:-) That's an interesting thought! But personally I'm willing to give the benefit of the doubt... He says his blood pressure is better now, and he certainly *seems* to have plenty of energy, a balanced, optimistic outlook, a good grasp (at least my impression) on the events of his life. Seems healthy to me! But I'm reluctant to generalize too far from a sample size of one! Joe--see if you *can* do some long-term tracking? We don't expect *any* simple medicine, even a homeopathic!, to stop the process of aging, and "stuff happens", no matter what. But it should be possible to get a general idea of whether they are doing as well as you seem to have done, or whether the record is more spotty?

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Originally Posted by Brio And yet, even if that is the case, I am not sure that is a bad thing for you.

LOL--at, a Platina high... Interesting!
Could I ask, in what way(s) does she seem from the outside to be proving it? I gather she is haughty, but are there any clear-cut health problems, or is it just a personality thing? (Pure curiosity...)

Cheers,
Shannon

Dear Doctorleela

I am not saying homeopathy can't suppress. I am only saying it can't suppress easily. It is easy to suppress with allopathy, but, you can't do that easily, with homeopathy. The homeopath has to be very very incompetent to do that.

The more, we talk about suppressing by using even homeopathic remedies, the more people ,we are scaring away from homeopathy. If every patient starts doubting , whenever he sees a positive result, be it Eczema, or Asthma, and start wondering about possible suppression, how can he ever be peaceful?

I will continue, with references, a little later.

Murthy

The pateint has to trust the homeopath and homeoapthy and not play around with remedies. The patient (not trained in the principles of homeopathy) is not expected to make decisions about remedies or their reactions.
OR If they do, they take the responsibility themsleves, and accept whatever comes and not blame homeoapthy for it, just like one takes a decision to take allopathic medicine.

The onus of feeling peaceful about a prescription rests with the homeopath.
Folowing the principles is what has to be propogated at all times.
Those who don't have only their conscences and the complications to deal with. Most people who have been burned would avoid doing the same in the future.

ITs a hard life out there - we can't make it easier by saying its OK to break the rules and not have to face the consequences.

Why not?

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Originally Posted by Luise There seems to be some basic misconception in the discussion:

Glad you added the last sentence. You've probably not seen too many cases where constant so called palliation has led to severe suppression and spoiled and near uncurable cases.

Joy

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It is easy to suppress with allopathy, but, you can't do that easily, with homeopathy.

Why not?

Let me answer this first.

Page 14 Talks on Classical Homeopathy ; G.V.

" You can't make the person change his level of health with a homeopathic prescription. With allopathic prescription you change the level."

Question : If you suppress with an inapproppriate homeopathic remedy, will that not change their level even if their energy goes down?

George : That will not change the level. If you suppress, you will see the suppression in a while, and then it will come back by itself. But, if you don't wait, you will give the wrong prescription. If he says, " I feel worse ", and you give another remedy, and in the evening another remedy. This means the wrong kind of prescription. It has to be done for a long time. In France or Germany, you can go into a pharmacy and take a bottle of Cimex and take it for a long time. This kind of prescription you can take with different remedies and you cannot do any harm. You take for three months, or one month, 3,4, or 5 remedies everyday in different potencies, probably some of them will be close and will do something. Kent was talking about that same thing about doctors who would prescribe high potencies haphazardly, and too many at the same time. There can be real trouble! There can be no trouble in giving one remedy and waiting for one month to see in a chronic case."

Perhaps I should have made it clear that as long as you follow, the classical homeopathic approach, you don't have to fear suppression, even by choosing a wrong medicine. How can any body be sure that, the remedy they select is the perfect 'similimum'? So, most of the times, it will be a partially indicated remedy only.

As long you are careful in chosing the potency, one need not fear, about suppression.

Coming back to repeated use of low potencies, the answer is there in the above paragraph. As long as you stick to one medicine, in low potencies, three things can happen.

The remedy ,being so far away from your vibrational level, does nothing.

The remedy, if it is close ,but not exact, will induce proving, and if you recognise that, and stop it, at that point, you will get benefit.

If it happens to be the 'similimum' , you will get aggravations, and will be forced to discontinue, and even in such cases, it will help you.

When I say, one need not fear suppression, with homeopathic remedies, it is in the context of frequent repetetion of a single remedy, in low potencies, as in the case of Joe's Arnica.

This is also to assure the self taught homeopath, not to fear to use the remedy, he feels appropriate, as long as he experiments with lower potency.The frequency of repetetion also can be experimented with, as long as you stick to a single remedy.

But, what is important is to be thorough in his fundamentals, and have the knowledge to know when to stop. If you are confident of your basics, go ahead and experiment. Don't bother about the suppression aspect.

Now, to answer the first part

I am talking about the self taught homeopath, and the budding homeopath. I think the whole discussion is for the benefit of people, who know, about homeopathy. The suppression aspect will scare the neophyte homeopath more than the patient, and the above is meant for him.

Murthy

Hi Shannon,

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Originally Posted by Shannon Whoa, there are TONS more choices than that!!!!!!! A point I often come back to is that, when it comes to chronic illnesses homeopathy is *not* well suited as a "do-it-yourself" approach, at least not the methods of Hahnemannian homeopathy.

which definitely was a "no, no" to Hahnemann:-)

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Originally Posted by Shannon and herbs come to mind. There is a *lot* that a person can do to begin to understand and improve their own condition, and these may in many cases be far more useful than using remedies as "drug substitutes".

Quite probably. And many of those people who have access to herbalists, nutritionists, chiropractors etc. or have the necessary background to work it out for themselves probably do.

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Originally Posted by Shannon I would agree that when remedies can be used instead of drugs, it is usually a good thing, even if the effect is only palliative. But teaching people to palliate is not what we are here for,

Well this is a statement which pinpoints much of the difference between you and one part of the list and me and another part: I do not think that this list is for teaching purposes. To me it is for discussion, airing and sharing of ideas etc.

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Originally Posted by Shannon not what we have been trained for,

Whom do you mean by "we".

This is not a list for classical homeopathy only.

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Originally Posted by Shannon and really most of us (so far as I can tell) don't have the background to even *evaluate* those approaches very well.

Which means that most of us cannot evaluate the statements of the classical homeopaths and recognize that they are one-side.

Specifically because that is so other aspects are necessary to give them a more rounded picture.

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Originally Posted by Shannon What we *can* do, is mention the issues, possible pitfalls, and preferable alternatives (including that old favorite, "See a good homeopath!").

Sure, why not.

They *can* and *are* so mentioned - and IMO they are by no means underrepresented:-)

Regards

Luise

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I know someone whose beginner homeopath has put her on Platina daily or nearly daily for years now. She seems from the outside to be proving platina, but she herself, subjectively, feels great, better than everyone else.

<sigh> Give me any remedy to do this for me for the rest of my life and I`ll take it!:-)

Luise

Well a typical Platina would feel like this :-))

Joy

Why would it only apply to those who have access to classical homeopathy?

Joy

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Originally Posted by Luise Well this is a statement which pinpoints much of the difference between you and one part of the list and me and another part: I do not think that this list is for teaching purposes. To me it is for discussion, airing and sharing of ideas etc.

And, of course, argue. No matter what one's position on a thing. Argue, comment with crisp one or two liners and keep the thread growing to unmanageable lengths. Then as you said the commoner on the list will scramble for the delete button.