Joe has reported that the old man has been cured and has made a most remarkable recovery at such an advanced age and from such a life threatening disease.He didn't give Arnica 1M in doses of a spoonful just like that but after having diluted and succused to prepare the remedy in water.Masters like Nash and Lippe gave 61M, 85M CM diluted in a glass of water and one spoon as one dose at a time. But these are legendary doctors and responsible for having established homeopathy in the first place. When facts defy the limited 'theories' that we have in our small minds, let us give primacy to facts and readjust our theories in the light of these startling facts.At least that is what an honest scientist would do.When Hanneman first demonstrated the power in the tremendously diluted dose, the allopathic world refused to accept it as it went against the accepted knowledge of the time.I am not saying that Joe is a Hanneman.Quite obviously he is not and i think Joe would be the first one to accept that. But what he has done with Arnica and is doing with so many patients as can be seen from the many testimonies of its successful employment in various cases where one would not normally think of Arnica, should force us to have a relook at Arnica and not pour ridicule and scorn upon a respectable, honest and enthusiastic old man of 76. All of us can learn from his enthusiasm and willingness to help others even at this old age.If Arnica is the secret of his 'youthfulness' then God bless Arnica and God bless Joe.

On a more serious note let us stop this bickering and conduct experiments to verify claims that Joe has been making. If really Arnica proves to be a valuable remedy for old age then let us credit him for his courage at least if not contribution. If these experiments fail let us discard these claims just as any unscientific claims should be.

Peace upon everyone.

Rajiv

If I remember right, Joe's advice is to mix a few drops of 1M, in about 400 ml. of water, and take a spoon out of it, every day, after succussing it every time, before taking the dose.

This is exactly what Hahn. suggested in his organon, for chronic cases. He advised daily repetetion, when required.

Murthy

Which edition of the Organon does he advise this?

Susan

So, without knowing even this, you are asking questions???

§ 248 Sixth Edition

For this purpose, we potentize anew the medicinal solution1(with perhaps 8, 10, 12 succussions) from which we give the patient one or (increasingly) several teaspoonful doses, in long lasting diseases daily or every second day, in acute diseases every two to six hours and in very urgent cases every hour or oftener. Thus in chronic diseases, every correctly chosen homoeopathic medicine, even those whose action is of long duration, may be repeated daily for months with ever increasing success. If the solution is used up (in seven to fifteen days) it is necessary to add to the next solution of the same medicine if still indicated one or (though rarely) several pellets of a higher potency with which we continue so long as the patient experiences continued improvement without encountering one or another complaint that he never had before in his life. For if this happens, if the balance of the disease appears in a group of altered symptoms then another, one more homoeopathically related medicine must be chosen in place of the last and administered in the same repeated doses, mindful, however, of modifying the solution of every dose with thorough vigorous succussions, thus changing its degree of potency and increasing it somewhat. On the other hand, should there appear during almost daily repetition of the well indicated homoeopathic remedy, towards the end of the treatment of a chronic disease, so-called (§ 161) homoeopathic aggravations by which the balance of the morbid symptoms seem to again increase somewhat (the medicinal disease, similar to the original, now alone persistently manifests itself). The doses in that case must then be reduced still further and repeated in longer intervals and possibly stopped several days, in order to see if the convalescence need no further medicinal aid. The apparent symptoms (Schein - Symptome) caused by the excess of the homoeopathic medicine will soon disappear and leave undisturbed health in its wake. If only a small vial say a dram of dilute alcohol is used in the treatment, in which is contained and dissolved through succussion one globule of the medicine which is to be used by olfaction every two, three or four days, this also must be thoroughly succussed eight to ten times before each olfaction.

1 Made in 40, 30, 20, 15 or 8 tablespoons of water with the addition of some alcohol or a piece of charcoal in order to preserve it. If charcoal is used, it is suspended by means of a thread in the vial and is taken out when the vial is succussed. The solution of the medicinal globule (and it is rarely necessary to use more than one globule) of a thoroughly potentized medicine in a large quantity of water can be obviated by making a solution in only 7-8 tablespoons of water and after thorough succussion of the vial take from it one tablespoon and put it in a glass of water (containing about 7 to 8 spoonfuls), this stirred thoroughly and then given a dose to the patient. If he is unusually excited and sensitive, a teaspoon of this solution may be put in a second glass of water, thoroughly stirred and teaspoonful doses or more be given. There are patients of so great sensitiveness that a third or fourth glass, similarly prepared, may be necessary. Each such prepared glass must be made fresh daily. the globule of the high potency is best crushed in a few grains of sugar of milk which the patient can put in the vial and be dissolved in the requisite quantity of water.


Please get your basics right, first. It needs lot of study.


Murthy

I already knew the answer, the answer is YOU need a-lot of study.

Hahnemann is referring to LM potency NOT 1M in C potency.

You are advocating and encouraging taking a 1M potency daily based on what you have MISINTERPRETED.

Your advice is DANGEROUS and MISLEADING!

Susan

I gave you the reference in black& white. You show me, where, Hannemann is talking of LM potencies, in this particular context. Is it in your mind?

Murthy

Hahn. talks about the way to make LM potencies, for the first time, in Postulate no.270.

Till then, all his references are to his earlier methods only. Hahn. is not like you. He has no confusion. He is such a methodical person, that, he knows ,what he is talking about.

You're reading the Organon like a detective novel with clues revealed in order.

Read footnote 1 to § 246 Sixth Edition

1 What I said in the fifth edition of the organon, in a long note to this paragraph in order to prevent these undesirable reactions of the vital energy, was all the experience I then had justified. But during the last four or five years, however, all these difficulties are wholly solved by my new altered but perfected method. The same carefully selected medicine may now be given daily and for months, if necessary in this way, namely, after the lower degree of potency has been used for one or two weeks in the treatment of chronic disease, advance is made in the same way to higher degrees, (beginning according to the new dynamization method, taught herewith with the use of the lowest degrees).

Then go to § 270 Sixth Edition to learn how to make an LM potency that can be used, if necessary daily.

Susan

246, then 248 and then 270.

In the footnote to 246, Hannemann was referring to his advice in the fifth edition, where he cautioned, against repeating the dry dose. He says, he has found a better method, and telling about it in the immediately following aphorisms.

The method of administration, he suggests, in 248 is perfectly valid, whether it is a medicinal solution of X, C, or LM potencies. As a further precaution, to avoid unnecessary aggravations, he talks about the LM method of preparing the medicine, much later.

Don't get confused with methods of administration, and the methods of preperation.

You have to learn a lot. Good that you started. Keep asking questions, but, with an intention to learn, but, not to cross.

Murthy

I should say that I not only support Shannon's message I want to apologise to Richard and Paraki about my mishandling of words and emotions. We all important in what we do and there is room for everybody if the love for Homeopathy is the main motivation.

I am sorry...
The best for all.