If you feel a wrong advice is given, tell your opinion, in the same thread, immediately, after you notice. That way, the seeker will have the benefit of different opinions.

There is no point, in waiting till now, and joining the stone throwers. It is nothing but a mob mentality.

Murthy

I repeat - it was brilliant! quite unlike your post.

Jeff Tikari

Repeating a remedy ad. infin. is daring, if not briiliant.

You must be thankful, for Joe, for having done this experiment boldly. If, you are really interested in the advancement of homeopathy, probe him, as to what are the effects of taking a medicine like that.

He says, it benefitted him. Do you have any cases, that got spoiled by repeating Arnica, or that have become verse, if somebody took Arnica 6c daily?

What is your experience regarding aggravations with Arnica 6C? Don't say I read like this, I read like that. Alll of us read the same books. Tell us something concrete out of your own experience.

If you don't have any, better listen to people, who are talking with self experience. Foolish comments will only show your ignorance.

Murthy

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Originally Posted by Rene Not everybody have to laugh at our "humor" (pus). Hurting try towards somebody who treated me like a father. My advise, if you do not know what to use for something do not use anything.

Rene,

Joe's otherhealth.com profile states "Occupation: Chairman Chain of Department Stores", maybe you can extend your job analogy to him.

Having actually met Joe you can verify his claims from at least a superficial visual standpoint, wouldn't you as a Dipl Hom question daily use of any 6C potency?

Is it possible when you met Joe he was in an Arnica state which contributed to what you termed "fatherly" treatment?

Allopathically, many medications require decreasing dosage as one ages. Does this imply homeopathically increasing remedy dosage?

Here's some info on overdosing on remedies and remedy duration, courtesy of Gabe Rottler:

http://www.curantur.de/English/Artic...epetition.html

http://www.curantur.de/English/Artic.../duration.html

I took a dose of Arnica 6C a few days ago, it did provide deeper sleep and I awoke with muscle aches. The sleep and aches are similar to after I work out at the gym having done a-lot of weight machines. I still feel that dose is active and no need to repeat it and wouldn't so soon because I know there is continuing remedy action which is not perceptible.

Since you are an MD with a Dipl Hom, how many years have you studied classical homeopathy and where did you earn this title from?

My experience with MD's cum homeopath is that they are jack of both trades and master of maybe allopathy but usually not classical homeopathy basicallly because they THINK LIKE ALLOPATHS.

This may explain your support of Joe's suggestions since you are practicing in both worlds.

Did you happen to talk with Luc De Schepper about Joe's youthful appearance? There may be little if any info on Arnica usage in LM potencies but wouldn't it be homeopathically safer to use an LM daily vs. a C?

Azucar!

Susan

Tried to respond below.


Joe has not made fun of anybody and his experiences can be taken if you want like the ones coming from an "informed patient", from the times of Hering up to now, people use "family kits". It is not the first time in this list that somebody asking for help with a sympton or a diagnosis to take care of and is politely invited to look for an appropiate recollection of the symptoms or other civilized suggestions

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Originally Posted by Susan Having actually met Joe you can verify his claims from at least a superficial visual standpoint, wouldn't you as a Dipl Hom question daily use of any 6C potency?

To value the validity of his claim in depth I would have to interview Joe and unfortunately I did not have enough time to address what was at stake at the moment (tsunami relief). The "fatherly" attitude is hard to discern from the average Sri Lankan hospitality or the committment shared with the victims of the disaster.

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Originally Posted by Susan Allopathically, many medications require decreasing dosage as one ages. Does this imply homeopathically increasing remedy dosage?

I do not know your training in Homeopathy (even if you asked for mine), but according to the Arnt-Schulz Law it does not imply anything...

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Originally Posted by Susan Here's some info on overdosing on remedies and remedy duration, courtesy of Gabe Rottler

Thanks...

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Originally Posted by Susan I took a dose of Arnica 6C a few days ago, it did provide deeper sleep and I awoke with muscle aches. The sleep and aches are similar to after I work out at the gym having done a-lot of weight machines. I still feel that dose is active and no need to repeat it and wouldn't so soon because I know there is continuing remedy action which is not perceptible.

That is where the individualization takes place, you testimonial is as important as any, and no less or more. How old are you chronologically? 46-59 years old a different story would be when your biological age'll kick in, with less cartilage, osteophytes and the rest of the "wear and tear" effects. At that point every movement is a potential trauma. That can be an example of an acute expression of a chronic condition.

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Originally Posted by Susan Since you are an MD with a Dipl Hom, how many years have you studied classical homeopathy and where did you earn this title from?

I can respond to your question even if you assume the questioning position without setting your background straight (are you another database analyser?). In the late 80s a group of health proffesionals started taking courses with proffesors coming from Mexico (Proceso Sanchez Ortega), Argentina (Eizayaga, Paschero), Europe (LMI). In the early 90s the head of the Homeopathic Faculty of Riberao Preto in Sao Paolo organized the first 2 year diploma course that was followed by a local diploma course. A bit later, I had the opportunity to coordinate with HWB-NA the visit of Dr. Richard Moskowitz, Karl Robinson and others to support the process of continuous education. You should read the reports of the Liga Letter (are you a member?), it is difficult but you can practice Homeopathy in any health institution. Scientific reports (clinical and basic) about Homeopathy have been communicated in conferences from the institution to the Panamerican level. You can go and teach if you are so concern or willing to help.

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Originally Posted by Susan My experience with MD's cum homeopath is that they are jack of both trades and master of maybe allopathy but usually not classical homeopathy basicallly because they THINK LIKE ALLOPATHS.

Like any generalization that one is wrong. I have to say that by being an endocrinologist my committment is more with the identification of functional patterns than with an ALLOPATHIC APPROACH, and definitely helped the fact that there is not much conflict in the fact that you have to give insulin to an insulin-dependent person, but you can also diminish the need with the appropiate remedy.

IT IS A DIFFERENT SCENARIO, where the limits are given by the mindset of the practitioner and some temporary material constraints. Like any classical homeopath I try to seize the totality of the symptoms, use my repertory (the Eizayagas translation of the Kent's first and Radar and Mc Repertory later on)and Materia Medica to find the only one remedy I think is the closest to the similimum. That is common to what many homeopaths do around the world do, the difference is that also I submitted a basic research study done in my facility (Morphometric Study of the Tuberoinfundibular Dopaminergic Neurons of rats treated with Lachesis Mutus 200 C) and had the opportunity of having a ward where the patients under homeopathic treatment were supervised that was my Homeopathic Hospital project) and books and scientific reports about Homeopathy were discussed as well with the other ALLOPATHS. It was a superb opportunity to exchange ideas about the future of Homeopathy with Paolo Bellavite at the University of Verona in Italy. I also met Jaques Imberechts but missed Jacques Benveniste, and now he is gone.

I feel blessed with the opportunity of learning Homeopathy as an art and as a source of infinite knowledge in social, physiological, biophysical and quantum mechanics terms just to break the unity for you.

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Originally Posted by Susan This may explain your support of Joe's suggestions since you are practicing in both worlds.

All I am doing is trying to understand from his "own words" the depth of the homeopathic "message". It comes more from the capacity of observation than from the "support" I want to understand what is behind the fact that he feels better with a daily dose and worse if he stops it and you did not react like this. I am listening....

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Originally Posted by Susan Did you happen to talk with Luc De Schepper about Joe's youthful appearance? There may be little if any info on Arnica usage in LM potencies but wouldn't it be homeopathically safer to use an LM daily vs. a C?

Theoretically yes, but why don't you try it and tell us what happens... I was coordinating the trip to Sri Lanka and that is what Luc and I talked about. I am committed to use Homeopathy for the sake of Humanity and not as a tool theological geographic determinism or any other egotistic reason for that matter.

My point is that Hahnemann was the first activist of Homeopathy it is all over the Organon and his life and many people are choosing to ignore that.

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Originally Posted by Susan Azucar!

Azucar prieta is better!!

Hi Joy,

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Originally Posted by Joy Are you laughing out load from sheer horror, or because you think something so serious is really funny, or maybe a nervous reaction regarding your own words.

No hit. I laughed because I thought the reaction on this list was funny:-)

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Originally Posted by Joy Many people, myself included, have frequently warned against routine use of ANY rx (on various homeopathy lists) - so plenty of peeps.

So you mean that, if 10 persons had been in an accident and got away with bruises, if they called you and told you that one of them had Arnica C6 in thier purse - you would not recommend they all take that?

Or the same if they had got burns - cantharis?

Well, "Exceptions confirm the rule":-)

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Originally Posted by Joy As for prophylactic prescribing that's another story.

Why? What's the difference whether I take some remedy to prevent infection or whether I take Arnica to prevent my lying sleepless?

Regards

Luise

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Originally Posted by Luise So you mean that, if 10 persons had been in an accident and got away with bruises, if they called you and told you that one of them had Arnica C6 in thier purse - you would not recommend they all take that?

No

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Originally Posted by Luise Or the same if they had got burns - cantharis?

No

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Originally Posted by Luise Quote: As for prophylactic prescribing that's another story. Why? What's the difference whether I take some remedy to prevent infection or whether I take Arnia to prevent my lying sleepless?

Because with your sleeplessness you already have symptoms and with a fever that hasn't happened you don't yet have any sx to prescribe on

As you say - 2 and 2 is 22 and 2 times 2 is 2

Joy

This whole topic has been beaten out of shape (and so has dear old Joe!), but I do read a few good and helpful viewpoints.

ONE thing though, is that we all need to keep an open mind about dosage methods and expereinces. It is individual to the case and susceptibility.
Is good to know that there are cases that respond to frequent dosings - young(as we have here in India) or old age group (as Joe's experience has been). This is what is commonly seen when speciific prescriptions are made and also in constitutional prescriptions where there is LOW susceptibility.
Always its the susceptibility that has to be watched. WHen a single dose has worked (in a particular potency) and the symptoms have NOT returned we (expect that) wouldn't need to repeat ideally.

As Rene mentioned, there exists something called the "Arndt Schultz" law and I'd advise those who have not heard of it, to read it. It will put a different perspective on the concept of (repeated) dosing and potency.

The moral of the story is:
Fear of repeated dosing needs to be overcome, especially if the patient needs it and the susceptibility is able to accept it. SOmetimes we fail to get cures simply because we have not repeated the remedy often enough!

that is my 2 cents on Joe's behalf and my own.
dr. leela

www.homeopathy2health.com

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The present life style of all of us, which contribute to the antidoting of the remedy, is also, one of the reasons for the necessity of frequent repetetion.

The classical cures with a single dose, are things of the past, not due to the inadequacy of homeopathy, but, due to the so called effects of civilisation.

Some people may require repetetion every day. Some every week...etc.

We have to adapt.

Murthy

So, dr. leela, you see no harm in Joe's prescribing Arnica 1M, one teaspoon twice daily to someone in his 80's he has never met?

Susan