Dear Susan,

Your words keep staying in my mind for whole day. Maybe you have touch something deep inside my heart.

You wrote:
It helped me greatly, but even Luc discovered as did Andre Saine, to move beyond naturopathy to classical homeopathy in order to truly cure people. Otherwise, you'll be taking bags of vitamins, herbs and remedies in a this for that fashion never truly experiencing what "cure" tastes like.

I started to know homeopathy from a local "homeopathy practionar"
This practionar use homeopathy and herbs and other naturopathy remedy for his patient. He did help many patient
including Cancer cases, Tumor cases....

As I am a beginner, during the year, I read many books and try to figure out the function of naturopathy and homeopathy.
Two months ago, I started a homeopathy medicial treatment through internet. This india doctor only use homeopathy remedy!
His price is much lower than the previous homeopathy parctionar. How nice if a patient can be cured with little money!

I am using both homeopathy and natropathy remedy for my family health. In my heart, I feel some contradiction is happening.
""Vitamins and herbs sounds more crucial than homeopathy remedy in health treatment""
Bottles and bottles of vitamins and herbs....

How you comprehend Luc sentence. Can a patient be cured without any of this vitamins and herbs?

Or, Luc means Vitamins and herbs can IMPROVE....Non Classical homeopathy can IMPROVE.
Only Classical Homeopathy can cure? Classical means without any aid from other source?

Best Regards,
Teresa

Susan,

What in tarnation is 'Munchausen's Syndrome'?

Jeff

>From this page: http://sids-network.org/experts/msp.htm

"Munchausen's Syndrome refers to a psychiatric disorder where patients pretend to have illnesses, and therefore are subjected to many medical tests and surgical procedures. Of course, these would never have been performed if the patient had not tried to fabricate them. However, the most notorious patients have often had dozens of surgical procedures for factitious (false) symptoms. Thus, this is a form of self-mutilation.

Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy (MSP) is a parenting disorder where parents, usually the mother, fabricate symptoms in their children, thus subjecting the child to unnecessary medical tests and/or surgical procedures. In some cases, the parents also inflict injury and can kill their children in the process. MSP is not rare in Apnea Programs. Apnea is the perfect disorder for MSP, because infants appear normal between episodes. Therefore, a parent can bring her baby to a medical facility, fabricate a history of an apparent life threatening event, and the baby will be admitted, many tests performed, sometimes even surgery (such as tracheostomomies) are performed. MSP parents can be quite good at this, often switching from doctor to doctor so that it is difficult for one individual to put it all together. There have been documented cases of MSP in apnea clinics. However, these are much rare than "true" infant apnea."

Tracy

In Munchausen Syndrome by Proxy (MSbP), a caregiver, usually the mother, feigns or induces an illness in another person, usually her or his child, to gain attention and sympathy as the "worried" parent. Although MSbP cases with feigned or induced physical illness receive the most attention, it is also possible in parents who emotionally abuse their child, then claim psychiatric and/or genetic problems.

I was interested to read the reference to the use of Arnica 6c in the post of David Fredrick above. He was quoting a statement made by Susan which I shall copy below:

"It is quite possible you have made an important contribution to classical
homeopathy by taking Arnica 6C daily for 8 years. This may be the proving
for Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy.

Susan"

As far as I am aware, I am the person who used Arnica on a daily basis since 1996 and I wonder if David can please connect my daily use of Arnica with proving Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy.

I am perhaps the only person in the world who has taken Arnica every night and I am convinced that I owe this remedy my present state of wellness at my advanced age of almost 76 years with BP 120/80 Pulse 65 with absolutely no ache or pain in my body. My resistance to common ailments is very good and my skin condition is that of a person 25 years my junior. I have not taken any drugs, especially antibiotics, for over 28 years except when I had surgery in 2002 and I believe that this factor too contributed to my state of health.

It is possible that I have made a significant contribution to Homeopathy by proving that the use of Arnica 6c on a daily basis may be the reason for my good health and I would recommend that anyone who reads this post also uses Arnica 6c every night for a week and experience the difference that it will make in his/her life.

__________________
Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka

Thank you all for the clarification

Jeff

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Your words keep staying in my mind for whole day. Maybe you have touch something deep inside my heart.

Teresa,

That would be wonderful since I have a knack for touching nerves.

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Originally Posted by Susan It helped me greatly, but even Luc discovered as did Andre Saine, to move beyond naturopathy to classical homeopathy in order to truly cure people. Otherwise, you'll be taking bags of vitamins, herbs and remedies in a this for that fashion never truly experiencing what "cure" tastes like.

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Originally Posted by Teresa I started to know homeopathy from a local "homeopathy practioner" This practioner used homeopathy and herbs and other naturopathy remedy for his patient. He did help many patients including Cancer cases, Tumor cases....

Not sure about the context of the quote but I don't see it as a contradiction. If you read through Chronic Diseases you will see Hahnneman listed on many pages almost every medical complaint known to man. In naturopathy, allopathy, etc. each of these ills/complaints, are basically dealt with individually, in a this for that fashion. You can also use homeopathic remedies this way. H is advocating that by constitutional prescribing one can hopefully alleviate/cure many of one's complaints at once and decrease progressive illnesses increase overall health by finding one remedy homeopathic to you based on rubrics choice, taking case history, understanding miasms, etc. So, when I said Luc and Andre have moved beyond naturopathy, I didn't mean to imply they don't believe it is useful just that they were illuminated in some way to the larger more accurate picture of how H viewed disease and cure and have become successful with it.

Personally, I use vitamins and herbs when needed because my constitutional treatment affects my most deepest complaints and does not eliminate some of my laundry list complaints. I usually won't use a remedy for acutes. For example, I got a severe sunburn today.

Checking on the web I found to take Vitamin E, C, selenium, etc. The homeopathic list had many remedies, none really fit what I had and the one that may have, Sol, would have to be mailordered. Also, some of the vitamins may be skin cancer preventative but what remedy would I take now to avoid skin cancer?

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Originally Posted by Teresa Or, Luc means Vitamins and herbs can IMPROVE....Non Classical homeopathy can IMPROVE.

Yes, yes but that's my view.

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Originally Posted by Teresa Only Classical Homeopathy can cure? Classical means without any aid from other source?

An acute illness, no, but it’s two different definitions of cure. Sure allopathy can cure many diseases to the point they are thought to be eliminated, sometimes they are, but doesn’t recognize what CH does of suppression and what can happen later on.

Only constitutional CH can cure the definition of homeopathic disease.

Susan

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Originally Posted by Blissgogo even Luc discovered as did Andre Saine, to move beyond naturopathy to classical homeopathy in order to truly cure people. Otherwise, you'll be taking bags of vitamins, herbs and remedies in a this for that fashion never truly experiencing what "cure" tastes like.

It is absolutely NOT true that only classical homeopathy can truly cure.

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Originally Posted by Blissgogo It is quite possible you have made an important contribution to classical homeopathy by taking Arnica 6C daily for 8 years. This may be the proving for Munchausen's Syndrome by Proxy.

After reading the explanations of what Munchhausen's Syndrome by Proxy is: would you please explain what you mean? It has been puzzling me.

Regards

Luise

Joe,

The Munchausen's reference was made TONGUE IN CHEEK. Maybe it needs a ";)" to be properly understood.

First, your Nat Phos 6x miracle weight loss treatment. I tried it, twice. It made me sick all day and then I had 2 days of intestinal cramps.

As for your Arnica 6C anti-aging longevity miracle, how can you ascertain that Arnica is providing these benefits? Maybe you inherited really good genes? What was your health like until age 68 before taking Arnica?

Have you tried stopping Arnica for a week or so and see what happens?
Have you tried different potencies of Arnica, 12C, 30C, 200C, ...?
How about taking the 6C every 2, 3 or 4 days?

Here in the US, there has been increased conventional allopathic recognition and publicity of what holistic MD's already knew for years that cellular inflammation plays a role in chronic diseases and aging. C-reactive protein is a test that measures the concentration of a protein in blood that indicates acute inflammation. New research is showing diet, stress, sugar, etc. effect inflammation. It may be possible that Arnica is reducing inflammation which is a silent symptom and could be viewed as ongoing trauma.

Maybe your body has become so accustomed to it's daily 6C that any change would be disruptive. I know my vital force has become addicted to the one remedy I have taken for 5+ years. After more than a month or two without it, I feel out of sorts and begin to deteriorate. Once I take the remedy, I begin to feel better. But my relative infrequent taking of my remedy is based on classical prescribing, your taking of Arnica is based on allopathic prescribing which could turn out to be a preventative.

Since I have a severe sunburn, I have a reason to take Arnica 6C and will report any positive or negative effects.

Susan

Dear susan
Cantharis 6c,or 12c will do better for you sunburn Include aloevera pure from the plant (the gell) to put on topically.
I have used cantharis many times in bali for really bad sunburns (not on myself but on the many fairskinned Dutch people that vacation there and stay in the insaine heat way too long).
It has always worked......................

Gina Tyler