Hi All,

I will answer some of the posts to-day or to-morrow.

Meanwhile I looked again at Dana's article and found a name I am familiar with. The "oldies" on this list will also be.

Michael Emmans Dean used to post quite a bit on Lyghtforce and other lists. Meanwhile he has become quite renowned as a medical historian. He got the Karls prize (whatever that is - but it is something good) for the Institute of Medical History of the Robert Bosch Stiftung in Stuttgart a few years ago for his dissertation

The Trials of Homeopathy

(Which is what is mentioned in Dana's article)

This dissertation has been published now by the Karl and Veronica Carstens Foundation's publishing house (kvc-Verlag) and can be ordered at
http://www.kvc-verlag.de/katalog/tit...B646659?tid=54

Price: Euro 18.40

Here is what it says on Dana's site about it:

"The Trials of Homeopathy" is the first systematic review of all clinical trials of homeopathy, predominantly in Europe and North America, from its beginnings to the 21st century. Dean shows that homeopathy has a long history of scientifically conducted trials that have not received the recognition they deserve. At a time when the place of homeopathy in a changing health landscape is under discussion, this work provides a valuable historical context.

This book includes a CD-ROM that includes several Appendices that provide details of all clinical trials that were excluded from this review of research (and the reason for their exclusion!), an outline of all controlled trials testing "classical homeopathy," all trials testing "complex homeopathy," all trials testing isopathic homeopathy, all trials that observed any "adverse reactions" to homeopathic medicines (or placeboes), and what the quality of each trial was determined to be (according to specific scoring). Needless to say, this CD-ROM alone is worth of price of this book!

So, all and any of you who are interested in the proof of homeopathy instead of just of potentized remedies should be interested in getting this book.

It is a bargain at Euro 18.40, which is probably only possible because the Robert Carstens Foundation is a non-profit organisation and probably even sponsored the publication (or IGM Bosch did).

I just ordered it myself.

Regards

Luise

Sorry I got confused - I am no expert on prizes.

The name of the prize Michael Emmans Dean got was "Hans Waltz Prize" or something like this.

The Karl's prize is something alltogether different - don't ask me what it is.

Regards

Luise

Dear all,

The Trials of Homeopathy

I can highly recommend that book which is already been available now for a year.

Michael presented some of the data at the LIGA congress 2 weeks ago in Berlin, really recommendable.

As for studies:

of course much has been done and still is done. As the discussion shows, not too many homoeopaths seemed interested, or more of them had known about this special book (JW wrote about it a year ago!).

At the LIGA congress another most interesting study was presented, pure classical homoeopathy, triple blind (not even the statistician knew if it was placebo or verum), randomized, conducted by Frei, Switzerland:" Homeopathy in hyperactive children: expereiences in a double-blind placebo-controlled cross-over trial with individualized prescription." BTW: This study took about 8 years - the results will soon be published.

Then of course, there are the studies done by Prof. Karen Nieber: In vitro experiments to study the effects of homeopathic dilutions etc.

Much interesting stuff already available......

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
Germany
http://www.curantur.de
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Luise, this sounds amazing!!! I wish my "do yesterday" list were a foot or two shorter, in which case I'd be on it in a second... *Please* feed us bits of what you read there, pretty please?

:-)
Shannon

Hi Gaby,

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Originally Posted by Gaby ... another most interesting study was presented, pure classical homoeopathy, triple blind (not even the statistician knew if if was placebo or verum), randomized, conducted by Frei, Switzerland:" Homeopathy in hyperactive children: expereiences in a double-blind placebo-controlled cross-over trial with individualized prescription." BTW: This study took about 8 years - the results will soon be published.

Do you know where it will be published?

Hi Shannon,

I think in the British Homeop. Journal, as there was an earlier study published by him in 2001 - I'll keep you posted as soon as I get the info.

Here's the info from the earlier study:

Br Homeopath J. 2001 Oct;90(4):183-8.

Comment in:
Br Homeopath J. 2001 Oct;90(4):178-9.

Treatment for hyperactive children: homeopathy and methylphenidate compared in a family setting.

Frei H, Thurneysen A.

Spezialarzt FMH fur Kinder und Jugendliche, FA Homoopathie SVHA, Laupen, Switzerland. dr.heiner.frei@swissonline.ch

The sharp increase of the prescription of methylphenidate (MPD) in hyperactive children in recent years is a matter of increasing uneasiness among professionals, parents and politicians. There is little awareness of treatment alternatives. The purpose of this prospective trial was to assess the efficacy of homeopathy in hyperactive patients and to compare it MPD. The study was performed in a paediatric practice with conventional and homeopathic backgrounds. Children aged 3-17 y, conforming to the DSM-IV criteria for attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) with a Conners Global Index (CGI) of 14 or higher were eligible for the study. All of them received an individual homeopathic treatment. When clinical improvement reached 50%, the parents were asked to reevaluate the symptoms. Those who did not improve sufficiently on homeopathy were changed to MPD, and again evaluated after 3 months. One hundred and fifteen children (92 boys, 23 girls) with a mean age of 8.3 y at diagnosis were included in the study. Prior to treatment the mean CGI was 20.63 (14-30), the mean index of the homeopathy group 20.52 and of the MPD-group 20.94. After an average treatment time of 3.5 months 86 children (75%) had responded to homeopathy, reaching a clinical improvement rating of 73% and an amelioration of the CGI of 55%. Twenty-five children (22%) needed MPD; the average duration of homeopathic (pre-) treatment in this group was 22 months. Clinical improvement under MPD reached 65%, the lowering of the CGI 48%. Three children did not respond to homeopathy nor to MPD, and one left the study. In cases where treatment of a hyperactive child is not urgent, homeopathy is a valuable alternative to MPD. The reported results of homeopathic treatment appear to be similar to the effects of MPD. Only children who did not reach the high level of sensory integration for school had to be changed to MPD. In preschoolers, homeopathy appears a particularly useful treatment for ADHD.

Best,

Gaby

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Gaby Rottler
Germany
http://www.curantur.de
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Hi Mike,

you are due for a scolding.

After pestering you for years to let me know if and when your dissertation would be published just anywhere - not a peep from you when it happened right under my nose.

Only a year later I found out about it by coincidence (the link in Dana Ullman's article) and almost at the same time by once again asking after it.:-)

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Originally Posted by Michael Anneliese told me you just ordered my book - Thanks, I hope you enjoy it. All profits go to the Carstens - no royalties for me! I signed a few copies at the Berlin congress.

Too bad I was not there - i would have loved an autogram:-)

See:

http://www.carstens-stiftung.de/news/news_aktuell/20050512_homoeopathie_weltkongress_teut.php

I don't know - but when I talked to Prof. Juette a few years ago - i.e. before he had studied or even read your dissertation - he seemed to ooze that typically supercilious attitude to homeopathy that scholars/scientists/other "realistic people" have-

In his book on Samuel Hahnemann published just recently he comes over as quite convinced of the value of homeopathy as compared to placebo:-o

So maybe you convinced him?

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Originally Posted by Michael Are you still busy with homeopathy?

Playing around with it as ever.

I don't belong to any homeopathy e-groups

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Too busy with work.

What are you working on now?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Hope you are well.

Thank you - same hope for you-

Gruesse

Luise

Hi Gaby,

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gaby Quote: Originally Posted by Louise Michael Emmans Dean used to post quite a bit on Lyghtforce and other lists. Meanwhile he has become quite renowned as a medical historian. He got the Karls price (whatever that is - but it is something good) for the Institute of Medical History of the Robert Bosch Stiftung in Stuttgart a few years ago for his dissertation The Trials of Homeopathy I can highly recommend that book which is already been available now for a year.

:-(( Michael is going to get a severe scolding. After pestering him for years now again and againto "please let me know if and when your dissertation is published anywhere" I expected him to let me know. I was not on the list when JW talked about it. I am really mad that it took me a year to find out.

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Originally Posted by Gaby Michael presented some of the data at the LIGA congress 2 weeks ago in Berlin, really recommendable.

Yes, this dissertation really seems to have made an impact. He was one of the lecturers last November (?) in Berlin at a seminar of the "Ärztekammer" (something official part of something like an euivalent to the AMA) on alternative medicine. But Berlin is too far for me to go there just for this one lecture)

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Originally Posted by Gaby As for studies: [snip] Then of course, there are the studies done by Prof. Karen Nieber: In vitro experiments to study the effects of homeopathic dilutions etc.

Yes - there have been quite a few of those, haven't there?

But there again - they are proofs of the possible effects of high dilutions, not of homeopathy.

Regards

Luise

Louise Kunkle: I have noticed your rational approach to debate. Unfortunately, little good has to date come out of inviting homeopaths to debate on the JREF forum, but I would still endeavour to say that I hope you would some day take a chance there.

Hans

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