Hi List,

I found a few urls that may present a rather unusual outlook on diabetes and nutrition/diets generally.

(I may be wrong and the outlook may be quite common?)

Here is one url a

http://www.healingcancernaturally.co...-diseases.html

and some lines from the introduction:

Proteothesaurismoses
Stored Protein Diseases

excerpted from the book Eiweißspeicherkrankheiten by Prof. Lothar Wendt, University of Frankfurt, Germany, web published and edited for enhanced readability by © Healing Cancer Naturally (with appended glossary)

Corrections of faulty premises

Before we can embark upon our subject of "STORED PROTEIN DISEASES", we have to correct three erroneous premises upheld by the presently valid doctrine of nutrition:

First error: fig. 10

It?s almost a dogma of the current nutritional doctrine that the increase of heart attacks (cardiac infarctions) since World War II, as far as nutrition is concerned, has been caused by the increasing fat consumption among the populations of the western industrialized nations. The yearly publications of the Statistisches Bundesamt (Federal Agency of Statistics) Wiesbaden and the Ministry of Nutrition in Western Germany, as well as the WHO publications, confirm however that during the last 30 years only the increase of animal protein consumption shows a correlation to the increase in the number of heart attacks.

1934 to 1978 heart attacks rise

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The nexr url may become (or already be) a favorite of the homeopaths - such beautiful definite statements such as that diabetes type one is due to medication - so claims of cure!

But there is a lot of useful information also.

http://www.doc-schnitzer.com/diabetes-secrets-expl.html

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I myself find Prof. Wendt's ideas very convincing! So especially the first url would IMHO be worth reading.

Regards

Luise

Luise and ALL, from my reading I believe that the "dogma" in the US now among those in the know is that inflammation of the arteries is responsible for creating a situation where excess cholesterol is caught and trapped, thus creating plaque on artery walls etc, etc. So not the consumption of fat per se, but the inflammatory process causes many heart problems.

Moreover, I have read since the late 80s or before that one of our chief problems (in the US anyway) is the homogenization of the milk we drink. Not the pasteurization, which is necessary if you don't have a healthy cow at home. :) Homogenization renders the fat molecules indigestible, non? So maybe they mount up?

That makes a whole lot of sense to me. Fortunately, we stopped drinking milk almost completely when we lived in Africa and have never taken up the habit again. I take calcium/mag. supplements, and so does my family when they think of it. We shall see, but I think--the Milk Lobby be damned (literally!!)--that we are healthier for it. At 62 (and with lots of exercise) I have only mild osteopenia on two scans, even though I have used only a bit of milk in tea for years. Several of my friends who drank milk and sodas and ate lots of milk have osteoporosis at my age.

Also there is the point about protein needing to bind to calcium (I think that is it) to be excreted, so a high protein (or high phosphorus--i.e. soft drink) diet relieves one of calcium.

And surely it is true that if you don't balance the calcium intake with magnesium (in fruits and veggies, but certainly not in milk, I believe) then you can't absorb the calcium even in the presence of fat.

Yet another point: calcium is not absorbed in the absence of fat, apparently. So the Milk Lobby is really doing us Americans a disservice by promoting 4 glasses a day of skim or 1% milk that gives a protein overload and unabsorbable calcium.

I would LOVE to stand corrected on any of these issues, if someone has more up to date information, of course.

BTW the first website you put on, Luise, is not accessibly written for the layperson, IMO. I did get the point that perhaps protein over-consumption is the reason why Dr. Atkins (at over 200 lbs--at least) died of congestive heart failure at an early age. There again, I would love to be corrected, as my son lives by the Atkins diet--and weighs 300 lbs. Is pre-diabetic. Makes me want to cry for us and for all of America...and sometimes wish we had stayed in Africa, endemic diseases and all.

Teresa (in VA)

See my pages for more info on truth of choleseterol
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/cholesterol.htm

Dr. Atkins did not die of congestive heart failure. He died from a head injury from a fall on the ice.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/health/...atements_x.htm

Sheri

Dear teresa
Hope all is well,i saw your post regards milk and wanted to add something.
Regards Autistic children milk is a toxin when given to them,the interaction happening within their body causes caos (sheri can explain this wonderfully)
Milk is loaded with antibiotics and hormones to make a fatter,more productive animal,and yes this all goes into the milk (besides the pesticide from the feed this cow eats) The ultimate cow would be the cow in your own backyard,fed only pure wholesome feed,no antibiotics,no hormones.
And while i'm at it no vaccines (seems like everything on this planet has to be vaccinated ).Same goes for myself never have drank milk ever in my life not even as a baby,i do not encourage the drinking of milk due to underlying problems like most carry the 'candida/yeast' within them,the milk thus causes more growth of this candid/yeast. Calcium can be taken via veggies like broc.
Eating so much meat is horrid,in Ayurvedic healing its best to keep a balance in all we do. But do know many vegans that are some of the healthiest people ,never eating any meats/animal.(my husband) Got rid of weight and diabetic onset via ommiting all animal products.
Another subject is cancer....protien feeds cancer,to abstain from animal protien is NOT a bad choice.
Gina Tyler

Not all milk is bad go to alcol butcher shop you cna get good meet and good milk there. we have a small store here in wyoming all there meat is localy raised excipt the fish whihc is bought from fisherman from that area that are from . the milk is from local cows and beliv em aroudn ehre in wyoming we don't use antiboitcs or strids and the cown are fed in the frest so they are on anturel diet and there meat and milk is heahlty

Hi Teresa,

a recent article in the NZ Herald reported on a study done in the US on vegans and bone density. Much to their surprise they found that vegans have really strong bones. They could only summise that they are clever enough to go out in the sun more than other people! They also found that they have a significantly lower occurance of a 'C-something' in their blood (can't remember, but think I have filed the article in my clinic so will look it up if you want) that is connected with heart disease, diabetes and other major illness; and also a low incidence of IGF-1 (again from memory) which is associated with breast and prostate cancer. The age range in the study was 35 - 88 years. Another article 2 days ago says that calcium supplements + vit D are useless for osteoporosis (from scientists at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland). They studied 5300 elderly people who had fractured a bone in the last 10 years. They divided the group into four and gave one calcium, one vit D, one both and one placebo. They followed up for up to 62 months and found no difference in the number of fractures in the different groups. They have recommended that drugs known as biophosphonates would be a better alternative for maintaining bone density.

Cheers
Chris

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I did get the point that perhaps protein over-consumption is the reason why Dr. Atkins (at over 200 lbs--at least) died of congestive heart failure at an early age.

Hmmmm. He died after hitting his head on the icy sidewalk after falling, on his way to work, at the age of 72.

He was six feet tall and his weight on admission to the hospital was 195. The consequent gain of 60 pounds took place over the two weeks he lay in a coma, as his organs failed one by one, including his heart... hence the congestive heart failure. The cause of death was listed as a brain hematoma after a blunt trauma.

I don't really think this matters, as it's possible to follow the principles of Atkins and still eat all kinds of **** and junk food and be totally unhealthy, but I don't like to see actual factual errors go unchallenged.


From http://msnbc.msn.com/id/4327741/ :
"Atkins' widow insisted that the weight on the leaked medical examiners report was the result of fluids pumped into him during nine days in intensive care as his life slipped away, a claim supported by numerous independent doctors we spoke with. Mrs. Atkins says she remembers this unnatural swelling all too well.
Veronica Atkins: "My husband was so bloated. He had very slender hands. And when he was in this bed, his hands were like ham hocks, this big. He was bloated, he did look like a balloon."

And Dr. Atkins' hospital admissions form seems to back her up. It shows he was a technically overweight but not obese 195 pounds. That was also born out by Dateline's visit with Dr. Atkins six weeks before the fall that killed him. He was an active 72-year-old, big, but not bloated and hardly obese.

What we could not see was the health of his heart.

Doctors who treated Dr. Atkins told Dateline that they knew of no hypertension or heart attack, but they confirmed that Dr. Atkins heart was weak. His congestive heart failure was a complication of a cardiac arrest he suffered in 2002. His coronary arteries also had problems requiring treatment, even though Atkins' doctor described them a year before his death as normal.

Dr. Patrick Fratellone treated Dr. Atkins from 1999 until 2002, and also worked with the doctor at the Atkins Center. He says Atkins suffered from cardiomyopathy, a chronic heart weakness. But this condition, he says, was caused by a virus not his diet.

Dr. Fratellone: "I was his attending cardiologist at that time. And I made the statement. When we did his angiogram, I mean, the doctor who performed it, said it's pristine for someone that eats his kind of diet. Pristine, meaning these are very clean arteries. I didn't want people to think that his diet caused his heart muscle - it was definitely a documented viral infection."

Dr. Fratellone stopped treating Dr. Atkins 10 months before he died, but insists the Atkins Diet was unrelated to his heart problems and had nothing whatsoever to do with his death."

Dr. Fratellone: "The man slipped on the ice and had a head injury, so he died. Don't blame his diet."

Christie Keith

Well, MILK per se is not loaded with those things. Factory-farmed milk is loaded with these things. They are not intrinsic parts of milk itself.

I wouldn't consume dairy products like that, but I do eat raw dairy products from grass-fed cows. I don't drink milk but I eat cream and cheese and I think that they are very healthful and delicious foods if they come from a good source.

Christie Keith

Ah! Thank you for clearing that up, Christie! I stand corrected.

Teresa

Hi Chris,

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Originally Posted by Chris Newenham ... Another article 2 days ago says that calcium supplements + vit D are useless for osteoporosis (from scientists at the University of Aberdeen, Scotland). They studied 5300 elderly people who had fractured a bone in the last 10 years. They divided the group into four and gave one calcium, one vit D, one both and one placebo. They followed up for up to 62 months and found no difference in the number of fractures in the different groups.

There are a bunch of possible reasons for this!
First, as with most nutrients, calcium is not absorbed nor used in a vacuum, and if not taken with necessary supporting nutrients, it can be worse than useless. As usual, the best way to get calcium is in a *food* source, where it comes "wrapped" in all those lovely "impurities", aka "supporting nutrients".

One biggie is Magnesium. If magnesium is low (either from inadequate diet, or because the adrenals are stressed and therefore not recycling magnesium adequately), then calcium cannot be absorbed; they are complementary and interdependent. If the body needs magnesium but is given calcium instead, the "magnesium debt" is worsened, and the calcium is not absorbed; the person is apt to *feel worse* (and absorb even *less* calcium).

There are a bunch of trace minerals which also play a very important role in calcium uptake and metabolism. I don't have those details right in mind, but for e.g. silica, boron and some others are all essential for bone-building.

It would be interesting to see that study re-done using calcium from *food* sources--veggies, figs, bone broth, what else... Or if pills are "de rigeur", using a source such as hydroxyapatite (bone matrix--calcium and trace minerals) or making use of work that *has* been done to work out what trace minerals and other nutrients are relevant, and supplementing those as well. It's too bad the University folks weren't aware of the issue (need for supporting nutrients), because it is *very* well-known in some circles!

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Originally Posted by Chris Newenham They have recommended that drugs known as biophosphonates would be a better alternative for maintaining bone density.

Fosamax, Actonel, etc. The main creepy thing I've read about those(and I have no way of knowing how accurate it is) is that the work by killing (yep, dead) the cells responsible for recycling calcium from the bones, and for upkeep and repair of the bones.

So (I read), by stopping the repair process they do bring about an initial increase in density, but it's unhealthy bone, and over a period of some years (ten?) becomes vulnerable to fractures of a different sort, and the person can actually wind up in *worse* shape than they would have been. After the initial "improvement".

But again, I have that only from an on-line source; would love to know how accurate it is!

Shannon