Hi All,

One point for consideration:

Since in NZ 50% of the population is non-vaccinated (and has been so I believe) - there should be in NZ a VERY significantly lower percentage of chronic illness as compared to say the USA.

Would be interesting to know whether that is indeed the case.

Regards

Luise

dear luise
dont know about NZ perhaps you should ask Julian Winston board member of the National Center for Homeopathy Im sure he can tell you. I do know regards this matter in Japan the government has delayed vaccination on babies till they are at least two years `old before any shots are given, and this has decreased the adverse effects that vaccines do to babies 3 months old.
I dont know if it is a mandetory vaccine scedule as it is here in the usa,so perhaps parents opt out all together. I did mention that in Calcutta it is noticed that vaccinated children are difficult to treat with homeopathy verses the unvaccinated babies that heal quickly when they are sick. The vaccines cause such turmoil within these small humans a homeopath has to move layers of toxin before the remedies work.I notice this also with my own patients,unvaccinated is easier to heal with remedies verses children of allopathic drug induced suppressive palliations.
G Tyler

I think there are too many variables for a straight comparison to be meaningful. There must be *lots* of differences between life in NZ and life in the US!

Shannon

Absolutely.

For example we have the dubious honour to have one of the highest rates of osteoporosis and childhood asthma. The link: dairy product consommation (see Journal of Epidemiology in the nineties).

Our high cancer rate, comparable to any western country, has been tied up to high level of use of herbicides, pesticides and insecticides (use dropping drastically lately).

OTOH, the general *impression* is that of a healthier population with a lot of centenarians active and kicking; physical activity is highly regarded and well practiced..........a.s.o......

Still, at least once a month, if not once a week, I have a new patient whose problem can be related or has been triggered by a vaccine. Of course I collect them, so my view is biaised, but the link is clear.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.

I will email Hilary Butler in NZ and see if 50% are unvaccinated.
Luise said 'she believed' that was so.

>From New Zealand expert in the vaccination issue

>From: "Hilary Butler" >
(email address given upon request)


The uptake for the first shots are about 93%, but it drops back to 86% for 2 year olds. However, when we have an epidemic, if you listen to Nikki Turner it becomes 62% and if you listen to Ossi Mansoor it becomes 75%. The reality is that they haven't counted the heads since 1992.

However, if you listen to the New Zealand medical Journal, the area I live in has the highest immunisation rate in the country, Rotorua has 91.14% for the whole schedule, and Christchurch boasts 94% for their district.

So there you go. Surely counting heads can't be that hard???

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath
http://www.nccn.net/~wwithin/homeo.htm

Wonder how high the takeup would be if the medics were NOT BRIBED to ensure a high take up by getting a bonus when they reach a certain figure?.

http://www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/c7ad5...3?OpenDocument

snip.............

Immunisation

Coverage

New Zealand has no reliable immunisation coverage information. There are some estimates from immunisation benefit claims data, which are available from 1994.

Earlier data are not available for all years and are less reliable as a different claim form was in use. In 1992 a national immunisation coverage survey was conducted. This found less than 60% of children were fully immunised by the age of two years.

The coverage survey was repeated for the Northern region in 1996. Small improvement in coverage had occurred.

The survey report is available in these files:
Immunisation Coverage in North Health Full Text (PDF, 126 kB) and
Immunisation Coverage in North Health Summary (PDF, 28 kB)

Hi Gina,

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Originally Posted by Gina dont know about NZ perhaps you should ask Julian Winston board member of the National Center for Homeopathy Im sure he can tell you. I do know regards this matter in Japan the government has delayed vaccination on babies till they are at least two years `old before any shots are given, and this has decreased the adverse effects that vaccines do to babies 3 months old.

This is indeed something worth fighting for.

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Originally Posted by Gina I dont know if it is a mandetory vaccine scedule as it is here in the usa,so perhaps parents opt out all together. I did mention that in Calcutta it is noticed that vaccinated children are difficult to treat with homeopathy verses the unvaccinated babies that heal quickly when they are sick.

Did you study in the clinic of Dr. Banerji? Something you said in a previous mail gave me this idea.

If so - you might be interested what Dr. Banerji has to say about the question of who is easier to treat (he did not mention vaccination, or least it did not stick in my mind if he did - so I cannot give his opinion on that matter.

By his own statement the Banerji clinic has been the largest in the world for almost a century, so his observations should be valuable.

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Susceptibility to Diseases
(from Advanced Materia Medica, Vollume 1, Philosophy)

Of course there is susceptibility to a disease varying from person to person which they (other schools) tried to cover as "Immunity" which is a very unknown phenomenon. How it grows and disappears nobody knows.

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A man builds his constitution by the repeated influences around him every
day. The presence of bacteria and other chemical agents available in Nature around him gives him some susceptibility to some diseases. Because as mentioned in previous chapters I wrote about the constitution, which is always altering in man by the repeated inception and adaptation of external influences like bacteria, injuries, exposures to natural effects of weather and environments, etc., on him to make him either tolerant or leave him susceptible to the effects of those. The quantum of such agents have got
limitations in Nature around him. One man from India is much more tolerant to
several bacteria or causes of deviation from health than any man from U.S.A. or Europe. **The people in those countries other than India are living in excess of cares of so called hygiene. But they have lost their normal health.**

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they fall sick more easily than one Indian villager who can not afford to have filtered water, a proper house to bring up children hygienically, no toothpaste for bacteria free cleaning, no umbrella to cover their head in scorching sun at 118 F of summer noon where he has to walk ten miles a day. If they are sick, then they deserve it. But my extensive practice among the extremely poor men in India as well as rich people in India and in Europe and U.S.A., I found susceptibility to a ' disease is more out side India than in India in a man. The
more a man lives naturally with Nature the more he is healthy.

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Thus he does not seem to share the idea that improved sanitation and living conditions have brought about the decrease of epidemics and/or infectious diseases in the West.

And to my prejudiced mind he also seems to say that the fact that children from poor families in Calcutta heal quicker and better may be due to the affluent portion living the way the Europeans do - which would include vaccination (although I am not sure about the latter - surely there have been drives in India to vaccinate the poor?) but not limit it to that.

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Originally Posted by Gina The vaccines cause such turmoil within these small humans a homeopath has to move layers of toxin before the remedies work.I notice this also with my own patients,unvaccinated is easier to heal with remedies verses children of allopathic drug induced suppressive palliations.

This is typical (un) reasoning - pardon me Gina -- I do not mean that personally but as a category.

The few people that have their children unvaccinated will in many other respects also differ from the rest. Their nutrition will be different, their way of spending their free time, their upbringing of children up to perhaps even reducing the amount of TV. So you really have no idea which of the factors may influence the ease of reaction.

I wish I could get an idea how the Japanese came to the decision to postpone the vaccinations to after 2 years of age. I very much supect, however, that the proponents of such actions had a different line of arguments.

Regards

Luise

Hello Everyone,

I am an American who has practiced in the USA and India for many, many years. I would like to say that what Dr. Banerji is saying has some merit but it cannot be taken too far. First of all, so many children die young in India under bad hygienic conditions and infectious disease that only those with a strong resistance even make it too five years old. People living in unhygienic conditions on bad food do NOT live a healthy life. There is no doubt that those areas in India with better hygiene and living conditions are MUCH more healthy than those that live in dirty conditions on poor nutrition, etc.. I have seen the difference first hand though my world wide travels. Many of the rich are not that healthy because they abuse themselves with too much of everything. One cannot get too carried away with the idea that poor people living in squaller are healthier than those that have better living conditions. This an exaggeration of an observation that does possess some merit.

There is no doubt that the revolution in hygiene and food storage reduces the spread of infectious diseases. This is true during the 18th and 19th century in the West. I have seen changes in villages in India over the past 25 years due to the use of clean water, toilets and the safe removed of waste. The people are healthier and happier. Children in the poor districts of Calcutta are not healthy. They are dirty, sick and hungry. Some have been so damage in the first five years by poverty, infectious diseases and malnutrition that do not heal quickly. I have seen them firsthand. Those who live in the country side, and are not too poor, are much better off. If we take the Banerji's statement too literally then we should have everyone get rid of clean water, sanitation and the hygienic food so every will get healthier. This is simply not the truth. There is a balance in health and harm in excesses.

Nevertheless, the excessive use of antiseptics, chemically treated and fluoridated water, over immunizations, the abuse of antibiotics, fungicides and steroids, etc., has had a serious impact on the immune system in what I will called "over developed countries". An increase in allergies, asthma and some other diseases has been linked to "excessive hygiene" in Western countries! Excessive (might I say anal retentive) hygiene has removed so many of the relatively harmless bacteria, mites, fungi, etc., that the immune system suffers from *lack of exposure* in the early years. This is the conclusion of many scientific studies.

When excessive hygiene is combined with the abuse of antibiotics, antifungals, antivirals, etc., and over immunization the outcome is a weaken immune system and faulty reactions. This contributes to the inner and outer suppression of the acute, half acute and chronic miasms as well toxcity. This syndrome produces two extremes of reactions, i.e, over sensitivity leading to autoimmune diseases and allergies and hyposensitive leading to immunoeficiency disorders. This is making people harder to treat with homeopathy because our remedies work by the action-reaction model based on the vital force. When more persons over reactive or under reactive our job becomes more difficult.

Those who still live in the countryside and are exposed to normal parasitical pathogens actually suffer less of these modern problems. This is also the conclusion of several scientific reports. The immune system is supposed to learn how to fight diseases not have everything killed for it. When one combines todays tendency to *excessive* hygiene, over immunization, the abuse of antibiotics and other drugs with environmental degradation, over urbanizations, over population, etc., the outcome is faulty adaption, lack of resistance and idiosyncratic reactions.

Another aspect left out in Dr. Banerji's assessment is the psychological differences between those brought up in South Asian culture and Western cultures. Since the end of WW II there has been a radical increase in population, urbanization, and the number of persons working indoors in factories and offices in western countries. This is combined with the break down of the multi-generation families and the increase in nuclear families where both parents work. The increase in the pace of modern life, and the stress and strain associated with it, has had a great effect on the psyche and soma of people in the 1st world. it!

People are now so divorced from nature that many are suffering what may be called diseases of over civilization. This comes with an increase in obsessive compulsive, hysterical, hypochondriacal and anxiety neurosis as well as paranoid diseases and mood affective disorders like mania, manic-depression, melancholia. The outcomes is an increase in premature dementia, suicidal states, homicidal states, criminal insanity, sex crimes, psychosis and schizophrenia. In general Indians are more tolerant and contented than westerners because they have to be more adaptive. Many westerners act like little more than spoiled children who do not know how well they have it and cannot be satisfied by anything. This is true both mentally and physically.

The answer to the affects of all this modern stress is more drugs and suppression! Children raised in the new "rat race" are increasing put on psychoactive chemicals which suppress the natural reaction of the unconscious to negative situations without any real attempt at problems solving. Teenagers suffering from the effects of normal adolescent changes are put on drugs rather than giving support and counseling. Adults are increasing using psychoactive chemicals as suggested by so-called "consumer advocacy groups" which are supported by drug companies. People are given questionnaires that make it seem like everyone needs to take psychoactive drugs! Now they speak of "life enhancement" through these chemical which is little more than legal recreational drug pushing. General practitioners are giving massive amounts of these drugs to a greater number of patients with no psychological intervention. The entire Western culture is breaking down under the onslaught of the multi-national drug companies and their control of the environment, the inner terrain of the body and the psyche.

People cannot stand their governments and governments cannot stand their people.Children cannot stand their parents and parents cannot stand their children. Men cannot stand women and women can not stand men. Old people cannot stand young people and young people cannot stand old people. The middle age persons are dissatisfied and view the future with dread. Families, societies and the entire nations are suffering from ethical, psychical, and physical breakdown and this collective psychoses is increasing. Add to this the so-called war on terrorism and we have an increase in fear, paranoia, alienation, false nationalism, racism and religious and cultural prejudice. In the mean time the military industrial complex is thriving. All of this is having a dramatic effect on the psychological and physical health of millions.

This decline of humanity is reached epidemic proportions in Western countries and getting worse in counties that take on rapid westernization. I have only pointed out a few angles of what is increasingly become group suppression of the body's needs, group hysteria and group psychoses. What is really interesting about this is that it was all predicted by Samuel Hahnemann in the introduction to the Organon!!! The Founder wrote:

"As long has humanity has existed, people have been exposed, individually and collectively, to illnesses of physical and moral causes. In the raw state of nature few means were needed, since the simple way of life admitted but few diseases. With civilization, however, the occasions for falling ill, and the need for help against diseases grew in equal measure. From then on (from after Hippocrates therefore for two thousand years) people have occupied themselves with the testament of ever more self-multiplying diseases. In the puzzling out how to help, using intellect and presumptions, they allowed themselves to be seduced by their vanity. Countless different view about the nature of disease and their redress sprang from so many very different heads."

As long as humanity has existed people have been exposed both individually and collectively to illness of mental and physical causes. This statement implies has a dual nature, i.e., the collective and individual as well as the psychic and somatic. We suffers both individually and well as collectively from mental and psychical causes. When human beings lived in harmony with nature they suffer a less complicated state but with the advent of civilization they now suffer from a host of every multiplying diseases of a more and more complex nature. These symptoms have been met with new drugs, suppression and unnecessary surgeries which only produce more troublesome mutations of increasing destructive powers. I call this Hahnemann's Genesis because it deals with the "fall of humanity".

Many of these conditions are now called "diseases of civilization" because they have reached massive proportions in Westernized countries and are increasing in counties taking on rapid westernization. These are based on the suppression to the environment by the excessive use of antiseptics, pest control and herbicides with the internal suppression of all infections with antibiotics, antiviral, fungicides and vermifuges as well as over immunization one witnesses an increasing damage to immune system and an increase of chronic degenerative diseases. Now we have over population, over urbanization, ]chemical, nuclear and electromagnetic pollution and climate change on the outside and suppression, chemical toxins, faulty adaptation and ethical and mental degeneration on the inside. With it has come the decline of the family, of long term relationships and social responsibility. There is a desecration of civilization individually and collectively that is reaching serious pathological proportions that threaten the survival of the human race.

My dear homoeopaths, what we are facing today is of apocalyptic proportions. The modern epidemic of over and under reaction as well as idiosyncratic responses is just one more reason to learn Hahnemann's advanced techniques and the methods of adjusting the dose and repetitions of the C and LM potency when needed. We must prove more remedies in the traditional manner and make a deeper study of individual and collective causes. It is one more reason to study the effects of drugs, suppression and the miasms. It is one more reason to assess the attending circumstances like constitution, temperament, predisposition, lifestyle, habits, occupational hazards as well as personal and social relationships. It is one more reason to come to terms with poisonings by chemicals. It is one more reason to study the long term affects of occasioning and continual maintaining causes that cannot be avoided. It is one more reason to pray and work for humanity as a whole.

Similia Minmus
Sincerely, David Little

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"It is the life-force which cures diseases because a dead man needs no more
medicines."

Samuel Hahnemann