dear colleagues,

I request all of you to share your clinical experience on the use of homoeo remedies for de-addiction.

I do understand that there is a lot of classical literature on this / materia medica references / repertory listings. however, the choice of remedies is not easy or the results doubtful.

may I request you to share your experience, with all of us. please delve in your successful cases records, if any, and let us know the remedies (with dosage) for the following indications:-
(personally tested and verifed info, only)

1) chronic alcoholism.
2) alcohol withdrawal symptoms / delirium tremens
3) high craving for alcohol
4) drunken brawls
5) opium habit
6) cannabis habit
7) cocaine habit
8) morphine habit
9) tobacco habit (in any form)
10) long term effects of a)tobacco b)alcohol c)opium d)cannabis e)cocaine f)morphine
11) any other experience with any other intoxicant.
12) any tips or suggestions on the homeopathic tratment of de-addiction / detoxification.

thanks in advance,
dr manish agarwala

Oh, boy. Here we go again. In my experience, we become addicted to other people and things, including the substances you mention, because we have no experience of our own soul's power. We look for power outside of ourselves. Sometimes this is the power to forget or sometimes to remember. Sometimes to transcend or escape from, sometimes to enter into. Assuming this is true in a general sense, can a little white pill (something outside of ourselves that we take into ourselves) fix this? Might it be a tad foolish or even hubristic to think that taking a "better drug" can cure a disease of the soul? My point is not to denigrate homeopathy but to caution it. If you are inclined to take on addicts as patients, they will require much more from you than little white pills.

Richard Knapp

I have helped a number of addicts - worst was Valium. Always said that I can help but you do the HARD work!.
All you can do is locate the hereditary/ constitutional remedy for the individual person . This will be of great help , also moral support. Time consuming and exhausting.
Alcohol addiction often comes under the syphilitic miasm.

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Originally Posted by Richard In my experience, we become addicted to other people and things, including the substances you mention, because we have no experience of our own soul's power.* We look for power outside of ourselves.* Sometimes this is the power to forget or sometimes to remember.* Sometimes to transcend or escape from, sometimes to enter into. Assuming this is true in a general sense, can a little white pill (something outside of ourselves that we take into ourselves) fix this?* Might it be a tad foolish or even hubristic to think that taking a "better drug" can cure a disease of the soul?* My point is not to denigrate homeopathy but to caution it.* If you are inclined to take on addicts as patients, they will require much more from you than little white pills.

Slightly depends on how the addiction happened, doesn't it?* Tobacco and alchohol are usually things we do pretty directly to ourselves, and both of them also tend to have a lot of ritual and/or social involvement around them--how many long term genuine ex smokers still say they don't know what to do with their hands?* (Which may be a soul power thing of course.)* Allopathic drugs like antidepressants seem to me in a slightly different category in that the patient has probably given too much of their power to the doctor, but that's still in a way one remove.* My experience is too limited for generalisations but I've heard a number of homeopaths say they have a pretty good success rate getting people off antidepressants and *no* homeopaths say they have a pretty good success rate with tobacco (somewhere in between with alcohol).* It certainly depends on client *motivation* though.*

I sometimes think that as a beginner I'm having more trouble with the people side than the homeopathy side.* I've had one person stop coming to see me BECAUSE she found herself losing her taste for tobacco!!!* She didn't come to me for that but she admitted that she'd tried quitting many times and would love to stop.* But she couldn't stand it when it might have really started happening.* Arrrgh.* I know about people doing things when they're ready and it's their decision and their comfort zone but . . .

I have someone who claims to really want to come off ciggies now and I've said dubiously that I'm willing to try to help but that the odds weren't very good.* Usually I say something like that homeopathy can usually make some positive difference for most things although I can't promise anything AND it may take a while--because I want the person to feel hopeful because that'll make success likelier.* I feel like I'm coshing myself or homeopathy or the patient saying 'not very likely' but it seems dishonest to claim more sometimes and maybe nicotine addiction is one of those times.

Does anyone else say 'I'll help but the odds aren't good' to patients about anything in particular?* I know this varies with the patient too, but how do you judge how good a face to put on it?

Robin

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Originally Posted by Robin Tobacco and alchohol [sic] are usually things we do pretty directly to ourselves,

And heroin, cocaine, candy, marijuana...are done "indirectly"?

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Originally Posted by Robin and both of them also tend to have a lot of ritual and/or social involvement around them--

Then explain the solitary drinker/smoker.

This is the first time I have been moved to give an angry answer, but this is something I do know a bunch about. And Robin's e-mail really hurts (me)!

Robin, you have obviously never been in a state of Major Depression or on a Bipolar high, or in a state of total insomnia for weeks on end. Better try one or all of those before you make such statements...even prefaced by "probably" and "[my] experience is too limited for generalizations".

I used to think, too, that diet, exercise, etc. etc. could keep one out of the hands of conv. med. And safe from depression. I had to learn the very hard way that they are perhaps quite useful for so-called **situational** depression, but not for its bio-chemical relative.

One of the best known American homeopaths was not able (in 2002) to keep me out of the clutches of "the doctor". After repeated attempts, and as I drifted deeper and deeper into the morass, she told me that she "could not get anything to hold" and that I should "go see a psychologist" [sic!]

I had been in conv. medicine's clutches 3 times before that, with a psych ward stay of three weeks, here in VA, sent home (med-evac'ed) from Moscow! Wanna hear about that?! I had weaned myself from anti-depressants 3 times because I did not want to be in their clutches. (In Moscow, I had found no alternative.)

This fourth time, back here in VA, I well knew that I needed a **psychiatrist** if H failed, but it took me 4 weeks to get in to see someone in our network. Having been overseas until that time and in the "care" of our Med Unit, I had none. I should have gone to the first one who had an open appt, after my homeopath gave up on me, but I had not yet learned that lesson.

I am not faulting my then homeopath. I am saying that "depression" is a much deeper problem than your cheery email would imply. You really need to qualify your statements, IMHO

If you indeed know of "homeopaths [who say] they have a pretty good success rate getting people off antidepressants"--those with bio-chemical depression, that is, that is,--please email me some names--personally.

You continue: "[it] depends on client *motivation*."

Excuse me, but from personal experience: the hell it does! If the patient is bio-chemically *depressed*, homeopath beware!

Teresa

PS I had a friend who lost her taste for tobacco, because another friend put 5 or 6 little pins in the smoker's ear cartilage. Acupuncture, done in Moscow. Cigarettes tasted nasty suddenly.

My smoker friend held out for a few days, then took out the pins and went back to smoking.

So on that point, I can agree with you--and my reflexologist (the same smoker friend). Not everyone really wants to be helped.

I do. Teresa

Does anyone else say 'I'll help but the odds aren't good' to patients about anything in particular? I know this varies with the patient too, but how do you judge how good a face to put on it?

Hmmm sounds like anyone who has psoriasis with me. I tell them that homoeopathy can work, but I may not be the right practitioner for them

love and peace
Caroline :-) xxxx

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Originally Posted by Teresa Robin, you have obviously never been in a state of Major Depression or on a Bipolar high, or in a state of total insomnia for weeks on end. Better try one or all of those before you make such statements...even prefaced by "probably" and "[my] experience is too limited for generalizations".

You have ****NO IDEA**** what my personal experience is. It is not possible to be definitive or exhaustive in an email list, even if I wanted to be, which I don't. I was trying to continue a conversation/thread with a FEW ideas. I'm sorry you've had such a rough time . . . but you know what? **So have I.**


My basic attitude--as I have just been saying to someone off list--is that the real problem is that us clients and us homeopaths are *mortal*. A lot of the time, *I* guess, **homeopathy** could cure . . . but *we* fail. I include myself--I have to--in the 'failed' category. I prefer to believe I'm still trying for a 'cure'. If you want to say that's because I'm new to homeopathy--which I am--that's your prerogative. (And by the way, I've been pursuing the diet-nutrition-and-exercise route, with occasional lashings of psychotherapy and bodywork, for thirty years.) For me, membership on this list is one token of trying.

Robin

Robin and List, my tone in yesterday's emails concerning de-addictions was completely uncalled for. I am very sorry.

Teresa