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Old 21st December 2004, 10:15 AM
Caroline Spear
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I am feeling at the end of my tether... Bearing in mind that this is my daughter I am talking about, so maybe I am too close to the case, but this is bound to happen to me with a patient at some stage....

Why oh why, does she start off with a new homoeopath, who seems to get "good results"..and then homoeopathy grinds to a halt, and there have either been set backs, so we seem to be back to where we started, or there is just no improvement?

She has not got off steroids since June with the asthma. Maybe it is time to accept that homoepathy is the wrong type of treatment for her?

I have several patients whose parents insist on vaccinating them, and everytime they do, there is a return of old symptoms, which I treat homoeopathically, and they are well again. Infact, I have seen that 2 of the children are getting less severe reactions with each set of jabs since starting homeopathic treatment.

But my daughter? Well, the fact that she is getting wheezy in certain situations, even with steroids again, does nothing for my confidence in homeopathic treatment for her.

As always, I would really appreciate some honest responses.

Caroline

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Old 21st December 2004, 12:05 PM
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Caroline, don't give up on homeopathy!

As a therapist/coach, I have had lots of experience with clients on steroid treatment for COPD/asthma. Almost always, the root is an emotional issue..... a good question to ask your daughter is "How do you feel ABOUT this discomfort?" Check out an Energy Psychology therapist at http://www.emofree.com ....... there should be a UK practioner listed. This treatment is an excellent adjunct to finding the homeopathic "mentals" without having to speculate/interpret symptoms.

Come to think of it, there's a homeopath, Dr. Tam Llewellyn in Wales, who knows how to do this.... she/he contributed to this list some years ago.... may still be lurking on this list.

Brian R. Connelly, LMHC

http://www.bestcoaching.org

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Old 21st December 2004, 12:25 PM
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Honest response:
I have treated a lot of asthma here in flat ol Norfolk, there;'s a lot of it about

Some cases disappear after the first Rx others drag and drag, and just will not shift. Most are dealt with in the following way: treat as an acute initially
to relieve sx. ( if no acute Sx due to inhalers etc, deal with vaccs etc first) Look for constitutional picture. keep constitutional Rx til later. Get rid of overlaying layers first. Only give constitutional Rx if very clearly indicated i.e. if Px has the energy to produce the clear picture. Give aetiological and acute picture Rxs to clear way. I use the bowel nosodes a lot, the vaccs Rxs , esp vaccinotox etc. The easiest are where there is an obvious emotional aetiology, wish more were like that! theres too much to explain in a nutshell, but just to say some are hey presto and some are conundrums.

When all the obvious has been looked at, vaccs, maintaining cause etc. then it is the inherited stuff that's left and that can sometimes be a pig to shift. When I lose perspective on a case I send them to someone else I am clear that I have my perspective and it isn't perfect. I learned this from my own experience wit homeopathy I saw three very highly recommended very highly qualifried dudes who did very little for me over an extended period of time and at great expense. A fourth did amazing things on the first visit, was unorthodox ( no not polypharmacy before you start nodding the heads wisely) - had a completely different perspective as to where I was coming from etc. I persevered cos I knew homeopathy worked in principle, otherwise I would have given up way before.

The greatest confidence booster I got was curing my very first case. The child also had beta thallasaemia, and a history of jaundice, eczema,. I used unusual prscribing strategies and they got completely better Direction of cure very clear. After that I was convinced nothing could stop me , then I got the ones that drag and drag. But I didn't lose heart cos I knew it could be done.The only difference is that I prescribe much less aggressivly now and much more classically than I used to. Therefore I can say that my success with asthma has dropped since I became more classical. So either Im **** at classical prescribing or there are other strategies that can do what it cannot. ( I don't have the answer to that one!)

My thoughts on asthma locally at least are that it is very much affected by environmental factors. This is a highly agricultural area. It has one of the highest incidences of asthma in the country.

other Clues:
1/- a TV program showed how there was an unexplained and dramatic increase in asthma in brazil. After much searching and time tey discovered it was CAUSED by the unloading of soya from ships. Microscopic irritant soya particles blown on the wind were the culprit 2/ - Locally I saw some people who developed skin lesions and these people were all from the same village. We worked out eventually that it was caused by an interaction with the mercury in their filings with a process at the offshore gas plants that released Thiols ( mercaptains) as part of the process. When the wind blew inshore they produced these skin lesions. ( I had a very unclassical solution to that one!) The point is ENVIRONMENTAL pollutants, often covert, can be a major
maintaining cause of asthma.

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Old 21st December 2004, 01:35 PM
Caroline Spear
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Thank you all for your replies

Simon, I still have my notes from a long phone call with you last year, they
are a source of inspiration! One of the difficulties is her stubborn nature and refusal to do the things that help, so it is also a battle to keep her in line at times. I had hoped that homoepathy would help with this attention seeking aspect of her.

Emotions do affect her. She will also refuse to see therapists, and to be honest, we do have a limited income, so there is only so much we can afford to do.

She has been on the same remedy since June, LM prescribing certainly helped up till about 6 weeks ago, now there is no change but her homoeopath seems to think we should continue on the same remedy in a higher potency.

Changing remedy too often in the past certainly has not helped either..Am wondering if it is time to change her homoepath too.

Otherwise, am not sure that there have been any environmental changes. And we don't vaccinate, and avoid many artificial additives etc in our diet.

Thanks

Caroline :-)

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Old 21st December 2004, 05:15 PM
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Hi Caroline,

Do you have any idea why she refuses to do things that help? Does she *realize* these things will help and not want to be helped, or is she just being willful and not realizing the consequences?

Shannon

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Old 21st December 2004, 05:35 PM
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Besides what I sent from Will Taylor, certainly if this remedy has been helping, then very possibly needs a higher potency. You don't just change remedies at this point if this one was working. Also of course obstacles to cure which you know.

If this homeopath has helped, why not try a higher potency?

Sheri Nakken, R.N., MA, Classical Homeopath

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Old 21st December 2004, 05:42 PM
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Default Asthma & Kent

Kent said that homeopathy never fails - only the person administering it . Always there is someone who has the answer , the only problem, is finding them . This site is probably the best place.
My personal method is to always start with a miasmatic nosode . I once dealt with a young girl whose behaviour told me what I needed to know . When an attack was about to occur she would go into the kitchen and eat sugar by the spoonful. I used Psorinum high and followed it up with silica.
So do not abandon homeopathy.
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Old 21st December 2004, 05:45 PM
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Hi Simon,

Very interesting!!! (I can't resist asking whether you explore the water connection with your patients--whether they are drinking enough pure water? but aside from that...)

Can you say any more about how your approach to asthma changed as your prescribing became "more classical", and why you don't just reverting to your prior "less classical" approach with asthma patients? Did that work less well in other ways, or is it more a matter of habit, or?

Shannon

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Old 21st December 2004, 07:25 PM
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yes no salt. lots of water etc.

I was influenced by the Society of Homeopath's propaganda - until I discovered that many SOH members claim to do one thing but in fact do another. i.e. don't practice what the SOH preaches., mind you the SOH probably doesn't know it! The SOH though were taken to court over their claims and had to amend their literature

A LOT of homeopaths pay lip service to 'classical' prescribing, and simply don't talk about what else they do ( even if it works) out of fear of ridicule and peer pressure.

I concluded that once I had become successful I could afford to concentrate on 'classical' homeopathy- I stopped using a lot of useful stuff in an effort to practice this elite form of homeopathy preached by many but made effective ( across the board) by the few - there's more to it than that, but it's not for this list. Put it this way - I was really succesful and it wasn't just on so called
'classical' homeopathy.

SK

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Old 23rd December 2004, 12:15 AM
Steve & Christine Wilson
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while doing a respiratory assessment module for work I came across this web site which has some very interesting links for asthma not homeopathic but good none the less. there are various links here to asthma

www.cinemed.com


cheers chris
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