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#51 (**permalink**) 28th November 2004, 11:55 PM

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Originally Posted by susanne ziegler

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MM allegedly from Divya Chaabra (maybe the person who offered this to the list could give further confirmation by telling us specifically where this came from?):

Hi Andy,

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Originally Posted by susanne ziegler

The info came from a seminar with Divya about a year and a half ago. My understanding is that this first section represents mental / emotional states present in people who were subsequently successfully treated with the swan remedy. I've just e-mailed Divya (hoping that the address I have is still working) to clarify that with her. If I hear back I'll pass on what she has to say.

Thank you, Susanne. Very good of you to post this originally and to follow up on it for us---and if there is more about Swan from Divya that you have in notes then this might be useful for all concerned. If not-- fine, what you posted from Divya is quite useful as clinically confirmed context in order to bring Swan to mind for a case in the clinic. It has made for useful discussion as well. Thank you.

Best to all,
Andy

#52 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 01:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Simon King

Quite agree , especially about the nux-vom @ seminar:-)However we do need to draw a line somewhere. Wasn't it Blackie who gave bufo sucessfully once because she thought the child resembled a toad? so do we now put 'looks like a toad-bufo' in our MM & repertories, or not? Will we have new homeopaths who end up first line prescribing ant-c for people that look like pigs, swan for those with long necks, bat for those in a flap, etc (hmmm I have a long neck - I wonder.....)

But surely this is where, as David talked about, knowledge of materia medica comes into play. Blackie would not have prescribed Bufo for a child who looked like a toad but behaved like a miniature scholar (or whatever). She *thought* of Bufo because of the appearance, then *gave* it because of her deeper understanding of *the remedy*, and the fact that *it fit the patient*!

Shortcuts are just great if you basically know where you're going and have a good sense of how the land lies. But if you don't, they can be a heckuva poor substitute for a map!

:-)
Shannon

#53 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 09:25 AM

Crumbs Simon
I would never have thought of such a flat place being so wonderfully diverse

can you send some of it down to boring Bognor please??

Caroline :-)
Free Range Education The Book About Home Education :-)

#54 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 11:45 AM

But zees eees my question...when does this get into the MMs etc.
example swan......

#55 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 01:25 PM

All good materia medicas list their sources, so if you are going to doubt what you read in the MM's you need to further your research by checking thoroughly with those sources, then you can make your decision as to whether you accept it or not. But I think we have to be very careful about rejecting information just because we don't care for the acting homeopath who is responsible for the information - an open mind surely is the best way forward.

Joy

#56 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 02:25 PM

Of course , of course, all I'm saying is let us question and check.
That's all.

SK

#57 (**permalink**) 29th November 2004, 03:15 PM

Oh, argh! I know that's why *I* periodically cough up bucks for seminars and what-not! Not to mention the occasional expensive new book (or computer program or whatever). And heck, maybe *that's* the reason I've never prescribed Swan!

And oh yeah, one of the (many) reasons I hang out in places like this.
:-)

Shannon

#58 (**permalink**) 30th November 2004, 07:25 AM

At 06:43 AM 11/29/2004, you wrote:
>But surely this is where, as David talked about, knowledge of materia medica
>comes into play. Blackie would not have prescribed Bufo for a child who
>looked like a toad but behaved like a miniature scholar (or whatever). She
>*thought* of Bufo because of the appearance, then *gave* it because of her
>deeper understanding of *the remedy*, and the fact that *it fit the
>patient*

Hello,

I once had a convulsion patient that looked a bit like a toad and liked
to "jump around the yard". This was not the only symptoms I used but the
Bufo in LM potency cured the young man!

>Shortcuts are just great if you basically know where you're going and have a
>good sense of how the land lies. But if you don't, they can be a heckuva
>poor substitute for a map!

Well said.
Sincerely, David Little

>:-)
>Shannon
>
>on 11/28/04 5:24 PM, Simon King at sk2004@ntlworld.com wrote:
>
> > Quite agree , especially about the nux-vom @ seminar:-)
> > However we do need to draw a line somewhere
> > Wasn't it Blackie who gave bufo sucessfully once because she thought
> > the child resembled a toad?
> > so do we now put 'looks like a toad-bufo' in our MM & repertories, or
> > not?
> > Will we have new homeopaths who end up first line prescribing ant-c for
> > people that look like pigs, swan for those with long necks, bat for
> > those in a flap, etc (hmmm I have a long neck - I wonder.....)
> >
> > I have no problemo with homeopaths relating and teaching their
> > experience, in fc at I love it, but my question is when does it go in
> > the rep and MM and when does it stay an anecdote?
> >
> >
> > (queue twilight zone music.........)
> >
> >
> > SK
> >
> > On 28 Nov 2004, at 09:19, David Little wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hello Everyone,
> >>
> >> Most old homeopaths do a bit of "essence prescribing" based on
> >> their experience. This is part of the artistic practice that develops
> >> as the materia medica become more alive over time. Kent once spoke
> >> about an artistic prescription where a patient was radically cured.
> >> When the homeopath was asked why he gave the remedy he said he
> >> couldn't really remember but the medicine somehow "resembled the
> >> patient". Sometimes, the essence of a prescription is hard to put into
> >> words yet experience still shows the way.
> >>
> >> Nevertheless, essences must be kept in balance with the essential
> >> nature of the totality of the symptoms by looking for concomitant and
> >> confirmatory symptoms. There are some who have taken the whole
> >> "essence thing" to extreme without knowing all that much about
> >> provings or the traditional materia medica. This of course, gives the
> >> entire subject and bad name. Some spin out essences from the doctrine
> >> of signatures in seconds in every more higher and higher images. Fancy
> >> visions and marvelous reasons for giving remedies seems so much more
> >> fun than learning all those redline symptoms and concomitants.
> >>
> >> Who wants to go to a seminar and hear about the characteristics of
> >> Nux Vomica? All the new remedies and new pictures sound so wonderful
> >> but many of the prescriptions seem to be a hit or miss affair (often a
> >> miss) with little in between. Nevertheless, all we ever hear about is
> >> the "hits" and never the "misses"! Some of the "essence work" seem to
> >> lacks the steady consistency of the good old fashioned traditional
> >> methods. They may not be fantastic or mysterious but most of the time
> >> the patient moves forward! Like everything there must be a balance
> >> between the liberal and conservative methods as well as a knowledge
> >> and intuition.
> >>
> >> Sincerely, David Little
> >>
>
>

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