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Old 4th October 2004, 05:05 PM
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Does anybody have any reliable info on the diagnostics of this disease?

Or does anybody have any experience with this. i'm thinking of fl-ac and calc-fl but I don't have enough to go on.

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Does anybody have any reliable info on the diagnostics of this disease?

Or does anybody have any experience with this. i'm thinking of fl-ac and calc-fl but I don't have enough to go on.
HEre is a link with a little info.
http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=1658

No experience with this, but I would think that the indicated similimum based on the acute or chronic symptom picture would help get rid of this toxicity and its symptoms.
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thnx, this is helpful cause now I have some fluoride names that cause this
fever.

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thnx, this is helpful cause now I have some fluoride names that cause this
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Hey thats right!!
From the link:
http://www.jivemagazine.com/column.php?pid=1658

"Workers at the DuPont manufacturing plant in West Virginia are forced to use respirators by OSHA when working with these substances. Research has also pointed out that smokers are even more susceptible to Teflon Flu, because microparticles, which land on their hands, wind up imbedded in the cigarettes. As a cigarette is smoked, fluorocarbons are then pyrolyzed (burned), and the toxic fumes are inhaled with the cigarette smoke. The most common known products of this pyrolysis include inorganic fluoride, hydrogen fluoride, carbonyl fluoride, and perfluoropropane and they are pretty toxic when inhaled, this according to a 1987 CDC study. DuPont scientists, in their own experiments, found that smoking a cigarette laced with a spec of Teflon about the size of the head of a pin was equivalent to breathing Teflon fumes at high concentrations for a full workday. This exceeds the exposure levels that caused polymer fume fever in DuPont’s other human studies. Those exposed in this manner suffered the worst symptoms."

So the Flour salt surely will be a contender among the indicated remedies!
In fact maybe you could think about the mental state these people develop - those that are sensitive to teflon. IT would be interesting if thre was any change toward the Flour characteristics. (Most notably Fluoric acid - which is indicative of the Fluor mental state).

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I heard Fran Vermeulen on this subject last year and according to him the fluor remedies are the most likely. But this should give a more excact indication of which fluor remedies. The constituional fluoricums will probably suffer the most but this is a pathogenic factor that will cause problems with everyone so should be treated like an epidemic.

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Ingestion of food from teflon pan do not effect, but fumes/smoke inhaled only effects. Is it right to prescribe same remedy/isopathy in both cases similarily as for ingested or taken as fumes/smoke or inhaled? Are particles of teflon or fluoride...are embedded in respratory system or gone/absorbed in blood?
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Individualized treatment (homeopathy, according to the individual symptom picture) is more effective than isopathy because it addresses *both* the toxicity *and* the preexisting weakness/vulnerability. Isopathy can *at best* treat only the single episode.

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Are particles of teflon or fluoride...are embedded in respratory system or gone to the blood?
I honestly don't know. But I'm guessing in the blood.

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Sure, sometimes the indicated remedy (that is, indicated according to the symptom picture) will be a potentized version of the substance itself. It's my understanding that this is a *minority* of cases, but in that case the prescription would be homeopathic as well as isopathic.

If these poisoning cases show a lot of fluoric symptoms, then it is indeed plausible that a fluoric remedy will cure. My point had to do with method of choosing the remedy (isopathy versus homeopathy), not which remedy to choose.

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>>> Is it right to prescribe same remedy/isopathy in both cases similarily as for ingested or taken as fumes/smoke or inhaled?


If you are prescribing isopathically, then there would be no basis for choosing a different remedy; if you are prescribing homeopathically, you would need to prescribe according to the symptom picture, not according to the presumed *reason* for the symptom picture -- I guess that's all I meant to say...

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If patients symptom picture matches with Acid Fluor or Calc. Fluor., then it is ok, But when ingested food from teflon pan do not effects, it means these materials goes to blood but do not effect. If fumes/smoke inhaled is differant from that substance ingested? Can you mention symptoms of patients with teflon fever, here?
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