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Old 8th October 2004, 09:05 PM
Wiet van Helmond
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I can't find any concrete symptoms or diagnostic system. All i can find is that it is hard to differntiate from influenza. And from Vermeulen I know it resembles fluor remedies.

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Human symptoms are 'flu like' with body aches. There is no single diagnostic other than detective work. Industrial exposure is relatively un-reported since (in the US) the governmental regulation of respirators used in contact zones is supposedly enforced. The plastics industry puts out a lot of information on just how safe this material is (ha ha).

I don't have access to my home library (currently doing hurricane cleanup with family), but do have one article handy. While it is basically about the pet bird deaths, it has an interesting list of household items that are suspect in this problem at the end - I will cut and paste a few paragraphs:

source: THE SILENT KILLER By Joanie Doss

Polytetraflouethylene is known by the brand name Teflon and most bird owners realize that using products that have this coating cannot safely be used around birds. However, there are many other brand names that are also polytetraflouethylene. Some of these are: Silverstone, Fluron, Supra, Excalibur, Greblon, Xylon, Duracote, Resistal, Autograph and T-Fal are just a few. These coatings are used primarily to keep things from sticking.

The San Antonio Zoo in Texas lost 21 birds in an outdoor aviary awhile back. Their death was caused when the birds gathered by lights that the zoo had installed so that the birds could warm themselves in an outdoor aviary. The bulbs had been coated with Polytetraflouethylene. Phillips standard red heating lamps have a coating of Teflon. The FDA now requires that bulbs be given a Teflon coating as a shatter shield when used around food.

PTFE was discovered in 1941. Basically this is a plastic. Teflon is the trademark for a tetrafluoroeghylene resin with a high resistance to heat and corrosive chemicals. It was originally used in wire insulation, cable spacers, gaskets and in other applications in the chemical industry. It then became popular as a non-stick coating for cook ware.

In 1951 the first case of human suffering from tetrafluoroethylene problems was reported. It produces flu like symptoms in humans. The tetrafluoroethylene lingers long after the product has been removed. It can remain in carpeting and draperies for some time.

When the report first circulated about Teflon causing bird deaths, it was thought that very high heat was needed to release the deadly fumes. Now there are reports that temperatures as low as 285 degrees can cause death to birds.

Teflon starts emitting fumes from the start of heating. It does not have to be a high temperature or for an extended length of time to cause death to your bird. Small birds breathing these fumes for only a few seconds took as long as 24 hours to die.

Many people think that Teflon is only dangerous if the pan burns. This danger lurks in other products besides cookware. These do not have to operate at a high temperature to cause damage to your birds. I have listed some products that use polytetraflouethylene. Not all of these use this coating nor are these the only places that it is used. Carefully read all products that you buy before you use them around your bird. If in doubt, call up the manufacturer and asked what he has used in the product.

Some Products That Use Polytetraflouethylene
Heat lamps
Portable heaters
Sole plates on irons
Ironing board covers
Burners on stove tops
Drip pans for burners
Broiler pans
Griddles
Many cooking utensils
Woks
Waffle makers
Electric skillets
Deep fryers, crock pots,
Hot air popcorn poppers
Coffee makers
Bread makers
Non-stick rolling pins
Lollipop molds
Corkscrews
Never-Stick-Stainless Steel
Stockpots
Roasters
Non-stick gingerbread molds
Pizza pans
Tortilla presses
1995 Joanie Doss.

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Old 8th October 2004, 10:35 PM
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A remedy which suits the case on basis of symptom similarity *is* homeopathic to the case, regardless of whether it's same substance or different. If homeopathic remedy/simillimum can't be found or isn't working, then isopathic remedy is a reasonable thing to try. But if one is treating the *case* homeopathically, there will likely be more to do after the isopathic interlude! Homeopathy is a different thing from isopathy, tho of course not totally unrelated.

Cheers,
Shannon

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Originally Posted by Wiet van Helmond
I can't find any concrete symptoms or diagnostic system. All i can find is that it is hard to differntiate from influenza. And from Vermeulen I know it resembles fluor remedies
Are you looking with reference to a specific patient, or exploring the general issue?


Shannon


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