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I wasn't refering to PC1.
Yes, It needs to answer a lot of questions overall - homeopathic and others, but it has the potential of healing people with AIDS which is more important at present. So I've looked at it from that perspective - and hope the answers come as soon as they possibly can. It already seems to have had some interesting developments, from the latest information available.
Leela

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Dear David, here is the web address for the Immune Development Trust - now called The Complementary Health Organisation.

http://www.comphealth.org.uk/index.htm

I have no knowledge about this group but they are apparently treating people with HIV and AIDS - you might want to contact them personally to discuss case histories in private.

Best wishes, Joy

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David,

I entirely agree with you but tempered my comments to the sensibilities of the list. I recommend readers take your comments on board.

I am in the process of organising all my homeopathic stuff, in tandem hopefully with the website there is so much of it scattered throughout so many books and files!

Certainly when I come across it I will gladly share!

regards

Simon King LCPH MARH
http://WWW.HOMEOPATHY-HELP.NET

I was not trying to put down Homeopathy. I think individual Homeopathy is magnificent, profound, the deepest sort of therapy and fantastic when it is achieved.
I used 'fog' because I observed, amongst a group of homeopaths in a Chronic Fatigue Syndrome trial we did together, say almost to a woman/man, that after my CFS remedy they could now see the individual remedy needed, after years of trying and not succeeding. Fog seemed to me the situation.

I dont declare the full process for this reason. If I do I must make it full and complete and accurate and exact etc. Otherwise others could further investigate it and patent the bits I get wrong, therby limiting all use. A GM patentee wanted to to offer Bangadesh a vitamin A enriched rice, apparently they are short on Vit A. He had the main patent. He wanted to give it for free. But there were 70 other surrounding patents which inhibited him from this act.

To declare the process fully requires the same skills as filing a full patent, and for that it requires a lot more research by me than I have the time and money for, as well as some very skilled patent lawyer input, something costing a lot of money. Currently for 3 years I have existed on donations. They dont cover research or lawyers. I dont see this changing. PC1 is however, the very best treatment for AIDS and could still be instrumental in stopping the dying in Africa. My CFS remedy appears to out perform any treatment of any kind by a very big margin. Patients dont ask or get very concerned.

There is a little aside here. You ask what is it? But what is say Aurum? Gold. But what is gold really? At some point you dont know. This applies to everything. We like things in boxes we think we understand, but do we really know what anything really is?

my web sitewww.peterchappell.net is my web site as well as aids-heal.com
I hold to my views on potency. It is primative the way its used. I know thats not polite, but its accuarate.

With respect and in friendship

Peter

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Originally Posted by Peter Chappell Quote: Originally Posted by David Little As I understand it Peter Chappell claims his remedy is a "new technology" or designer remedy. My reservation is the apparent lack of full discloser about the nature of the remedy. This is not in line with medical norms and consumer acts. Full disclosure the manufacturing and contains is standard practice. I find it ethically very hard to suggest something when it is not clear what it really is and how it is made? It is a trade secret. My question is why all the secrecy??? I was not trying to put down Homeopathy. I think individual Homeopathyis magnificent, profound, the deepest sort of therapy and fantastic when it is achieved. I used 'fog' because I observed, amongst a group of homeopaths in a Chronic Fatigue Syndrome trial we did together, say almost to a woman/man, that after my CFS remedy they could now see the individual remedy needed, after years of trying and not succeeding. Fog seemed to me the situation.

Dear Peter,

Thanks for you clarifications. Using generalizations about homeopathy based on something you observed in one group of homeopaths over a single disease state cannot be considered universal. When it comes to collective diseases the group anamnesis made up of several suffers often make the major remedies very clear. Treating miasmatic diseases only by the individual method does not suit their nature. Collective diseases need collective studies and collective remedies. Individual diseases with unique aerological constellations and individual symptoms need individual remedies. One does not replace the other all that easily because of the difference in the nature of the disease state. Of course, these two approaches can be complementary.

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Originally Posted by Peter I dont declare the full process for this reason. If I do I must make it full and complete and accurate and exact etc. Otherwise others could further investigate it and patent the bits I get wrong, therby limiting all use. A GM patentee wanted to to offer Bangadesh a vitamin A enriched rice, apparently they are short on Vit A. He had the main patent. He wanted to give it for free. But there were 70 other surrounding patents which inhibited him from this act.

Of course, your explanation should be exactly how it is made. That is your responsibility. As to the patent issues - if you correctly describe and patent your version of PC whatever, it is safe for you in that form. The old homeopaths did not patent medicines or copyright the proving materials. They were open for all to use in order to advance our science. They wanted to keep all the relevant information in the public domain for the greater good. This is a great way to protect information because only a personal secret can be suppressed whereas things in the public domain are preserved by the many.

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Originally Posted by Peter To declare the process fully requires the same skills as filing a full patent, and for that it requires a lot more research by me than I have the time and money for, as well as some very skilled patent lawyer input, something costing a lot of money. Currently for 3 years I have existed on donations. They dont cover research or lawyers. I dont see this changing. PC1 is however, the very best treatment for AIDS and could still be instrumental in stopping the dying in Africa. My CFS remedy appears to out perform any treatment of any kind by a very big margin. Patients dont ask or get very concerned.

Until some well done clinical studies are published this is all still anecdotal information. I am not, however, being skeptical about your statements. Nevertheless, such claims are best backed up with facts. It is possible to do some limited but precise documentation with laboratory test for a smaller amount of money. In India you can get HIV/AIDS test for 150 rupees (around $1.50) CD4+ test done for 700 rupees (around $14). These amount do not pose an obstacles someone who wishes to test a small group and make public the findings. Years are passing.

The report Didi gave from Africa spoke of 60% being asymptomatic and the other 40% not return which usually means they did not come back because it did not help. They are also using other herbal remedies at the same time which confuses the matter. The follows up I saw were for only 24 weeks which is far to soon to claim complete success in such a disease. As of yet I have not see any controlled studies or laboratory results. Homeopaths, on the other hand, are doing serious double blind studies, laboratory tests, and clinical studies running over years. There are well documented studies of homoeopathy keeping up to 90% percent asymptomic. So your remedy is not the only method showing promise.

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Originally Posted by Peter There is a little aside here. You ask what is it? But what is say Aurum? Gold. But what is gold really? At some point you dont know. This applies to everything. We like things in boxes we think we understand, but do we really know what anything really is?

This does not satisfy the norms of medical practice. The above is far too personally subject, highly theoretic, overly philosophical, and a bit too "new age" for the medicinal sciences.

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Originally Posted by Peter my web sitewww.peterchappell.net is my web site as well as aids-heal.com I hold to my views on potency. It is primative the way its used. I know thats not polite, but its accuarate.

This is only your personal opinion (not a divinely declared truth). Some of what you say may be your own lack of understanding. The way many of us are using potency is not primitive by any definition of the word. Your criticisms were quite inaccurate in places and very stereotypical. Hahnemann's advanced method uses methods of adjusting the size of the dose and using potency that are truly revolutionary and are part of the medicine of the future. It will take modern science many more decades to understand the potency phenomena so it can hardly be called "primitive." New experiments are advancing our science today. I am not going to waste time arguing with you over your personal *opinions* about potency, etc.

Sincerely, David

doctorleela,

Your above views are more practical. Something can/should be changed with the time as per the need of time. Under this consideration, should we not try to make some more prominent remedies as ' Disease based' instead of 'Individual Based'. Probably, it may also help-- similarily. Tissue remedies was the first step towards it, but not much appreciated. Time available with the homeopath may also make this concept more practical & ecnomical. It may also help to understand a remedy relating to any disease more easily under currently available studies, knowledges & understandings. Moreover, a disease can just be a group of symptoms & we can so consolidate these symptoms as one disease. Provings are also to be re-arranged accordingly. By understanding tissue remedies, I think all or most diseases can be constitutionally classified--a concept which may be lacking in modern system. Is it not practical/logical in consideration of your above quoted views. :)

Best wishes.

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After reading this discussion, I refered an AIDS patient to peter chappel site which was selling PC1 product under the name "homeopathy". Last night, I received info from a doctor during chat that Peter has closed down its selling product PC!. He said, those who have purchased other than from me (peter) is expired. May I stop that AIDS patient not to use them. Please guide me. This is life matter of a person.

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Hello Imran,
I advise that you continue using the remedy you have.

Also Peter said to order the PC1 in future only directly from him. He did not say it was "expired", he used the word "outdated", which probably means he has developed a newer version. The old version still works, as far as I know.
Dr. leela

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I am also in the field of homeopathy for long time; I am listening for the first time that a remedy is gone out of date? Very baffling statement ! L What do you mean by “out of date”? Which ingredient of medicine is gone out of date? I think in the past a member of this list said the remedy, which was prepared in Hahnemann’s time, is still working and few pharmacies (dolisos etc) are using the same material from the back potencies which was prepared 200 years ago. If it is so then how can a medicine be expired? If that medicine is codeed /energy medicine then there is no question of “out of date”. I think, the inventor is playing trick or it had nothing in the remedy in the past or after reading his latest statement, it looks me he done unfair (played game) with patients in the past.

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[QUOTE=doctorleela]Hello Imran,
I advise that you continue using the remedy you have.

Imran, Please dont use them till you get proper info from the inventor.

he used the word "outdated", which probably means he has developed a newer version.

Are you the distributor of Peter's remedy or You have been appointed as spokesman by him.

The old version still works, as far as I know.

I think, we should not mislead patients when an inventor is saying that is out - of -date medicine.

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M.A (Pol Sci), M.A (Islamiat), M.A (History), DHMS (4 years)
Registered Homeopath in NCH, Pakistan
Member of P.H.S, PHDA, HPCA & PHMA.