From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg. MD. PhD.
Subject: Rubric/remedy question
Would anybody have an idea about a rubric or a remedy covering the symptom
"coughing when the bladder is full"?
Sometimes this patient has bouts of coughs and then realises it is because
the bladder is full........SRP definitely but I spent a long time in Mac Rep
and RefWorks trying to find something remotely close, nothing..........

Of course plenty of other stuff, but this is REALLY peculiar.

Help please.......

Thanks.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.

From: Chris Newenham
Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question



From Murphy - bladder urging while coughing - Ip.

Cheers
Chris

From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg. MD. PhD.
Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question


Not exactly.

If I understand that rubric well, the patient coughs then while coughing,
needs to urinate.

Here in this patient it is different. Feels the bladder is full which causes
him to cough; sometimes starts to cough for no apparent reason, realises the
bladder is full, was not conscious of it.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.

From: David Hartley
Subject: RE: Rubric/remedy question


Hi Joe,

Found quickly with EH, and at least remotely close:

T.F. Allen, Encyc.
Phos
(while sitting) urging to urinate; dry cough; pressure in pit of stomach


Dewey, Practical Hom. Therap.
Apis
reflex cough and urging to urinate

R.L. Gupta, Directory of Disease & Cures
Coccus Cacti
Cough with sysuria, or frequent urging to urinate

KulKarni, Gyn & Ob
Kreos
Sudden and uncomfortable urge to urinate. Cough with free expectoration

Schroyens, Synthesis
Ipec
BLADDER, RETENTION of urine- sensation of retention- coughing; with
urging on
bladder, urging to urinate, coughing, while

Phatak
Rumex
Sudden urging involuntary with cough.

David Hartley

From: Dr. J. Rozencwajg. MD. PhD.
Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question


I found those too, but as you said they are remotely close.

It is the sensation of full bladder or the fullness without even conscious
sensation that precipitates the coughing (among other things....).

It is that direct, one way relation that I cannot find.

Dr. J. Rozencwajg, MD, PhD.

Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question
From: andyh



Greetings Dr. J,

General comment:
That a water element constriction (KID/BL) may be congesting the throat is a possibility.

Ideas although indirect :
BLADDER; FULLNESS; urinate, without desire to (18) : Ars., calad., Caust., coc-c., corn., fl-ac., gnaph., gymn., hell., lac-d., op., pall., phos., plb., stann., stram., trif-p., verat.

BLADDER; INSENSIBILITY (4) : ham., mag-m., plb., stann.

COUGH; PAROXYSMAL (174) : acon., adam., aeth., agar., ail., all-c., all-s., alum., alum-p., alum-sil., alumn., ambr., anac., anan., ang., ant-c., ant-t., anth., apis, aral., arg., arg-n., arn., ars., arum-t., asaf., astra-e., atro., aur., aur-m., aur-s., bac., bad., bamb-a., bar-c., Bell., brom., bry., cact., calad., calc., calc-f., calc-hp., calc-s., calc-sil., cand-a., cann-s., caps., Carb-v., carbn-h., carbn-s., caust., cham., chel., chin., chlor., choc., cimx., Cina, cinnb., Coc-c., coca, cocc., coff., con., cor-r., croc., crot-c., Cupr., cycl., dig., Dros., elaps, euphr., ferr., ferr-m., ferr-p., foll., germ., gins., graph., grat., guare., Hep., hydr-ac., Hyos., ign., indg., iod., Ip., irid., jatr., kali-bi., kali-br., kali-c., kali-chl., kali-n., kali-p., kali-s., kali-sil., kreos., lac-ac., lach., lact., lap-c-b., laur., led., lith-c., lob., lyc., m-aust., mag-c., mag-m., mag-p., mang., Meph., merc., merc-c., merc-i-r., merc-s., mez., morph., mosch., mur-ac., naja, napht., nat-ar., nat-m., nat-p., nat-s., nicc., nit-ac., Nux-v., ol-an., ol-j., op., ozone, parth., ph-ac., phel., phos., phyt., plb., psor., Puls., rhus-t., Rumx., sabad., sang., sarr., seneg., Sep., sil., spong., squil., Stann., staph., still., stram., sul-ac., sul-i., sulph., tama., Tarent., thea., thuj., trif-p., vanad., Verat., verat-v., vinc., x-ray, zinc., zinc-p.

Elimination: Ars., calad., Caust., Coc-c., mag-m., op., phos., plb., Stann., stram., trif-p., Verat.
(last rubric the only eliminator)

Maybe the above list will help in context of the rest of the case.

Random pick:
Coc-c a paroxysmal cough rx with "Tension and fullness without leading to micturition, the tension remaining after micturition. "
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All the best to you,
Andy

Another Random thought:

Lyc
is agg by retention of urine
"--pain in the renal region was aggravated by retention of urine and relieved by passing it." (Hom recorder'04)
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From: Chris Newenham
Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question


Are you saying he only coughs when his bladder is full? What do you mean (among other things...)? If he coughs other times i.e. it is not only when the bladder is full, then it would surely not be so important to reportorise it? How can a full bladder 'without even conscious sensation' precipitate the cough? Just trying to understand.
Cheers
Chris

Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question
From: Bob&Shannon



I *think* there is some rubric, which I'm blanking out on, re cough as a
nervous (i.e. nerve-related) reflex, something like that?

Shannon

From: Martin Tinnermann
Subject: Re: Rubric/remedy question



Hi,

when did this sensation appear for the first time? I think it is
important to find out the reason (causae) which state of health exist
before this sensation appeare.

The difference of discribtion between this two periods of life and
different living conditions may help to find the right remedy?

Martin Tinnermann

Yes, it may have some value, but I struggle to understand how he knows
he has a cough when his bladder is full with no conscious sensation.
Don't we only know our bladder is full because we get a sensation? If
the other information you have re the cough is clear enough to prescribe
on, perhaps that is all the information you need.

Cheers
Chris