Last week's 60 Minutes CBS news show had segment on H1N1.* Seems this virus is a relative of 1918 flu and that is why mostly young people are becoming sick and dying.* Anyone born before 1950 has some possible H1N1 immunity due to*similar*viruses which were still around in the*30's and*40's.* Watch the video and see this 15 year old in intensive care on a ventilator literally overnight after playing in a football game tested H1N1 positive.* This virus infected his lungs allowing bacterial infection.*
*
Just now CNN Wolf Blitzer asked "expert" if 60 Minutes was*accurate as respect to saying H1N1 ability to infect from 10 feet away.* No definitive answer.
*
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...n&tag=nl.e882*
*
*
Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent (declined USA Surgeon General job) had H1N1 in Afghanistan* "The Sickest I Have Ever Been".**Supposedly he was told to stop talking about how sick he was on the air plus he has a new book out on Cheating Death.
*
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0...n_296094..html
*
*
Obama: Swine Flu A National Emergency

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_332617.html
*
Susan

And yet it's apparently still the case that *most* cases of this H1N1
flu are mild--generally milder than a "regular seasonal flu." Or has
that changed? The *number* of cases seems to be rising fast in some
areas, tho.
Shannon


On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:54 PM, <healthyinfo6 (AT) aol (DOT) com> wrote:

>
>
> Last week's 60 Minutes CBS news show had segment on H1N1. Seems
> this virus is a relative of 1918 flu and that is why mostly young
> people are becoming sick and dying. Anyone born before 1950 has
> some possible H1N1 immunity due to similar viruses which were still
> around in the 30's and 40's. Watch the video and see this 15 year
> old in intensive care on a ventilator literally overnight after
> playing in a football game tested H1N1 positive. This virus
> infected his lungs allowing bacterial infection.
>
> Just now CNN Wolf Blitzer asked "expert" if 60 Minutes was accurate
> as respect to saying H1N1 ability to infect from 10 feet away. No
> definitive answer.
>
> http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?...3n&tag=nl.e882
>
>
> Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN Chief Medical Correspondent (declined USA
> Surgeon General job) had H1N1 in Afghanistan "The Sickest I Have
> Ever Been". Supposedly he was told to stop talking about how sick
> he was on the air plus he has a new book out on Cheating Death.
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_296094.html
>
>
> Obama: Swine Flu A National Emergency
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/1..._n_332617.html
>
> Susan
>

On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:

> And yet it's apparently still the case that *most* cases of this H1N1
> flu are mild--generally milder than a "regular seasonal flu."

Much milder - a fraction of the serious cases and deaths.
The ODD part is it affects veery young kids and pregnant women most.

It's very rife here in Spokane where several thousand students have
it and it is also getting widespread in the general population and
some schools.
Students are still going to classes, people are still going to work -
it is rare to have a case with complications unless they took aspirin/
tylenol etc - which is NOT being recommended here.. A new rule is to
wear a mask if requested to do so in a public place if you have the
h1n1.
Today I heard of three cases who are sicker than most and who were
vaccinated for this flu a few weeks ago.
Aconitum is still holding as prophylaxis for some students living
among infected ones in dorms, or working together in labs, via a
friend of mine (who is also using Aco.) Her lab group is very ill
with the vaccine reactions, not flu - only 2 had the H1N1 - okay now
after Ip. One other case okay on Ip, - two others are planning to try
Ip, small children of a knitting friend who says allopathics
(tamiflu) not helping them though it helped the 2 adults in the
family who got it and brought it home. They felt better in a day or
two on tamiflu she says
It looks like small kids are definitely higher risk with this
and affected worse, not just more susceptible to getting it.
I started taking Aco myself tonight after being with an "infected
family" for 3 hrs this afternoon at knitting group.


> Or has
> that changed? The *number* of cases seems to be rising fast in some
> areas, tho.

It is. On campus here it was 2000 one week and 2600 the next - dunno
the current number, that was a while back, but it is reported "a lot
worse" than then when it was 2600. So it definitely spreads fast. At
the place where I eat daily, I have dished out Aco and Ip. (for their
safety and mine!
:-)

It is easy to tell the bad flu (seasonal) from the H1N1 here. The
difficult breathing with cough and burning throat is very specific
with the H1N1 (and people either have nasty nausea or no nausea -
though they describe a discomfort that is not nausea exactly but they
say that is the closest word for it), and the body aches of muscles
are more severe with seasonal flu.

There is some vaccine available but it is limited and one has to
qualify to get it;. Same knitting friend has a daughter who is a
pediatric nurse and wants it to protect the infants. She seems
healthy but as her family has had it she is worried, does not feel
ethically okay to use homeopathy alone.

Someone said H1N1 is a 1918 relative? I did not hear that. Based on
genetics or is it speculation ???
1918 caused bleeding in the lungs, VERy nasty - the H1N1 does not do
that nor is it anywhere near as severe an illness.

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Re it being a relative of the 1918 one, I *assume* that was said on
basis of its genetics--but suddenly realize I didn't hear that
actually *said*. I've read speculation that the severe hemorrhaging
of the 1918 flu might have been not from the flu, but from aspirin--
not just aspirin *use*, we we've read referred to as "the kiss of
death" in that flu, but from gross overdosing, as they didn't have as
much experience to know how much was "safe"? (I wonder whether this
was speculation, or whether someone read documentation that the
prescribed amounts had been that excessive?)

Irene, do you know of any article, preferably online, that talks about
the approach being taken in your area, and the reasoning behind not
emphasizing vaccines and drugs? I don't know if I can actually get it
to anyone that matters in our school district, but might like to try!
(Last week they sent home permission forms for the kids to "get their
shots" at school. I'm glad my son is old enough to "squawk" if anyone
"forgot" that his wasn't turned in!)

Shannon


On Oct 25, 2009, at 2:51 AM, Irene de Villiers wrote:

>
> On Oct 24, 2009, at 5:00 PM, Shannon & Bob Nelson wrote:
>
>> And yet it's apparently still the case that *most* cases of this H1N1
>> flu are mild--generally milder than a "regular seasonal flu."
>
> Much milder - a fraction of the serious cases and deaths.
> The ODD part is it affects veery young kids and pregnant women most.
>
> It's very rife here in Spokane where several thousand students have
> it and it is also getting widespread in the general population and
> some schools.
> Students are still going to classes, people are still going to work -
> it is rare to have a case with complications unless they took aspirin/
> tylenol etc - which is NOT being recommended here.. A new rule is to
> wear a mask if requested to do so in a public place if you have the
> h1n1.
> Today I heard of three cases who are sicker than most and who were
> vaccinated for this flu a few weeks ago.
> Aconitum is still holding as prophylaxis for some students living
> among infected ones in dorms, or working together in labs, via a
> friend of mine (who is also using Aco.) Her lab group is very ill
> with the vaccine reactions, not flu - only 2 had the H1N1 - okay now
> after Ip. One other case okay on Ip, - two others are planning to try
> Ip, small children of a knitting friend who says allopathics
> (tamiflu) not helping them though it helped the 2 adults in the
> family who got it and brought it home. They felt better in a day or
> two on tamiflu she says
> It looks like small kids are definitely higher risk with this
> and affected worse, not just more susceptible to getting it.
> I started taking Aco myself tonight after being with an "infected
> family" for 3 hrs this afternoon at knitting group.
>
>
>> Or has
>> that changed? The *number* of cases seems to be rising fast in some
>> areas, tho.
>
> It is. On campus here it was 2000 one week and 2600 the next - dunno
> the current number, that was a while back, but it is reported "a lot
> worse" than then when it was 2600. So it definitely spreads fast. At
> the place where I eat daily, I have dished out Aco and Ip. (for their
> safety and mine!
> :-)
>
> It is easy to tell the bad flu (seasonal) from the H1N1 here. The
> difficult breathing with cough and burning throat is very specific
> with the H1N1 (and people either have nasty nausea or no nausea -
> though they describe a discomfort that is not nausea exactly but they
> say that is the closest word for it), and the body aches of muscles
> are more severe with seasonal flu.
>
> There is some vaccine available but it is limited and one has to
> qualify to get it;. Same knitting friend has a daughter who is a
> pediatric nurse and wants it to protect the infants. She seems
> healthy but as her family has had it she is worried, does not feel
> ethically okay to use homeopathy alone.
>
> Someone said H1N1 is a 1918 relative? I did not hear that. Based on
> genetics or is it speculation ???
> 1918 caused bleeding in the lungs, VERy nasty - the H1N1 does not do
> that nor is it anywhere near as severe an illness.
>
> Namaste,
> Irene
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re H1N1 genetics:

Here's a scientific article summary (extract) which explains the
perspective of scientists:

************************************************** **********************
************************************************** **********
Virus Genes. 2009 Oct 7.
An update on swine-origin influenza virus A/H1N1: a review.

Schnitzler SU, Schnitzler P.
Department of Virology, Hygiene Institute, University of Heidelberg,
Im Neuenheimer Feld 324, 69120, Heidelberg, Germany.

Influenza viruses cause annual epidemics and occasional pandemics
that have claimed the lives of millions. The emergence of new strains
will continue to pose challenges to public health and the scientific
communities. The recent flu pandemic caused by a swine-origin
influenza virus A/H1N1 (S-OIV) presents an opportunity to examine
virulence factors, the spread of the infection and to prepare for
major influenza outbreaks in the future. The virus contains a novel
constellation of gene segments, the nearest known precursors being
viruses found in swine and it probably arose through reassortment of
two viruses of swine origin. Specific markers for virulence can be
evaluated in the viral genome, PB1-F2 is a molecular marker of
pathogenicity but is not present in the new S-OIV. While attention
was focused on a threat of an avian influenza H5N1 pandemic emerging
from Asia, a novel influenza virus of swine origin emerged in North
America, and is now spreading worldwide. However, S-OIV demonstrates
that even serotypes already encountered in past human pandemics may
constitute new pandemic threats. There are concerns that this virus
may mutate or reassort with existing influenza viruses giving rise to
more transmissible or more pathogenic viruses. The 1918 Spanish flu
pandemic virus was relatively mild in its first wave and acquired
more virulence when it returned in the winter. Thus preparedness on a
global scale against a potential more virulent strain is highly
recommended. Most isolates of the new S-OIVs are susceptible to
neuraminidase inhibitors, and currently a vaccine against the
pandemic strain is being manufactured and will be available this
fall. This review summarizes the current information on the new
pandemic swine-origin influenza virus A/H1N1.
************************************************** **********************
************************************************** *****************

SO it is a theory that the virus may mutate to a worse form as in 1918.

BUT - there is a factor missing in that summary IMO.
In 1918 the mutation occurred due to the very high stresses that were
present in a specific area where the mutant was documented to have
originated.

It's relevant because mutations do not just happen because of high
numbers of virus as is being implied, that makes a very slight
difference - but they DO they happen due to major and multiple
crowded HIGH STRESS in one place (and loads of cortisol stress
hormone is then involved - as was the case in 19018 - and cortisol IS
mutagenic).

The illness I work with in cats for example involves a virus that
mutates into a pathogenic form when the cat is UNDER SEVERE STRESS -
such a vaccines plus antibiotics plus early weaning plus early
surgery plus toxins in food. (as in any shelter cat).
In fact the only way the cat can get this deadly disease is by
mutating it within itself, when under such severe stress. It is not
even contagious to other cats.

Now maybe there will be somewhere in the world where such severe
stress affects a large number of individuals in one place - as
happened in 1918 - and then I can see a mutation to a worse form if
that population gets the mild current form.
With modern communications we will hear about it soon - as we did
when H1N1 left Mexico as its point of origin.

We THEN need to act fast to figure a good remedy to use.
IMO :-)

Namaste,
Irene
--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."