I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone have
cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
irritability?
I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.

Thanks!
Shannon

On Jul 30, 2009, at 12:52 PM, shannonnelson tds.net wrote:

> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does
> anyone have
> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not
> also show
> irritability?
> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.

Dear Shannon,

Not sure if this is helpful - but cat cases can be rather like child
ones in a way.

I did have a cat case where Nux was the needed remedy (though not her
ICT which was Ars).
The key factor that led me to Nux in her case was competitveness. So
if there was any irritability it expressed as competitive behavior
instead. I do nearly always see that competitIve aspect in a NUX case.

In this case she had a nasty diarrhea from something or other (I
suspected the food I always used then, had something wrong with it)
and her ICT of Ars did nothing for her - and it was also obvious she
was not behaving like Ars (hypochondriac approach of Ars when feeling
unwell, was missing etc.) So it was unusual for her to be competing
for toys, places to be watching the birds, for being first at the
foodbowl etc, especially as all that took energy which one would
expect her to be losing due to the diarrhea. (She lost a lot of weight).
She still had her Ars personality showing through here and there
- for example she still stood on the room divider in mid-house
position to clout my head for fun (with claws out) as I went by, and
alternated that with standing on two legs and waving at me sweetly in
the air to get me to stroke her.
..... But her illness remedy needed then was Nux, which stopped her
uncharacteristic behavior and slowed the diarrhea and weight loss.

Dunno if that helps at all.

I have to say (maybe for the many-eth time)..... :-) :-)
,,,, that I would never worry about a "missing characteristic" in a
case (such as irritability).
I do not study remedies to find a remedy - I only study the case, to
find a remedy.

Study of a remedy is to me like study of a jigsaw puzzle's pieces.
There may well be 10,000 pieces to it (rubrics).
A case never has 10,000 pieces to it. A case is just a random
selection of a *few* pieces (ANY FEW) from the 10,000. Truly random,
as NO piece is more relevant than any other piece, and I think that
is the point that gets missed.

There is NOT any required piece that has to be there every time. A
"key" symptom just means it happens to have cropped up in a lot of
cases before. So what? It does not have to crop up in the next case,
or the one after.
All pieces are equal, homeopathy's rubrics are part of a
democratic system:-)

So as I see it, it is all very well to study the individual pieces of
Nux or Ars or whatever, but a specific case will only need to fit
WITHIN that 10,000 or so set somehow (not necessarily using any so-
called key symptom at all) - and if the case fits into the remedy
jigsaw with matching pieces somehow - the remedy will work, there is
no special backwards rubric needed from any remedy to confirm a match
with case.

IF you happen to see a rubric in the client that is a "key" of some
remedy, well and good, but if not, also well and good. So long as
what you DO see in the case, does fit into the jigsaw puzzle of "Nux"
or whatever, and does not fit better into some other remedy's jigsaw.

I'm convinced that is how it works and it is so easy to go astray if
you start looking for remedy features in a case instead of only
looking at case features in a remedy.

Maybe all this was redundant here, your question was innocent enough
on whether cases exist with a "key" item missing - but it triggered
my forwards versus backwards "thing" I have about remedies and cases:-)

Some of my trickiest cases came right specifically because I ignored
the "missing" key features of a remedy and used only the case-fits-
within-a-remedy approach.

Namaste,
Irene

PS I do not like this forum due to the seriously inconvenient setup
with reply to sender.
It's supposed to be a list, it should have replies to list:-)
--
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P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks Donna, I'm relieved to hear it! :-)
When I can access old notes I'll look to see what all I missed about
it...
My curiosity (by which I mean, my realization that I'm missing
something) was aroused some time back, seeing it in rubrics such as
Benevolence; Affectionate; anxiety of conscience--lots that seem
opposed to what seems to be the best known image, e.g. Blackwood,
"This remedy is indicated in the thin, irritable, dark haired,
bilious, quarrelsome, malicious individual who is disposed to anger,
spite and deception; those who are suffering from the bad effects of
coffee..."

Would it be reasonable to guess that the main pathology is simply over-
sensitivity to numerous things (and *which* things will be part of the
differentiation), and/or weakness in general...

Can you say a bit about just what features make you think of nux-v --
other, of course, than the "mathematics" of repertorizing, or over-
drugging or over-work or over-partying--the standard indicators, that
I'm looking to go beyond? I guess I'm particularly interested in its
indications as a long-term chronic remedy, more so than acute or
"situational."

Sorry this isn't a more elegantly crafted response :-) --it's been a
long day... But I'm grateful for the input!

Thanks,
Shannon


On Jul 30, 2009, at 3:25 PM, d rona wrote:

> Hi Shannon - I have MANY cases of Nux vomica being the perfect
> remedy for
> the individual - where there was absolutely NO irritability. Guess
> I never
> used that as a criteria of total elimination of the remedy for
> consideration. In very young children I have only used it as an
> acute -
> where it was very effective - but again - irritability was not
> deciding
> factor.
>
> Donna
>
> D C Rona, PhD, ND, DHM
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> [mailto:homeopathy-bounces (AT) homeolist (DOT) com] On Behalf Of shannonnelson
> tds.net
> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 3:53 PM
> To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does
> anyone have
> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also
> show
> irritability?
> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>
> Thanks!
> Shannon
>

Hi Shannon,



Nux was really useful for one of my daughters when she was about 9. My request of the homoeopath at that time was that I wanted to be able to paint my loungeroom without my daughter needing to go to bed for a week, fevers, catarrh, throat, gland stuff. She was incredibly oversensitive to all sorts of chemicals etc, even the expensive natural paints that were supposed to be safe to use around chemically sensitive people. I think the key personality pointer was that when she was sick or in any sort of pain or discomfort she was incredibly self-absorbed - we could all be needing to shower when we got back from the beach, but she would make it very clear that her need was the absolute top priority and we would all serve her, and if she ran the hot water out then that was our problem, not hers - so I would have to say there was a fair bit of irritability/reactivity/oversensitivity/potential to rule the world by dictatorship happening there, so sorry if it doesn't fit your criteria too well.



She took a 30c daily for maybe 10 days and I stopped it because she was becoming generally irritable rather than 'extreme' situation reactive irritable. Managed to paint without the retiring to her bed happening, and her general chemical oversensitivity improved out of sight (and she lost that dictatorship tendency too, well....the extreme version of it......)



Gail







> Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:52:31 -0500
> From: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net
> To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone have
> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
> irritability?
> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>
> Thanks!
> Shannon
>

Hi

This had happened when we were about to leave after dinner at my in-laws' house.
One of my wife's cousin (18 yo) suddenly said she was feeling cold and retired. When we saw her a few minutes later she had taken a warm blanket cover and was still complaining of cold. Those were not cool days. Her forehead had started feeling warm and we suspected a fever impending. I gave her Nux-v 30 and we left.

On inquiring the next day, my mother-in-law said that she had a sweat around midnight and slept well after and was feeling well now.

Malaria or viral fever (flu) was what we had suspected as it was rampant in those days.
Nobody took much notice thereafter.

I still marvel at it, though.

Regards

Ram


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Doesn't fit my criteria? :-) I'm just exploring! Actually, tho, her
picture seems to fit with the well-known irritable side (tho different
emphasis, which I find useful); for instance I see it in (pulling pencil
from behind her ear, ticking off boxes) Dictatorial, Egotism,
Selfishness--tho in fairness, when someone's in *so* oversensitive a
physical condition, I'm happy to cut them slack for being demanding. (Maybe
that's why my kids have always played me so successfully! :-p )

Anyway, thanks much for this picture! It does seem to emphasize, again, the
oversensitivity part (and that above the irritable part), which is useful in
helping me to expand my understanding beyond where I feel I would *need* to
see irritability--or egotism, dictatorial, etc.--in order to justify giving
nux.

No doubt there'll be more from me about it later! :-)
Shannon


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Gail Allen <gail_m_allen (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>wrote:

>
> Hi Shannon,
>
>
>
> Nux was really useful for one of my daughters when she was about 9. My
> request of the homoeopath at that time was that I wanted to be able to paint
> my loungeroom without my daughter needing to go to bed for a week, fevers,
> catarrh, throat, gland stuff. She was incredibly oversensitive to all sorts
> of chemicals etc, even the expensive natural paints that were supposed to be
> safe to use around chemically sensitive people. I think the key personality
> pointer was that when she was sick or in any sort of pain or discomfort she
> was incredibly self-absorbed - we could all be needing to shower when we got
> back from the beach, but she would make it very clear that her need was the
> absolute top priority and we would all serve her, and if she ran the hot
> water out then that was our problem, not hers - so I would have to say there
> was a fair bit of irritability/reactivity/oversensitivity/potential to rule
> the world by dictatorship happening there, so sorry if it doesn't fit your
> criteria too well.
>
>
>
> She took a 30c daily for maybe 10 days and I stopped it because she was
> becoming generally irritable rather than 'extreme' situation reactive
> irritable. Managed to paint without the retiring to her bed happening, and
> her general chemical oversensitivity improved out of sight (and she lost
> that dictatorship tendency too, well....the extreme version of it......)
>
>
>
> Gail
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:52:31 -0500
> > From: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net
> > To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> > Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
> >
> > I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone have
> > cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
> > irritability?
> > I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Shannon
> >

Ram, what a wonderful one! What led you to Nux-v, tho? (I suppose I'd have
given Aconite, which has often been useful for us, for "sudden onset" of an
acute; not always, tho.)
Shannon


On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:57 AM, <ram5 (AT) indiatimes (DOT) com> wrote:

> Hi
>
> This had happened when we were about to leave after dinner at my in-laws'
> house.
> One of my wife's cousin (18 yo) suddenly said she was feeling cold and
> retired. When we saw her a few minutes later she had taken a warm blanket
> cover and was still complaining of cold. Those were not cool days. Her
> forehead had started feeling warm and we suspected a fever impending. I gave
> her Nux-v 30 and we left.
>
> On inquiring the next day, my mother-in-law said that she had a sweat
> around midnight and slept well after and was feeling well now.
>
> Malaria or viral fever (flu) was what we had suspected as it was rampant in
> those days.
> Nobody took much notice thereafter.
>
> I still marvel at it, though.
>
> Regards
>
> Ram
>
>
> --
> Click for exclusive coverage on the New Bajaj Pulsar 220 the fastest Indian
> bike
>
> http://www.zigwheels.com/Features/Ba...r_20090623-1-1
>

Gail, I also wanted to ask--did your daughter's chemical sensitivity stay
gone permanently (so far, anyway)? Shannon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:25 AM, shannonnelson tds.net <
shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote:

> Doesn't fit my criteria? :-) I'm just exploring! Actually, tho, her
> picture seems to fit with the well-known irritable side (tho different
> emphasis, which I find useful); for instance I see it in (pulling pencil
> from behind her ear, ticking off boxes) Dictatorial, Egotism,
> Selfishness--tho in fairness, when someone's in *so* oversensitive a
> physical condition, I'm happy to cut them slack for being demanding. (Maybe
> that's why my kids have always played me so successfully! :-p )
>
> Anyway, thanks much for this picture! It does seem to emphasize, again,
> the oversensitivity part (and that above the irritable part), which is
> useful in helping me to expand my understanding beyond where I feel I would
> *need* to see irritability--or egotism, dictatorial, etc.--in order to
> justify giving nux.
>
> No doubt there'll be more from me about it later! :-)
> Shannon
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Gail Allen <gail_m_allen (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi Shannon,
>>
>>
>>
>> Nux was really useful for one of my daughters when she was about 9. My
>> request of the homoeopath at that time was that I wanted to be able to paint
>> my loungeroom without my daughter needing to go to bed for a week, fevers,
>> catarrh, throat, gland stuff. She was incredibly oversensitive to all sorts
>> of chemicals etc, even the expensive natural paints that were supposed to be
>> safe to use around chemically sensitive people. I think the key personality
>> pointer was that when she was sick or in any sort of pain or discomfort she
>> was incredibly self-absorbed - we could all be needing to shower when we got
>> back from the beach, but she would make it very clear that her need was the
>> absolute top priority and we would all serve her, and if she ran the hot
>> water out then that was our problem, not hers - so I would have to say there
>> was a fair bit of irritability/reactivity/oversensitivity/potential to rule
>> the world by dictatorship happening there, so sorry if it doesn't fit your
>> criteria too well.
>>
>>
>>
>> She took a 30c daily for maybe 10 days and I stopped it because she was
>> becoming generally irritable rather than 'extreme' situation reactive
>> irritable. Managed to paint without the retiring to her bed happening, and
>> her general chemical oversensitivity improved out of sight (and she lost
>> that dictatorship tendency too, well....the extreme version of it......)
>>
>>
>>
>> Gail
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:52:31 -0500
>> > From: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net
>> > To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
>> > Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>> >
>> > I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone
>> have
>> > cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also
>> show
>> > irritability?
>> > I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> > Shannon
>> >

My oldest son had the sudden onset of something at school when he was about
6 or 7. Horrible headache, couldn't bear light, vomiting whenever he tried
to sit up. He may also have been chilly, but I can't remember for sure at
this point. I don't remember any extraordinary irritability, though. He was
sent to the hospital, because it was all so extreme, but lab tests showed
nothing. He was going to be sent for a spinal tap the next morning if he
didn't improve.

I called our professional homeopath, and he said Belladonna, but that didn't
quite feel right to me. I did my own repping (late into the night), and came
up with Nux Vomica. Went back to hospital (husband had stayed the night with
him) about 6 a.m. He was still in very sorry shape. Gave him Nux V. 30C.
Within half an hour he was sitting up watching cartoons. When the doctor
made her morning rounds, she was baffled at his improvement (I *did* tell
her what I'd done!) and she sent him home, right as rain.


Cee

Yes it has.





> Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2009 06:39:15 -0500
> From: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net
> To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> Subject: Re: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
> Gail, I also wanted to ask--did your daughter's chemical sensitivity stay
> gone permanently (so far, anyway)? Shannon
>
> On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:25 AM, shannonnelson tds.net <
> shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net> wrote:
>
> > Doesn't fit my criteria? :-) I'm just exploring! Actually, tho, her
> > picture seems to fit with the well-known irritable side (tho different
> > emphasis, which I find useful); for instance I see it in (pulling pencil
> > from behind her ear, ticking off boxes) Dictatorial, Egotism,
> > Selfishness--tho in fairness, when someone's in *so* oversensitive a
> > physical condition, I'm happy to cut them slack for being demanding. (Maybe
> > that's why my kids have always played me so successfully! :-p )
> >
> > Anyway, thanks much for this picture! It does seem to emphasize, again,
> > the oversensitivity part (and that above the irritable part), which is
> > useful in helping me to expand my understanding beyond where I feel I would
> > *need* to see irritability--or egotism, dictatorial, etc.--in order to
> > justify giving nux.
> >
> > No doubt there'll be more from me about it later! :-)
> > Shannon
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 4:29 AM, Gail Allen <gail_m_allen (AT) hotmail (DOT) com>wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> Hi Shannon,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Nux was really useful for one of my daughters when she was about 9. My
> >> request of the homoeopath at that time was that I wanted to be able to paint
> >> my loungeroom without my daughter needing to go to bed for a week, fevers,
> >> catarrh, throat, gland stuff. She was incredibly oversensitive to all sorts
> >> of chemicals etc, even the expensive natural paints that were supposed to be
> >> safe to use around chemically sensitive people. I think the key personality
> >> pointer was that when she was sick or in any sort of pain or discomfort she
> >> was incredibly self-absorbed - we could all be needing to shower when we got
> >> back from the beach, but she would make it very clear that her need was the
> >> absolute top priority and we would all serve her, and if she ran the hot
> >> water out then that was our problem, not hers - so I would have to say there
> >> was a fair bit of irritability/reactivity/oversensitivity/potential to rule
> >> the world by dictatorship happening there, so sorry if it doesn't fit your
> >> criteria too well.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> She took a 30c daily for maybe 10 days and I stopped it because she was
> >> becoming generally irritable rather than 'extreme' situation reactive
> >> irritable. Managed to paint without the retiring to her bed happening, and
> >> her general chemical oversensitivity improved out of sight (and she lost
> >> that dictatorship tendency too, well....the extreme version of it......)
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Gail
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> > Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2009 14:52:31 -0500
> >> > From: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net
> >> > To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> >> > Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
> >> >
> >> > I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone
> >> have
> >> > cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also
> >> show
> >> > irritability?
> >> > I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
> >> >
> >> > Thanks!
> >> > Shannon
> >> >