I answered Shannon privately since a case I shared is not for public
consumption. Here I would like to thank her for posting a question that
created some discussion. Thanks!

Maybe another will stimulate more discussion. Has anyone ever used Calc Carb
for someone who is not fat? If so can you share anything from that
situation?

Sherill

Oops, I sent this a few days ago--but see that I had accidentally sent it to
someone privately, so will try again.

My son (now 14) has benefited hugely from it at various times, single doses
high, over the years. He was and is slim--very different from the picture I
kept reading of calc-c kids!--so I hesitated, but it worked
wonderfully. (Given on totality, mostly mental / emotional picture plus
food cravings and aversions.) Yep, those "portraits" can be a double-edged
sword! :-)

Shannon


On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 11:18 PM, muthu kumar <hahnemannian2002 (AT) yahoo (DOT) com>wrote:

> Hi-
>
> Calc carb does not have to be fat. And that goes for Nux vom irritability
> too... the irritability is much more of a hypersensitivity in Nux though
> even that has not been consistent...always remember that some of the mental
> pictures that we observe and are reported to us are compensated pictures...
> lots of times we might not be able to find out the real core - that is why
> physical generals and other physical symptoms become important-
>
> I have used Calc carb in many patients without their being fat--
>
> A case of sleeplessness due to worries about job cured by Calc.
> A case of vertigo, anger at past incidents and loss of eye sight - much
> improved with Calc
> A case of ulcerative colitis with cold water amelioration of pain in the
> iliac regions cured by Calc (
>
> Index to aggravations and ameliorations - Neatby - has the modality covered
> and Lilienthal confirmed the selection.
>
> I could go on and on about Calc and other remedies...
> do not be prejudiced by the descriptions of these remedies... any remedy
> can be indicated in any condition and in any constitution
>
>
>
> --- On Fri, 7/31/09, Sherill <sherill (AT) ecentral (DOT) com> wrote:
>
> From: Sherill <sherill (AT) ecentral (DOT) com>
> Subject: [H] Nux, now Calc carb
> To: homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> Date: Friday, July 31, 2009, 2:42 PM
>
> I answered Shannon privately since a case I shared is not for public
> consumption. Here I would like to thank her for posting a question that
> created some discussion. Thanks!
>
> Maybe another will stimulate more discussion. Has anyone ever used Calc
> Carb
> for someone who is not fat? If so can you share anything from that
> situation?
>
> Sherill
>
>
>

Hi Shannon

On Thu, 30 Jul 2009, shannonnelson tds.net wrote:

> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone have
> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
> irritability?

Well, I have taken it - 30 C -, as suggested by Boericke, at the first
signs of a coming headcold i. e. scratching in the throat, shivering
fpr long years now. Apparently it has been effective, since the only
time I have gotten colds in the meantime was when I did not have it
around to take. Also for other conditions that showed the
characteristic shivering.

Irritability has not been part of the picture in those cases.

Nux v. often has worked for me in other situations too - and I am not
an irritable kind of person.

Regards

Luise

> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>
> Thanks!
> Shannon
>

Nux-v does not have to be irritable but diarrhea is a contraindication,
I can think of scores of cases where children have needed nux-v usually
for acute constipation.
To understand Nux vomica. Get a really bad hangover, then take a dose,
feel better instantly. If you were a poison nut last night take a poison
nut in the morning.
A poison nut... I have had a few bosses like that, Nux-v does seem to
become the boss, if not own the business out right. The girl running the
cash register crying is pulsatilla, the reason she is cryng is the
nux-vomica boss yelled at her. I once heard" the reason there are so many
sepia women, is because there are so many Nux-vomica men" But women also
need nux-v, compliments sepia. that always seemed ironic and men do need
sepia, I missed a few of those in my earlier days
Materia medica is so cool the more you learn the more you want to
learn. peace to all, Mike


> [Original Message]
> From: shannonnelson tds.net <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
> Date: 7/30/2009 4:00:34 PM
> Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone
have
> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
> irritability?
> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>
> Thanks!
> Shannon
>

On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Mike Law wrote:

> Nux-v does not have to be irritable but diarrhea is a
> contraindication,


Sorry but you could not be more wrong. It is often the remedy for
gushing diarrhea, especially after eating the "wrong thing".
Here are some Nux-v rubrics:

RECTUM - DIARRHEA
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - air agg.; draft of
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alcoholic drinks; after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alternating with - constipation
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alternating with - constipation - old people; in
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - anger; after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - breakfast - after - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cathartics, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - children; in
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - children; in - infants
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - chill - during
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold - food - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold; after taking a
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - daytime
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - debauch, after a
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - dentition; during
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - diet - change of diet; least
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - dinner; after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drinking - after - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drinking - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drugs; after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drunkards - old drunkards
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - eating - after - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - excitement agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - exhausting
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - fever - during - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - fever - intermittent, during
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - food - change of, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - ginger, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - indiscretion in eating, after the slightest
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - jaundice; during
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - magnesia, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - menses - during - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - mental exertion - after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - milk - boiled, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - morning
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - motion - agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - noise agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - nursing; after - child; in the
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - old people
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - onions agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - opium; after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - overheated, after being
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - painful
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - painless
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - pregnancy - during
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - rhubarb agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - sauerkraut, after
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - sensation as before diarrhea
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - warm - bed - amel.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - water - drinking agg.
RECTUM - DIARRHEA - weather - cold - agg.
RECTUM - DINNER; after - Perineum
RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight
RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - Anus
RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - stool - after - agg.
RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - stool - during - agg.
RECTUM - DYSENTERY
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - Back - pain - Sacral region
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - fever
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - stool - desire for; no
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - stool - small and unsatisfactory
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - chronic
RECTUM - DYSENTERY - stool; after - amel.

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Thanks Irene, Well there ya go. I stand corrected, I believe its
called crystalizing a remedy picture in your mind. ie nux is irritable
What I may have been thinking was the ":Absence of all desire for
defacation is a contra indication". ( Boericke)



> [Original Message]
> From: Irene de Villiers <furryboots (AT) icehouse (DOT) net>
> To: homeo list <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
> Date: 10/10/2009 1:39:10 AM
> Subject: Re: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
>
> On Oct 8, 2009, at 9:34 AM, Mike Law wrote:
>
> > Nux-v does not have to be irritable but diarrhea is a
> > contraindication,
>
>
> Sorry but you could not be more wrong. It is often the remedy for
> gushing diarrhea, especially after eating the "wrong thing".
> Here are some Nux-v rubrics:
>
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - air agg.; draft of
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alcoholic drinks; after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alternating with - constipation
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - alternating with - constipation - old people; in
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - anger; after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - breakfast - after - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cathartics, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - children; in
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - children; in - infants
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - chill - during
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold - food - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - cold; after taking a
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - daytime
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - debauch, after a
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - dentition; during
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - diet - change of diet; least
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - dinner; after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drinking - after - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drinking - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drugs; after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - drunkards - old drunkards
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - eating - after - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - excitement agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - exhausting
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - fever - during - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - fever - intermittent, during
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - food - change of, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - ginger, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - indiscretion in eating, after the slightest
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - jaundice; during
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - magnesia, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - menses - during - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - mental exertion - after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - milk - boiled, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - morning
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - motion - agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - noise agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - nursing; after - child; in the
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - old people
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - onions agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - opium; after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - overheated, after being
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - painful
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - painless
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - pregnancy - during
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - rhubarb agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - sauerkraut, after
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - sensation as before diarrhea
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - warm - bed - amel.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - water - drinking agg.
> RECTUM - DIARRHEA - weather - cold - agg.
> RECTUM - DINNER; after - Perineum
> RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight
> RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - Anus
> RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - stool - after - agg.
> RECTUM - DRAGGING, heaviness, weight - stool - during - agg.
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - Back - pain - Sacral region
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - fever
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - stool - desire for; no
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - accompanied by - stool - small and unsatisfactory
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - chronic
> RECTUM - DYSENTERY - stool; after - amel.
>
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

On Oct 10, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Mike Law wrote:

> Thanks Irene, Well there ya go. I stand corrected, I
> believe its
> called crystalizing a remedy picture in your mind. ie nux is irritable
> What I may have been thinking was the ":Absence of all desire for
> defacation is a contra indication". ( Boericke)

I do not think we should consider the existence of "contra-
indications" in homeopathy. The concept is not supported in homeopathy.
The only way to find a remedy match is to look for what IS there as
symptoms - not for what is not there (contra-indications).

If the symptoms presenting are in the remedy then the remedy is a
match. It is irrelevant what is not there in the person or what else
the remedy has. It matters only what the presenting symptoms are, and
that they are also in the remedy.

Using that positive approach, to find a true match, there can be no
"contraindications".
I would look at it that way round:-)
It can lead you to an excellent matching remedy which you otherwise
might miss. I credit that approach with several successes I have had
where others are not getting luck. It is to me actually very
important to ignore the "doesn't fit"s and look ONLY at the "does
fit"s. I choose remedies solely on symptoms of the patient that DO
fit the remedy.

Namaste,
Irene

--
Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
"Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."

Okay, this is a point I often get stuck on...
I do understand that if a remedy "doesn't fit" a part of the case
which is arguably not-a-symptom (e.g. patient is not irritable), then
we shouldn't rush to discard it--"He's not irritable, so it must not
be Nux-v that he needs." But OTOH something like "absence of urging"
I would take to mean *constipation* with absence of urging--which
would definitely be a symptom. If it's a strong symptom in the case
*and* the remedy under consideration is a well proved one with ample
clinical history, then wouldn't you hesitate? After all, you *do*
want the remedy to cover those *symptoms* which are important to the
case...

That was my understanding of what a "contra-indication" might be in
this situation--a *symptom* which is definitely not (or at least in
the author's experience definitely not) part of the remedy's symptom
picture.

The situation could be more difficult in the case of a remedy which
isn't fully proven, or where the symptom is maybe not so definite in
the case.

??
Shannon


On Oct 10, 2009, at 4:04 PM, Irene de Villiers wrote:

>
> On Oct 10, 2009, at 8:15 AM, Mike Law wrote:
>
>> Thanks Irene, Well there ya go. I stand corrected, I
>> believe its
>> called crystalizing a remedy picture in your mind. ie nux is
>> irritable
>> What I may have been thinking was the ":Absence of all desire for
>> defacation is a contra indication". ( Boericke)
>
> I do not think we should consider the existence of "contra-
> indications" in homeopathy. The concept is not supported in
> homeopathy.
> The only way to find a remedy match is to look for what IS there as
> symptoms - not for what is not there (contra-indications).
>
> If the symptoms presenting are in the remedy then the remedy is a
> match. It is irrelevant what is not there in the person or what else
> the remedy has. It matters only what the presenting symptoms are, and
> that they are also in the remedy.
>
> Using that positive approach, to find a true match, there can be no
> "contraindications".
> I would look at it that way round:-)
> It can lead you to an excellent matching remedy which you otherwise
> might miss. I credit that approach with several successes I have had
> where others are not getting luck. It is to me actually very
> important to ignore the "doesn't fit"s and look ONLY at the "does
> fit"s. I choose remedies solely on symptoms of the patient that DO
> fit the remedy.
>
> Namaste,
> Irene
>
> --
> Irene de Villiers, B.Sc AASCA MCSSA D.I.Hom/D.Vet.Hom.
> P.O. Box 4703 Spokane WA 99220.
> www.angelfire.com/fl/furryboots/clickhere.html (Veterinary Homeopath.)
> "Man who say it cannot be done should not interrupt one doing it."
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Hi,



Hahnemann specifically forbids giving Nux-v where there is no irritability

in the following Aph 213:


We shall, therefore, never be able to cure conformably to nature - that is to say, homoeopathically - if we do not, in every case of disease, even in such as are acute, observe, along with the other symptoms, those relating to the changes in the state of the mind and disposition, and if we do not select, for the patient's relief, from among the medicines a disease-force which, in addition to the similarity of its other symptoms to those of the disease, is also capable of producing a similar state of the disposition and mind. (1)
(1) Thus aconite will seldom or never effect either a rapid or permanent cure in a patient of a quiet, calm, equable disposition; and just as little will nux vomica be sercviceable where disposition is mild and phlegmatic, pulsatilla where it is happy, gay and obstinate, or ignatia where it is imperturbable and disposed neither to be frightened nor vexed.



V.T.Yekkirala.





> From: claw6 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net
> To: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net; homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:34:25 -0400
> Subject: Re: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>
> Nux-v does not have to be irritable but diarrhea is a contraindication,
> I can think of scores of cases where children have needed nux-v usually
> for acute constipation.
> To understand Nux vomica. Get a really bad hangover, then take a dose,
> feel better instantly. If you were a poison nut last night take a poison
> nut in the morning.
> A poison nut... I have had a few bosses like that, Nux-v does seem to
> become the boss, if not own the business out right. The girl running the
> cash register crying is pulsatilla, the reason she is cryng is the
> nux-vomica boss yelled at her. I once heard" the reason there are so many
> sepia women, is because there are so many Nux-vomica men" But women also
> need nux-v, compliments sepia. that always seemed ironic and men do need
> sepia, I missed a few of those in my earlier days
> Materia medica is so cool the more you learn the more you want to
> learn. peace to all, Mike
>
>
> > [Original Message]
> > From: shannonnelson tds.net <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
> > To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
> > Date: 7/30/2009 4:00:34 PM
> > Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
> >
> > I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone
> have
> > cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not also show
> > irritability?
> > I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Shannon
> >

On Oct 11, 2009, at 8:08 AM, V.T. Yekkirala wrote:

>
> Hi,
>
>
>
> Hahnemann specifically forbids giving Nux-v where there is no
> irritability


He would not have said such a thing. Your quotation does not support
the idea either......
I believe you misinterpreted that........

Hahnemann said you would "Seldom effect a rapid cure" using Nux in a
person who is Mild and Phlegmatic.
That is not that same as saying irritability (or anything else) must
be there:-)

An analogy: Just because the apple is green does not mean everything
green is an apple :-)

One must start with the presenting symptoms. As Hahnemann does in his
example - NOT with something supposedly "missing". SO Hahnemann says
if presenting symptoms are Mild and Phlegmatic - it will not lead to
Nux.
The presenting symptoms MUST do the leading.
He does not use negative approach of "forbidding" any remedy for
irritability (or any other feature) as you claim.
He starts with presenting symptoms.
He never looks for what is not there.
Nor should we:-)

If irritability is not there, that is irrelevant.
What IS there is the only relevant stuff.
If what's there leads to Nux, then use Nux.
If what's there does not lead to Nux, then use what it does lead to.

It's the risk of going backwards (looking for remedy features in the
patient)
that makes it a bad idea to know anything at all about remedies!!!

Knowing about remedies is a disadvantage unless you let the
presenting symptoms do the leading.
Don't call everything green an apple :-)

A Nux case need not be irritable. But the CASE symptoms will lead you
to Nux if they are right for Nux.
Example of a typical Nux case, with no irritability:
MIND - INTELLECTUAL
MIND - INTROSPECTION
MIND - ABSENTMINDED - dreamy
MIND - AILMENTS FROM - cares, worries
MIND - AILMENTS FROM - failure - literary, scientific failure
MIND - ALCOHOLISM - diabetes; with
MIND - AMBITION - loss of
MIND - BLOOD; cannot look at - wounds; cannot look at
MIND - DELUSIONS - die - about to die; one was
MIND - DISCOMFORT - colors - shiny - agg.

Namaste,
Irene


>
> in the following Aph 213:
>
>
> We shall, therefore, never be able to cure conformably to nature
> - that is to say, homoeopathically - if we do not, in every case of
> disease, even in such as are acute, observe, along with the other
> symptoms, those relating to the changes in the state of the mind
> and disposition, and if we do not select, for the patient's relief,
> from among the medicines a disease-force which, in addition to the
> similarity of its other symptoms to those of the disease, is also
> capable of producing a similar state of the disposition and mind. (1)
> (1) Thus aconite will seldom or never effect either a rapid or
> permanent cure in a patient of a quiet, calm, equable disposition;
> and just as little will nux vomica be sercviceable where
> disposition is mild and phlegmatic, pulsatilla where it is happy,
> gay and obstinate, or ignatia where it is imperturbable and
> disposed neither to be frightened nor vexed.
>
>
>
> V.T.Yekkirala.
>
>
>
>
>
>> From: claw6 (AT) earthlink (DOT) net
>> To: shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net; homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com
>> Date: Thu, 8 Oct 2009 12:34:25 -0400
>> Subject: Re: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>>
>> Nux-v does not have to be irritable but diarrhea is a
>> contraindication,
>> I can think of scores of cases where children have needed nux-v
>> usually
>> for acute constipation.
>> To understand Nux vomica. Get a really bad hangover, then take a
>> dose,
>> feel better instantly. If you were a poison nut last night take a
>> poison
>> nut in the morning.
>> A poison nut... I have had a few bosses like that, Nux-v does seem to
>> become the boss, if not own the business out right. The girl
>> running the
>> cash register crying is pulsatilla, the reason she is cryng is the
>> nux-vomica boss yelled at her. I once heard" the reason there are
>> so many
>> sepia women, is because there are so many Nux-vomica men" But
>> women also
>> need nux-v, compliments sepia. that always seemed ironic and men
>> do need
>> sepia, I missed a few of those in my earlier days
>> Materia medica is so cool the more you learn the more you want to
>> learn. peace to all, Mike
>>
>>
>>> [Original Message]
>>> From: shannonnelson tds.net <shannonnelson (AT) tds (DOT) net>
>>> To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
>>> Date: 7/30/2009 4:00:34 PM
>>> Subject: [H] Nux vomica w/o irritability?
>>>
>>> I'm trying to expand my understanding of Nux vomica. :-) Does anyone
>> have
>>> cases they can share where it was useful in a case that did not
>>> also show
>>> irritability?
>>> I'd also love to hear cases where it was needed in a child.
>>>
>>> Thanks!
>>> Shannon
>>>