Members may be aware that I have not been actively participating on this Forum after I was warned off by the Moderator a few years ago as according to her, I was using a non classical method of prescribing for ailments posted by members here. It is strange that she did not read the many accounts of these patients who confirmed that my therapy had helped them and if anyone is interested, a search can be made for posts that I have made. I then discovered that I was spending a lot of time in justifying my therapy which was labelled as "Joepathy" by classical homeopaths on the ABC forum and I believe that there is some reference to this term on this Forum too. It was at that stage in 2005 that a friend who is a computer engineer who like me is not qualified in Homeopathy and I established our own Homeopathy and More Forum: Homeopathy forum :: homeopathyandmore.com

The reason for my breaking my long silence on this Forum today is because I was very concerned to read today's BBC headline of a News Report which reads:
FLU INFESTS 100000 IN PAST WEEK. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/healt/8163930.stm

It seems to me that the H1N1 Virus is rapidly reaching Pandemic proportions in the UK and perhaps throughout the world and I feel that urgent measures are called for to fight this Flu. I am informed that there is some antipathy on the part of the Medical sector in the UK to use Homeopathic Remedies to treat diseases but I strongly feel that the time has come to lay all prejudices they may have against Homeopathy aside and use the remedy Oscillococcinum that was reported to have been used to cure many of those affected by the H1N1 virus during the 1918 Pandemic. It was accepted at that time that the loss of life was lower in the case of patients treated by Homeopathy in comparison to those treated by Allopathy.

I believe that this Forum based in the UK is best able to influence Homeopaths (Classical or otherwise) and the medical profession to use Oscillococcinum 200c, the remedy that was used extensively during the 1918 Pandemic which was successful in curing many patients who were affected by this virus.

I would recommend that this remedy is used in the Wet Dose which is made by inserting 2 drops of the Liquid pack of this remedy in Ethanol or 6 globules into a 500ml bottle of spring water. A teaspoonful which is a dose is taken once daily as a prophylactic for those who are not infected by this virus. For those who are infected, the dose is a teaspoonful taken 3 times daily. It is essential that the bottle is succussed by shaking it hard to produce bubbles every time before a teaspoonful is sipped. It is recommended that the standard drugs and vaccines prescribed in Allopathy are not used if the patient is treated by Homeopathy.

I am copying a Thread I posted on my Forum on June 19 entitled "Oscillococcinum used in 1918 during Swing Flu Pandemic" on: Oscillicoccinum used in 1918 during Swine Flu Pandemic :: homeopathyandmore.com

I copy below information on the 1918 Pandemic from Wikipedia.
1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

1918 flu Pandemic

The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to identify the geographic origin of the virus. Most of its victims were healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients. The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.

The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920, spreading even to the Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50 to 100 million people were killed worldwide, or the approximate equivalent of one third of the population of Europe. An estimated 500 million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6 billion at the time), became infected.

Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer deaths.




I copy below and article from the NY Examiner of July 17 which refers to the use of Oscillococcinum during the 1918 Pandemic of Swine Flu.

Swine flu cure used during 1918 flu pandemic

Dose of Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae)

Most of us have recently been avoiding people sneezing on the street, washing our hands more frequently and taking extra vitamin C to defend ourselves against catching Swine flu. Though the CDC recommends Tamiflu or Relenza, there are a few Homeopathic remedies that have been very effective during all the major flu epidemics.

“In the 1918 flu pandemic homeopaths reported around 1% mortality in their cases, while conventional doctors were losing 30% of their patients. “

Homeopathy can be traced back to ancient times when Hippocrates found that he could cure vomiting in a sick person with an herb that actually induces vomiting in a healthy person.

In later years, a German scientist and chemist, Hahnemann, rediscovered the same process when he found an herb that cured malaria in a sick person actually caused malaria-like symptoms in a healthy person. Homeopathy restores the body's innate healing abilities; almost in the same way a vaccine stimulates our immune system.

Dana Ullman of Homeopathic Educational Services states:

"Each person has their own "species" of an illness." One's specific symptoms are unique; pointing to the way “your” body deals with illness, and may be different from person to person. So, the symptoms are not suppressed (like most modern over-the-counter medicines are fashioned to do), but rather, Homeopathy stimulates your body's defenses by giving you nano doses of substances that would cause those symptoms in a healthy person. Essentially, supporting the theory that "like cures like," or as stated above, how our vaccines stimulate our body's innate defense mechanisms.

According to some Homeopath sources, the first method is to take Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae), a homoeopathic medicine that is manufactured from wild duck heart and liver, which are said to be reservoirs for influenza viruses.

This medicine is sold by the company Boiron, over-the-counter in most pharmacies and is very effective as long as it’s used within the first 48 hours of getting flu symptoms.

If you know you have been exposed to the flu virus it can also be taken as a preventive measure.

The dosage for adult and children 2 years of age and older is: one tube every 6 hours up to three times a day.

If the symptoms haven’t subsided within 24-48 hours the next course of action is to find that “more specific” to your constitution remedy.

Early stages of cold and flu

1.Aconitum Napellus: For sneezing and runny nose, and the sudden onset of a cold and for sore throat.

2.Belladonna: For serious symptoms of cold, flu, infection and sore throat that come on suddenly.

3. Ferrum phosphoricum: For people with a weak immune system. Cold and flu symptoms are not vague but uncomfortable. There might be a slight earache, running nose and a mild sore throat.

4. Gelsemium : For fatigue and a generalized heavy, weak feeling pervading the person, even leading to trembling of individual parts and to having heavy, half-open eyelids. These people tend to have little or no thirst, can experience chills up and down their spine, and have a headache in the back part of their head.

For the mid-stage of a cold or flu:
1. Allium Cepa: For profuse nasal discharge, red eyes, and if the discharge is burning and irritating the nostrils.

2. Nux vomica: relieves sneezing attacks.

3. Natrum Muriaticum: Person has a thick, clear fluid discharge that resembles raw egg white. Lips are dry and cracked with cold sores on the side or outside of the mouth.

4. Bryonia: For body aches during the flu that are aggravated by any type of motion suggest the need for this remedy. Generally, these people also have a headache in the front part of their head which is also aggravated by motion. People with the flu who are very irritable and insist upon being left alone tend to benefit from this remedy.

And finally:

Influenzinum: If the symptoms linger on after the flu, give a single dose of this remedy in the 30th or 200th potency.

Generally you don’t have to go crazy trying to find all these remedies and buy them separately, though it would generally be better if a trained Homeopath finds your constitutional remedy.

__________________
Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka

Hi Joe,
Nice to see you! :-)
Academic point--does it in fact say that Oscillo. was used in the 1918 flu?
I see their comment that *homeopathy* was being used, but not clear whether
Oscillo. was in use at that time. ??

But--adding to that and the other remedies mentioned, it's also perhaps
worth noting that Influenzinum has apparently had an excellent track record
as a preventive. I will quote my source: :-)


On 4 Dec. 2001, Julian Winston wrote:

To: "homeopathy related account" <homeopathy (AT) lyghtforce (DOT) com>
From: julian winston <jwinston (AT) actrix (DOT) gen.nz>
Subject: [H] Re: MMR Vaccine - Parent Outrage

[...] Before I was deeply involved in homeopathy (i.e., thinking about
treating
'constitutionally') I was seeing a grand old homeopath in Philly named Ray
Seidel.
In 1971 (or was it 1972?) when the "Swine Flu" was approaching, I
asked him about getting a "flu shot." He said, "Nah. It will do
nothing but make you sick. Hold out your tongue..." And he gave me a
single dose of Nelson's Influenzinum 200. He gave me a little packet
of the stuff and suggested I give it to the folks I worked with.
I was able to convince three of my colleagues to accept this
"alternate" flu shot.
None of us got the flu, although there were many absences of other
during the winter. As I learned more about homeopathy, I asked Seidel
about his success with giving Influenzinum, and he said he had never
had a patient of his get the flu after receiving the remedy. He had a
practice in Philly of about 3,000 people.

JW
---------------------------------
Personally I would not take anything for prophylaxis of the flu unless there
appeared to be an appreciable risk *of* getting it, and also *to* getting
it--in absence of preexisting health problems, this flu seems to act (so
far) just like any other--you get sick, then you get well, and apparently
antibodies to any type of flu do have *some* protective effect toward other
flus, tho only to a (variable and uncertain) degree.

I know there have been studies done on Oscillococcinum, but I haven't read
them. Can anyone summarize for me?

Also--I've read several places that vitamin D is excellent both for
protection from flu, and for help in getting over it faster--as well as for
many other purposes! Get it from sun (5 - 15 minutes before 10 a.m. or
after 3 p.m. is the recommendation I have read), or from fish oil, but get
it! Then maybe won't need anything for any flu at all. :-)

Best,
Shannon


On Thu, Jul 23, 2009 at 1:26 PM, <homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> Members may be aware that I have not been actively participating on this
> Forum after I was warned off by the Moderator a few years ago as
> according to her, I was using a non classical method of prescribing for
> ailments posted by members here. It is strange that she did not read the
> many accounts of these patients who confirmed that my therapy had helped
> them and if anyone is interested, a search can be made for posts that I
> have made. I then discovered that I was spending a lot of time in
> justifying my therapy which was labelled as "Joepathy" by classical
> homeopaths on the ABC forum and I believe that there is some reference
> to this term on this Forum too. It was at that stage in 2005 that a
> friend who is a computer engineer who like me is not qualified in
> Homeopathy and I established our own Homeopathy and More Forum:
> 'Homeopathy forum :: homeopathyandmore.com'
> (http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/for...wforum.php?f=1)
>
> The reason for my breaking my long silence on this Forum today is
> because I was very concerned to read today's BBC headline of a News
> Report which reads:
> FLU INFESTS 100000 IN PAST WEEK.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/healt/8163930.stm
>
> It seems to me that the H1N1 Virus is rapidly reaching Pandemic
> proportions in the UK and perhaps throughout the world and I feel that
> urgent measures are called for to fight this Flu. I am informed that
> there is some antipathy on the part of the Medical sector in the UK to
> use Homeopathic Remedies to treat diseases but I strongly feel that the
> time has come to lay all prejudices they may have against Homeopathy
> aside and use the remedy Oscillococcinum that was reported to have been
> used to cure many of those affected by the H1N1 virus during the 1918
> Pandemic. It was accepted at that time that the loss of life was lower
> in the case of patients treated by Homeopathy in comparison to those
> treated by Allopathy.
>
> I believe that this Forum based in the UK is best able to influence
> Homeopaths (Classical or otherwise) and the medical profession to use
> Oscillococcinum 200c, the remedy that was used extensively during the
> 1918 Pandemic which was successful in curing many patients who were
> affected by this virus.
>
> I would recommend that this remedy is used in the Wet Dose which is
> made by inserting 2 drops of the Liquid pack of this remedy in Ethanol
> or 4 globules into a 500ml bottle of spring water. A teaspoonful which
> is a dose is taken once daily as a prophylactic for those who are not
> infected by this virus. For those who are infected, the dose is a
> teaspoonful taken 3 times daily. It is essential that the bottle is
> succussed by shaking it hard to produce bubbles every time before a
> teaspoonful is sipped. It is recommended that the standard drugs and
> vaccines prescribed in Allopathy are not used if the patient is treated
> by Homeopathy.
>
> I am copying a Thread I posted on my Forum on June 19 entitled
> "Oscillococcinum used in 1918 during Swing Flu Pandemic" on:
> 'Oscillicoccinum used in 1918 during Swine Flu Pandemic ::
> homeopathyandmore.com'
> (http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/for...pic.php?t=2968)
>
> I copy below information on the 1918 Pandemic from Wikipedia.
> '1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic)
>
> 1918 flu Pandemic
>
> The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an
> influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was
> caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of
> subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to
> identify the geographic origin of the virus. Most of its victims were
> healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which
> predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients.
> The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of
> encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.
>
> The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920, spreading even to the
> Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50
> to 100 million people were killed worldwide, or the approximate
> equivalent of one third of the population of Europe. An estimated 500
> million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6
> billion at the time), became infected.
>
> Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce
> the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been
> controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions
> of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm
> (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually
> severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The
> strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the
> weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer
> deaths.
>
>
>
>
> I copy below and article from the NY Examiner of July 17 which refers
> to the use of Oscillococcinum during the 1918 Pandemic of Swine Flu.
>
> 'Swine flu cure used during 1918 flu pandemic'
> (http://tinyurl.com/nff8yb)
>
> Dose of Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae)
>
> Most of us have recently been avoiding people sneezing on the street,
> washing our hands more frequently and taking extra vitamin C to defend
> ourselves against catching Swine flu. Though the CDC recommends Tamiflu
> or Relenza, there are a few Homeopathic remedies that have been very
> effective during all the major flu epidemics.
>
> “In the 1918 flu pandemic homeopaths reported around 1% mortality in
> their cases, while conventional doctors were losing 30% of their
> patients. “
>
> Homeopathy can be traced back to ancient times when Hippocrates found
> that he could cure vomiting in a sick person with an herb that actually
> induces vomiting in a healthy person.
>
> In later years, a German scientist and chemist, Hahnemann, rediscovered
> the same process when he found an herb that cured malaria in a sick
> person actually caused malaria-like symptoms in a healthy person.
> Homeopathy restores the body's innate healing abilities; almost in the
> same way a vaccine stimulates our immune system.
>
> Dana Ullman of Homeopathic Educational Services states:
>
> "Each person has their own "species" of an illness." One's specific
> symptoms are unique; pointing to the way “your” body deals with illness,
> and may be different from person to person. So, the symptoms are not
> suppressed (like most modern over-the-counter medicines are fashioned to
> do), but rather, Homeopathy stimulates your body's defenses by giving
> you nano doses of substances that would cause those symptoms in a
> healthy person. Essentially, supporting the theory that "like cures
> like," or as stated above, how our vaccines stimulate our body's innate
> defense mechanisms.
>
> According to some Homeopath sources, the first method is to take
> Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae), a homoeopathic medicine that is
> manufactured from wild duck heart and liver, which are said to be
> reservoirs for influenza viruses.
>
> This medicine is sold by the company Boiron, over-the-counter in most
> pharmacies and is very effective as long as it’s used within the first
> 48 hours of getting flu symptoms.
>
> If you know you have been exposed to the flu virus it can also be taken
> as a preventive measure.
>
> The dosage for adult and children 2 years of age and older is: one tube
> every 6 hours up to three times a day.
>
> If the symptoms haven’t subsided within 24-48 hours the next course of
> action is to find that “more specific” to your constitution remedy.
>
> Early stages of cold and flu
>
> 1.Aconitum Napellus: For sneezing and runny nose, and the sudden onset
> of a cold and for sore throat.
>
> 2.Belladonna: For serious symptoms of cold, flu, infection and sore
> throat that come on suddenly.
>
> 3. Ferrum phosphoricum: For people with a weak immune system. Cold and
> flu symptoms are not vague but uncomfortable. There might be a slight
> earache, running nose and a mild sore throat.
>
> 4. Gelsemium : For fatigue and a generalized heavy, weak feeling
> pervading the person, even leading to trembling of individual parts and
> to having heavy, half-open eyelids. These people tend to have little or
> no thirst, can experience chills up and down their spine, and have a
> headache in the back part of their head.
>
> For the mid-stage of a cold or flu:
> 1. Allium Cepa: For profuse nasal discharge, red eyes, and if the
> discharge is burning and irritating the nostrils.
>
> 2. Nux vomica: relieves sneezing attacks.
>
> 3. Natrum Muriaticum: Person has a thick, clear fluid discharge that
> resembles raw egg white. Lips are dry and cracked with cold sores on the
> side or outside of the mouth.
>
> 4. Bryonia: For body aches during the flu that are aggravated by any
> type of motion suggest the need for this remedy. Generally, these people
> also have a headache in the front part of their head which is also
> aggravated by motion. People with the flu who are very irritable and
> insist upon being left alone tend to benefit from this remedy.
>
> And finally:
>
> Influenzinum: If the symptoms linger on after the flu, give a single
> dose of this remedy in the 30th or 200th potency.
>
> Generally you don’t have to go crazy trying to find all these remedies
> and buy them separately, though it would generally be better if a
> trained Homeopath finds your constitutional remedy.
>
>
> --
> Joe De Livera
>
> Joe De Livera
> Colombo
> Sri Lanka
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Joe De Livera's Profile: http://www.otherhealth.com/members/joe-de-livera.html
> View this thread: Oscillococcinum used to treat the Swine Flu H1N1 Virus in the 1918 Pandemic
>
>
>

Hi,

How is it that Oscillo acted in 1918 -- while it was discovered in 1935????

Rafy
----- Original Message -----
From: <homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com>
To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:26 PM
Subject: [H] Oscillococcinum used to treat the Swine Flu H1N1 Virus in the1918 Pandemic


>
> Members may be aware that I have not been actively participating on this
> Forum after I was warned off by the Moderator a few years ago as
> according to her, I was using a non classical method of prescribing for
> ailments posted by members here. It is strange that she did not read the
> many accounts of these patients who confirmed that my therapy had helped
> them and if anyone is interested, a search can be made for posts that I
> have made. I then discovered that I was spending a lot of time in
> justifying my therapy which was labelled as "Joepathy" by classical
> homeopaths on the ABC forum and I believe that there is some reference
> to this term on this Forum too. It was at that stage in 2005 that a
> friend who is a computer engineer who like me is not qualified in
> Homeopathy and I established our own Homeopathy and More Forum:
> 'Homeopathy forum :: homeopathyandmore.com'
> (http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/for...wforum.php?f=1)
>
> The reason for my breaking my long silence on this Forum today is
> because I was very concerned to read today's BBC headline of a News
> Report which reads:
> FLU INFESTS 100000 IN PAST WEEK.
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/healt/8163930.stm
>
> It seems to me that the H1N1 Virus is rapidly reaching Pandemic
> proportions in the UK and perhaps throughout the world and I feel that
> urgent measures are called for to fight this Flu. I am informed that
> there is some antipathy on the part of the Medical sector in the UK to
> use Homeopathic Remedies to treat diseases but I strongly feel that the
> time has come to lay all prejudices they may have against Homeopathy
> aside and use the remedy Oscillococcinum that was reported to have been
> used to cure many of those affected by the H1N1 virus during the 1918
> Pandemic. It was accepted at that time that the loss of life was lower
> in the case of patients treated by Homeopathy in comparison to those
> treated by Allopathy.
>
> I believe that this Forum based in the UK is best able to influence
> Homeopaths (Classical or otherwise) and the medical profession to use
> Oscillococcinum 200c, the remedy that was used extensively during the
> 1918 Pandemic which was successful in curing many patients who were
> affected by this virus.
>
> I would recommend that this remedy is used in the Wet Dose which is
> made by inserting 2 drops of the Liquid pack of this remedy in Ethanol
> or 4 globules into a 500ml bottle of spring water. A teaspoonful which
> is a dose is taken once daily as a prophylactic for those who are not
> infected by this virus. For those who are infected, the dose is a
> teaspoonful taken 3 times daily. It is essential that the bottle is
> succussed by shaking it hard to produce bubbles every time before a
> teaspoonful is sipped. It is recommended that the standard drugs and
> vaccines prescribed in Allopathy are not used if the patient is treated
> by Homeopathy.
>
> I am copying a Thread I posted on my Forum on June 19 entitled
> "Oscillococcinum used in 1918 during Swing Flu Pandemic" on:
> 'Oscillicoccinum used in 1918 during Swine Flu Pandemic ::
> homeopathyandmore.com'
> (http://www.homeopathyandmore.com/for...pic.php?t=2968)
>
> I copy below information on the 1918 Pandemic from Wikipedia.
> '1918 flu pandemic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia'
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1918_flu_pandemic)
>
> 1918 flu Pandemic
>
> The 1918 flu pandemic (commonly referred to as the Spanish flu) was an
> influenza pandemic that spread to nearly every part of the world. It was
> caused by an unusually virulent and deadly influenza A virus strain of
> subtype H1N1. Historical and epidemiological data are inadequate to
> identify the geographic origin of the virus. Most of its victims were
> healthy young adults, in contrast to most influenza outbreaks which
> predominantly affect juvenile, elderly, or otherwise weakened patients.
> The flu pandemic has also been implicated in the sudden outbreak of
> encephalitis lethargica in the 1920s.
>
> The pandemic lasted from March 1918 to June 1920, spreading even to the
> Arctic and remote Pacific islands. It is estimated that anywhere from 50
> to 100 million people were killed worldwide, or the approximate
> equivalent of one third of the population of Europe. An estimated 500
> million people, one third of the world's population (approximately 1.6
> billion at the time), became infected.
>
> Scientists have used tissue samples from frozen victims to reproduce
> the virus for study. Given the strain's extreme virulence there has been
> controversy regarding the wisdom of such research. Among the conclusions
> of this research is that the virus kills via a cytokine storm
> (overreaction of the body's immune system) which explains its unusually
> severe nature and the concentrated age profile of its victims. The
> strong immune systems of young adults ravaged the body, whereas the
> weaker immune systems of children and middle-aged adults caused fewer
> deaths.
>
>
>
>
> I copy below and article from the NY Examiner of July 17 which refers
> to the use of Oscillococcinum during the 1918 Pandemic of Swine Flu.
>
> 'Swine flu cure used during 1918 flu pandemic'
> (http://tinyurl.com/nff8yb)
>
> Dose of Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae)
>
> Most of us have recently been avoiding people sneezing on the street,
> washing our hands more frequently and taking extra vitamin C to defend
> ourselves against catching Swine flu. Though the CDC recommends Tamiflu
> or Relenza, there are a few Homeopathic remedies that have been very
> effective during all the major flu epidemics.
>
> “In the 1918 flu pandemic homeopaths reported around 1% mortality in
> their cases, while conventional doctors were losing 30% of their
> patients. “
>
> Homeopathy can be traced back to ancient times when Hippocrates found
> that he could cure vomiting in a sick person with an herb that actually
> induces vomiting in a healthy person.
>
> In later years, a German scientist and chemist, Hahnemann, rediscovered
> the same process when he found an herb that cured malaria in a sick
> person actually caused malaria-like symptoms in a healthy person.
> Homeopathy restores the body's innate healing abilities; almost in the
> same way a vaccine stimulates our immune system.
>
> Dana Ullman of Homeopathic Educational Services states:
>
> "Each person has their own "species" of an illness." One's specific
> symptoms are unique; pointing to the way “your” body deals with illness,
> and may be different from person to person. So, the symptoms are not
> suppressed (like most modern over-the-counter medicines are fashioned to
> do), but rather, Homeopathy stimulates your body's defenses by giving
> you nano doses of substances that would cause those symptoms in a
> healthy person. Essentially, supporting the theory that "like cures
> like," or as stated above, how our vaccines stimulate our body's innate
> defense mechanisms.
>
> According to some Homeopath sources, the first method is to take
> Oscillococcinum (Anas Barbariae), a homoeopathic medicine that is
> manufactured from wild duck heart and liver, which are said to be
> reservoirs for influenza viruses.
>
> This medicine is sold by the company Boiron, over-the-counter in most
> pharmacies and is very effective as long as it’s used within the first
> 48 hours of getting flu symptoms.
>
> If you know you have been exposed to the flu virus it can also be taken
> as a preventive measure.
>
> The dosage for adult and children 2 years of age and older is: one tube
> every 6 hours up to three times a day.
>
> If the symptoms haven’t subsided within 24-48 hours the next course of
> action is to find that “more specific” to your constitution remedy.
>
> Early stages of cold and flu
>
> 1.Aconitum Napellus: For sneezing and runny nose, and the sudden onset
> of a cold and for sore throat.
>
> 2.Belladonna: For serious symptoms of cold, flu, infection and sore
> throat that come on suddenly.
>
> 3. Ferrum phosphoricum: For people with a weak immune system. Cold and
> flu symptoms are not vague but uncomfortable. There might be a slight
> earache, running nose and a mild sore throat.
>
> 4. Gelsemium : For fatigue and a generalized heavy, weak feeling
> pervading the person, even leading to trembling of individual parts and
> to having heavy, half-open eyelids. These people tend to have little or
> no thirst, can experience chills up and down their spine, and have a
> headache in the back part of their head.
>
> For the mid-stage of a cold or flu:
> 1. Allium Cepa: For profuse nasal discharge, red eyes, and if the
> discharge is burning and irritating the nostrils.
>
> 2. Nux vomica: relieves sneezing attacks.
>
> 3. Natrum Muriaticum: Person has a thick, clear fluid discharge that
> resembles raw egg white. Lips are dry and cracked with cold sores on the
> side or outside of the mouth.
>
> 4. Bryonia: For body aches during the flu that are aggravated by any
> type of motion suggest the need for this remedy. Generally, these people
> also have a headache in the front part of their head which is also
> aggravated by motion. People with the flu who are very irritable and
> insist upon being left alone tend to benefit from this remedy.
>
> And finally:
>
> Influenzinum: If the symptoms linger on after the flu, give a single
> dose of this remedy in the 30th or 200th potency.
>
> Generally you don’t have to go crazy trying to find all these remedies
> and buy them separately, though it would generally be better if a
> trained Homeopath finds your constitutional remedy.
>
>
> --
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Hi Shannon,

Thank you for your welcome.

I agree with you that there is no direct evidence that Oscillococcinum was used in the 1918 pandemic as although there is some evidence that it was discovered about that time by Joseph Roy a French Physician, it was only marketed as a Homeopathic remedy in 1930.

I have posted a reply in response to a query similar to yours on this Forum about whether Oscillococcinum was used in the 1918 Pandemic which I shall copy below:

Thank you for correcting the error made by me in reporting that Oscillococcinum was the remedy used in treating the 1918 Pandemic of Swine Flu caused by the H1N1 virus. Oscillococcinum was discovered by Joseph Roy a French physician who was on military duty when the Spanish flu hit the world in 1917 and the article by Jan W Nienhuys refers to its discovery on:
The True Story of Oscillococcinum
Joseph Roy is reported to have first marketed it in 1930 and there is therefore no question that it was some other remedy that was used in 1918 Pandemic. It is now being marketed by Boiron as Anas Barbariae and seems to enjoy the confidence of Homeopaths as it has been tested and found to help in the treatment of Flues.

You will note that I had quoted the NY Examiner of July 17 in my post for the information that I was keen to place before members of this Forum as I felt that this remedy could provide some prophylaxis against the virus to those who chose to use it. I was very concerned when the BBC reported that over 100000 cases of this virus had been reported in the week previous to my article.

It is however obvious that the NY Examiner had slipped up in reporting this information.
Swine flu cure used during 1918 flu pandemic

Please accept my apologies for copying this information which is incorrect.

It would be of interest to us today to ascertain the names of the Homeopathic remedies that were used at that time to treat the H1N1 Pandemic as historic records indicate that the loss of life was far less in the case of patients treated by Homeopathy in comparison to those treated by Drugs which at that time were very basic.



I would doubt very much that Influenzinum would be able to provide prophylaxis to the H1N1 as it is not likely that this virus could have been included in the strains of viruses that are included in the current formula.

I would like to record my experience in using Gelsemium to provide prophylaxis to inmates of many households in Colombo about 3 years ago when we were suffering from an epidemic of Chikun Gunya which is also caused by a virus transmitted by the Aedes Egyptii mosqito. This virus is only passed on by the mosquito unlike the Swine Flu virus which is passed on by direct contact/dispersal like a cold virus.

I am copying the link to the article on my Forum for reference:

TREATMENT OF CHIKUNGUNYA :: homeopathyandmore.com

I was informed by my colleagues in India where this same virus was raging some time previously that Polyporus Pinicola 200c was the remedy that they used successfully for this virus. I gave this remedy in the Wet dose (2 drops of the remedy in 500ml Spring water) that I use to dispense a remedy to all my patients, and was able to help over 100 cases who presented this disease as they invariably responded in 3 days.

In all cases of patients suffering from CKG at home, I also gave them a 500ml bottle of spring water which I had medicated with 2 drops of Gelsemium 30 with instructions to take a teaspoonful twice daily. I was gratified to note that Gels seemed to provide them the required prophylaxis as I did not get a single report of any cross infection of the other members of the household.

For the record I would like to state that I am not a qualified Homeopath and that I have treated all patients free of charge for the last 25 years.

I wonder if Gelsemium 30 taken in a similar manner can provide the same prophylaxis against the H1N1 virus. I have no evidence that it can help to provide prophylaxis and do not wish to suggest it but there is a good chance that it may. In any event I am confident that Gelsemium is far preferable to the vaccines that are now being used in the UK and throughout the world as it cannot harm a patient like the vaccines are reported to have done in many cases

Regards

Joe.

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Hi Jo

The statistics for swine flu here in the UK are wildly inaccurate because people are being diagnosed without having seen a GP, let alone confirmation of the presence of the H1N1 virus through blood tests.

Swine flu alert from the NHS

Your post only helps to spread fear and misinformation.

Sim

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My understanding had been that those flu cases were simply repertorized in
the usual manner, tho now that I think, I don't recall reading any details
about that. Have you read Sandra Perko's "Homeopathic Treatment of
Influenza"? It talks a good bit about that flu, and *may* have said
something about the remedies used-but I'm not sure (anyone have a copy to
check?).
As to whether Influenzinum would provide protection, that seems a really
good question to think about! Prophylaxis w;ould have to be based on
choosing a remedy with a similar *symptom picture* to that flu, and my
understanding is that it particular affects the lungs--tho I've read no
details. So the first step should be to find out more about the symptom
picture of this flu (which has thus far been rather mild *except* for people
with (which?) "preexisting health conditions"... It would be great to know
what those preexisting conditions *were*!

Absent that--I'm not near my books or software, so can't check--do you know
what lung symptoms Gels. and Influenzinum cover?

Shannon

On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 2:43 AM, <homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com> wrote:

>
> Hi Shannon,
> Thank you for your welcome.
>
> I agree with you that there is no direct evidence that Oscillococcinum
> was used in the 1918 pandemic as although there is some evidence that it
> was discovered about that time by Joseph Roy a French Physician, it was
> only marketed as a Homeopathic remedy in 1930.
>
> I have posted a reply in response to a query similar to yours on this
> Forum about whether Oscillococcinum was used in the 1918 Pandemic which
> I shall copy below:
>
> Thank you for correcting the error made by me in reporting that
> Oscillococcinum was the remedy used in treating the 1918 Pandemic of
> Swine Flu caused by the H1N1 virus. Oscillococcinum was discovered by
> Joseph Roy a French physician who was on military duty when the Spanish
> flu hit the world in 1917 and the article by Jan W Nienhuys refers to
> its discovery on:
> 'The True Story of Oscillococcinum'
> (http://www.homeowatch.org/history/oscillo.html)
> Joseph Roy is reported to have first marketed it in 1930 and there is
> therefore no question that it was some other remedy that was used in
> 1918 Pandemic. It is now being marketed by Boiron as Anas Barbariae and
> seems to enjoy the confidence of Homeopaths as it has been tested and
> found to help in the treatment of Flues.
>
> You will note that I had quoted the NY Examiner of July 17 in my post
> for the information that I was keen to place before members of this
> Forum as I felt that this remedy could provide some prophylaxis against
> the virus to those who chose to use it. I was very concerned when the
> BBC reported that over 100000 cases of this virus had been reported in
> the week previous to my article.
>
> It is however obvious that the NY Examiner had slipped up in reporting
> this information.
> 'Swine flu cure used during 1918 flu pandemic'
> (http://tinyurl.com/nff8yb)
>
> Please accept my apologies for copying this information which is
> incorrect.
>
> It would be of interest to us today to ascertain the names of the
> Homeopathic remedies that were used at that time to treat the H1N1
> Pandemic as historic records indicate that the loss of life was far less
> in the case of patients treated by Homeopathy in comparison to those
> treated by Drugs which at that time were very basic.
>
>
>
> I would doubt very much that Influenzinum would be able to provide
> prophylaxis to the H1N1 as it is not likely that this virus could have
> been included in the strains of viruses that are included in the current
> formula.
>
> I would like to record my experience in using Gelsemium to provide
> prophylaxis to inmates of many households in Colombo about 3 years ago
> when we were suffering from an epidemic of Chikun Gunya which is also
> caused by a virus transmitted by the Aedes Egyptii mosqito. This virus
> is only passed on by the mosquito unlike the Swine Flu virus which is
> passed on by direct contact/dispersal like a cold virus.
>
> I am copying the link to the article on my Forum for reference:
>
> 'TREATMENT OF CHIKUNGUNYA :: homeopathyandmore.com'
> (http://tinyurl.com/lynn7a)
>
> I was informed by my colleagues in India where this same virus was
> raging some time previously that Polyporus Pinicola 200c was the remedy
> that they used successfully for this virus. I gave this remedy in the
> Wet dose (2 drops of the remedy in 500ml Spring water) that I use to
> dispense a remedy to all my patients, and was able to help over 100
> cases who presented this disease as they invariably responded in 3 days.
>
>
> In all cases of patients suffering from CKG at home, I also gave them a
> 500ml bottle of spring water which I had medicated with 2 drops of
> Gelsemium 30 with instructions to take a teaspoonful twice daily. I was
> gratified to note that Gels seemed to provide them the required
> prophylaxis as I did not get a single report of any cross infection of
> the other members of the household.
>
> For the record I would like to state that I am not a qualified
> Homeopath and that I have treated all patients free of charge for the
> last 25 years.
>
> I wonder if Gelsemium 30 taken in a similar manner can provide the same
> prophylaxis against the H1N1 virus. I have no evidence that it can help
> to provide prophylaxis and do not wish to suggest it but there is a
> good chance that it may. In any event I am confident that Gelsemium is
> far preferable to the vaccines that are now being used in the UK and
> throughout the world as it cannot harm a patient like the vaccines are
> reported to have done in many cases
>
> Regards
>
> Joe.
>
>
> --
> Joe De Livera
>
> Joe De Livera
> Colombo
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> View this thread: Oscillococcinum used to treat the Swine Flu H1N1 Virus in the 1918 Pandemic
>
>

exactly
this whole thing is huge huge hype

Sheri

At 07:44 AM 8/1/2009, you wrote:

>Hi Jo
>
>The statistics for swine flu here in the UK are wildly inaccurate
>because people are being diagnosed without having seen a GP, let alone
>confirmation of the presence of the H1N1 virus through blood tests.
>
>'Swine flu alert from the NHS'
>(http://www.nhs.uk/AlertsEmergencies/...cflualert.aspx)
>
>Your post only helps to spread fear and misinformation.
>
>Sim
>
>
>--
>Similibus
>
>These are my personal views and not necessarily my professional
>views.The content is for informational purposes only and should not be
>construed as medical advice. ALWAYS CONSULT YOUR LOCAL PHYSICIAN.
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>
>

Hi Sim

Thank you for the link to the Swine flu alert from the NHS which gives an observer from overseas like me, the true position of the epidemic of the H1N1 virus in the UK. Tamiflu and Relenza and the 2 drugs that are mentioned in this article and I wonder how effective they have proved to be to help the victims of this virus.

You have mentioned that my post " only helps to spead fear and misinformation" and I presume that you referred to the news that I copied about Oscillococcinum being used to treat patients in the pandemic of 1918. I have already apologized for this news which I copied from a US Journal with the link to the article and there seems to have been some slip up in the dates as although Oscillo was reputed to have been discovered in that year, it was not marketed till 1930.

I have used Oscillo 200 to treat fevers and it has proved to be very effective as is Belladonna 200 but I do not have any evidence that it can provide any prophylaxis against catching a flu virus for which I use Gels 30 in the Wet dose with Ferr Phos 6x which seems to boost the production of Red Blood Cells in the body and helps abort a virus after catching it before it gains a foothold in the body.

I would doubt very much if this item of news would have served to increase in any way the anxiety that citizens may have of contacting the virus judging by the reports now current in the media of its spread throughout the UK. We are fortunate here in Sri Lanka as although a few cases (under 200) have been traced, the patients have all been restored to health and discharged from the Infectious Diseases Hospital which is set apart from the Government General Hospital in a town about 10km from the city.

What I wished to convey in my first post was that Homeopathic remedies that can treat the virus are readily available and it was my hope that those who read it would like to use them as a first resort instead of being vaccinated against the virus in a few months in the future when these experimental vaccines are released by the NHS. It is the long term effects that can constitute some danger to those vaccinated which they will not suffer from, if they use Homeopathic remedies.

Joe

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Colombo
Sri Lanka

Shannon

It is unfortunate that we do not have any records of the remedies that were used in the 1918 pandemic which was conclusively proved to be the H1N1 virus from the frozen remains of victims tested a few years ago.

I have used Gelsemium 30 in the Wet dose taken 3 times daily with Ferr Phos 6x also taken tds and this has helped to abort an oncoming virus many times. This formula is particularly effective against a cold virus and if it goes down to the throat I used Bryonia 200 in the Wet dose which stops the virus in a few hours from affecting the lungs.

I would doubt very much that Influenzinum could provide any prophylaxis to the current H1N1 virus as it would not have been included into the current product as it usually takes some months before it is updated.


Joe

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Sri Lanka

Link: New England Journal of Homeopathy - Classical Homeopathy Articles & Reviews

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