I doubt that the specific virus would have to be included in Influenzinum
for it to be helpful -- since what would make it work would be symptom
similarity, and from everything I've heard the H1N1 virus is pretty
recognizeable as a flu-like illness of some kind.

Rosemary

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Subject: Re: [H] Oscillococcinum used to treat the Swine Flu H1N1 Virus in
the 1918 Pandemic


Shannon

It is unfortunate that we do not have any records of the remedies that
were used in the 1918 pandemic which was conclusively proved to be the
H1N1 virus from the frozen remains of victims tested a few years ago.

I have used Gelsemium 30 in the Wet dose taken 3 times daily with Ferr
Phos 6x also taken tds and this has helped to abort an oncoming virus
many times. This formula is particularly effective against a cold virus
and if it goes down to the throat I used Bryonia 200 in the Wet dose
which stops the virus in a few hours from affecting the lungs.

I would doubt very much that Influenzinum could provide any prophylaxis
to the current H1N1 virus as it would not have been included into the
current product as it usually takes some months before it is updated.

I noticed that you have just posted a few minutes ago and the time in
London is 0400hrs GMT. Do you live in some other part of the world?

Joe


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>
>What I wished to convey in my first post was that Homeopathic remedies
>that can treat the virus are readily available and it was my hope that
>those who read it would like to use them as a first resort instead of
>being vaccinated against the virus in a few months in the future when
>these experimental vaccines are released by the NHS. It is the long term
>effects that can constitute some danger to those vaccinated which they
>will not suffer from, if they use Homeopathic remedies.


Commendable, but just a word about wording here
Homeopathy does not treat a virus or a bacteria
Homeopathy treats the whole person for healing.

Thanks
Sheri



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>

that's assuming that viruses 'cause' something.

I'm not convinced. I think they are messengers going in and out of
cells doing a job. But anyway.

I suggest it is not helpful to go on anything 'they' say about this
so-called virus

We treat the symptom picture, pure and simple.

we don't abort a virus.

and just maybe we are suppressing a fever if taking ferr phos in this way

Sheri

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To Similibus

Thank you for the link to the article by Julian Winston on the Influenza Pandemic of 1918.
http://www.nesh.com/main/nejh/samples/winston.html
This has confirmed my own findings that Gelsemium is the remedy of choice to provide prophylaxis against almost all known Flues.

I had given Gelsemium to provide Prophylaxis for the members of every household who had a patient suffering from Chikun Gunya (CKG) about three years ago in Colombo and I recorded this in a previous post on this thread. I had not used Gelsemium up to that time for prophylaxis against a flu and I did observe that there was no incidence whatever of anyone ever contacting this highly infectious disease which is transmitted by a bite from the Aedes Egyptii mosquito.

It is obvious today with this added information, that Gelsemium 30c is the remedy of choice to be used for Prophylaxis against the H1N1 virus and I would suggest that anyone who desires to have the best chance to avoid the Swine Flu takes Gelsemium 30 in the Wet dose which is made up as follows:

You will need a 500ml bottle of Spring water and 5ml Gelsemium 30c in the Liquid Pack in Ethanol preferably in a dropper bottle. You will pour out about 100ml of the water in the bottle to leave space for air. You will then insert 2-3 drops of the remedy into the bottle of water. If you cannot get the remedy in Ethanol, you may get the remedy in the dry pellets but these may not be as effective. You will insert 5-6 pellets into the water. After screwing down the cap tightly you will succuss it by shaking it hard to produce bubbles every time before you sip a teaspoonful every morning on an empty stomach to enable the remedy to be completely absorbed by the body.

I believe that this single dose of Gelsemium 30 taken daily will in all probability provide the prophylaxis necessary to avoid catching the virus.

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Colombo
Sri Lanka

Hi Joe,

On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

>
> Shannon
>
> It is unfortunate that we do not have any records of the remedies that
> were used in the 1918 pandemic which was conclusively proved to be the
> H1N1 virus from the frozen remains of victims tested a few years ago.
>
But we do!

There is an article on hpathy.com by Dr. Bhattaya, where they are
listed.

Btw: Gelsemium is at the top!

Regards

Luise


> I have used Gelsemium 30 in the Wet dose taken 3 times daily with Ferr
> Phos 6x also taken tds and this has helped to abort an oncoming virus
> many times. This formula is particularly effective against a cold virus
> and if it goes down to the throat I used Bryonia 200 in the Wet dose
> which stops the virus in a few hours from affecting the lungs.
>
> I would doubt very much that Influenzinum could provide any prophylaxis
> to the current H1N1 virus as it would not have been included into the
> current product as it usually takes some months before it is updated.
>
> I noticed that you have just posted a few minutes ago and the time in
> London is 0400hrs GMT. Do you live in some other part of the world?
>
> Joe
>
>
>

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Hi Joe,


On Sun, 2 Aug 2009, homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com wrote:

>
>
> I have used Oscillo 200 to treat fevers and it has proved to be very
> effective as is Belladonna 200 but I do not have any evidence that it
> can provide any prophylaxis against catching a flu virus for which I use
> Gels 30 in the Wet dose with Ferr Phos 6x which seems to boost the
> production of Red Blood Cells in the body and helps abort a virus after
> catching it before it gains a foothold in the body.
>
I will take influenzinum for prophylaxis if I (in Germany) feel there
is need for prophylaxis.

As mild as the swine flu seems to be I may just do without
prophylaxis.

Oscillococcinum I have on hand to use at the start. I have heard it is
better for that than for prophylaxis.

The virus may mutate further and a second wave of flu may then come
rolling on, which may be much more severe - that's what happened in
the Spanish Flu epidemic. The vaccinations for the present mild flu
version will very likely offer any protection for the new virus. A
previous infection with the mild version ma provide some protection -
it seems to have done with the Spanish Flu.

If such nasty epidemic should happen - the nastiest in the Spanish Flu
were such where it all happened and ended very suddenly. Such sudden
illnesses, especially when they start with high fever "out of the
blue" very much suggest Aconite. I think that at that time we
should carry aconite with usat all times and right at the bedsite.
There may be no time for getting in touch with a homeopath and no
energy to rep ourselves! In some instances the patients were dead
within 24 hours.

Please note!!! This is only if the virus should mutate into something
really nasty!!

Regards

Luise


> I would doubt very much if this item of news would have served to
> increase in any way the anxiety that citizens may have of contacting the
> virus judging by the reports now current in the media of its spread
> throughout the UK. We are fortunate here in Sri Lanka as although a few
> cases (under 200) have been traced, the patients have all been restored
> to health and discharged from the Infectious Diseases Hospital which is
> set apart from the Government General Hospital in a town about 10km from
> the city.
>
> What I wished to convey in my first post was that Homeopathic remedies
> that can treat the virus are readily available and it was my hope that
> those who read it would like to use them as a first resort instead of
> being vaccinated against the virus in a few months in the future when
> these experimental vaccines are released by the NHS. It is the long term
> effects that can constitute some danger to those vaccinated which they
> will not suffer from, if they use Homeopathic remedies.
>
> Joe
>
>
>

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Hi Luise,

I too read the article on the H1N1 virus by Manish on his Hpathy forum and was naturally delighted that Gelsemium was his first choice too.

I am convinced that Gels is the ultimate remedy of choice to be used as a Prophylactic against all Flues as I have been using it since 1968 when I was first introduced to Homeopathy and often marveled at its incredible ability to dry out the coryza and sneezing which usually occurs when one has caught a cold virus. I used it then and even today to abort an oncoming cold and I also use Ferr Phos 6x to help to do so. Often are the times that I was successful in aborting the virus if I took Gels + Ferr Phos 6x as soon as I felt the sniffles and coryza which usually presage an oncoming cold.

It will be safe to presume that Gels will also help to ward off any virus including the H1N1 virus and it is up to us homeopaths to use it and record its effect on our patients. It is this sharing of information that we are fortunate to be able use today on this and other Homeopathic Forums which will all contribute towards increasing the existing fount of knowledge that we have today.

It is my fervent hope that those who read this post will not consent to be vaccinated (injected) with the H1N1 virus and also not take the Tamiflu and Relenza which are still in the experimental stage and have been promoted by Big Pharma as an excuse to reap a bonanza in revenues which they have never been able to equal in the past. I am truly shocked to note that this vast experimental use of both Tamiflu and Relenza is now being permitted by the UK government on the unsuspecting public without prescription and doctors who have prescribed the Tamiflu to their patients in the UK have informed me that the after effects are sometimes worse for the patient than the disease itself as it usually leads to prostration, vomiting and diarrhoea among other after effects some of which can last for months. I was also shocked to learn that the effect of Tamilflu is only good for a day.

I shudder to think what the reaction on patients will be when the Anti H1N1 Vaccine is introduced in the near future in the UK. It is possible that the after effects of the vaccine can be even worse that the Swine Flu as this experimental vaccine has been produced on an emergency schedule without the usual tests which normally last for many years in the case of other vaccines that have been introduced from time to time. It can also be the cause of hitherto unknown after effects which can have a long lasting impact on those who take the vaccine either voluntarily or under compulsion by the respective medical bodies.

Regards

Joe

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Colombo
Sri Lanka

I am copying an article from yesterday's edition of The Times of India which refers to Homeopaths in India using Gelsemium and Bryonia to treat the H1N1 Swine Flu Virus.

'Homeopathy can prevent, cure swine flu' - Health - Health & Fitness - LIFE & STYLE - The Times of India

'Homeopathy can prevent, cure swine flu'

The Times of India 8 August 2009, 11:32am IST

Homeopathy can both prevent and cure swine flu, sans any side effects, say doctors who practise this alternative medicine system in India where over 700 people have been diagnosed with the disease.

Amid panic over the spread of influenza A (H1N1) virus, homeopaths are now drafting a proposal for the health ministry to offer their services in tackling the crisis.

"Based on the symptoms, homeopathy can offer an effective cure to swine flu. Moreover, it does not have any side effects," says Harcharanjeet Kaur, a homeopath at Baksons homeopathy clinic.

Well-known Delhi-based homeopath Mukesh Batra cited the instance of the Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 in which more than 50 million people were killed worldwide. He said the mortality rate of people given allopathic treatment was 28.2 percent, while those given homeopathic treatment was 1.05 percent at that time.

"Gelsemium and Bryonia were the two homeopathic remedies that proved to be effective against the H1N1 strain back then. These could be of great use even today," Batra said.

Explaining the way homeopathy works, Jaipur-based homeopath Manish Bhatia said this form of medicine works on the basis of symptoms and not the disease.

"In homeopathy, there is a concept called Genus epidemicus. This means if there is an epidemic and you take the symptoms of say 15 ailing people of an area, you will notice a common trend. Based on that you give medication - for the symptoms. This same medication then, if given to people of that area, can act as a preventive medicine," Bhatia said phone.

Besides symptoms like running nose, fever, sneezing and dullness that are the same for common flu and swine flu patients, those suffering from the latter may also have gastric problems like nausea and vomiting, Bhatia said.

"Based on the symptoms, there may be different curative medications for different cases of swine flu. One or two of these medications will be used more frequently than the others and this can then be given to others as preventive medication," Bhatia said.

So why WHO (the World Health Organisation) or the health ministry has not taken homeopathy's help in tackling the H1N1 outbreak?

"WHO relies on statistical data before advising governments on tackling a disease. And there is no study on the effectiveness of homeopathy to prevent or cure swine flu. Therefore it cannot recommend homeopathy," Bhatia said.

"Having said that, a group of homeopathy doctors are drafting a proposal to the government to offer their services to help in dealing with swine flu cases," Bhatia said.

"In Brazil, the homeopathic doctors' community has collected data on the symptoms of swine flu and homeopathic treatments for symptoms and are spreading the word on its effectiveness through internet," he added.

Anwar Amir, secretary general of the homeopathy post graduate association in Maharashtra, said he has written to the union health ministry and the state government's health department offering their services to deal with the swine flu crisis.

More than 616 people have been detected with H1N1 virus so far in India, of which 487 have been discharged. The disease has claimed one life in India.

People however should not panic. The chances of dying of swine flu are just as low as dying of common flu, homeopathic doctors said unanimously.

Giving an example of the effectiveness of homeopathy in an epidemic in India, Batra said when Japanese encephalitis hit Andhra Pradesh 10 years ago, the government distributed one million doses of Belladonna, a homeopathic drug, to children.

"No child was affected by Japanese encephalitis after that. Therefore, homeopathy can provide an effective and inexpensive preventive measure and cure for swine flu too," Batra said.

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Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka

Hello Colleagues,
I need a homoeopath in Brazil,as I have 2 patients going over there in 10
days
This is in case they need help while in brazil
Thanks
Storm
Homoeopath
Queensland
Australia
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From: <homeolist (AT) otherhealth (DOT) com>
To: <homeopathy (AT) homeolist (DOT) com>
Sent: Monday, August 10, 2009 2:40 AM
Subject: Re: [H] Oscillococcinum used to treat the Swine Flu H1N1 Virus
inthe 1918 Pandemic


>
> I am copying an article from yesterday's edition of The Times of India
> which refers to Homeopaths in India using Gelsemium and Bryonia to treat
> the H1N1 Swine Flu Virus.
>
> 'Homeopathy can prevent, cure swine flu' - Health - Health & Fitness -
> LIFE & STYLE - The Times of India
>
> 'Homeopathy can prevent, cure swine flu'
>
> The Times of India 8 August 2009, 11:32am IST
>
> Homeopathy can both prevent and cure swine flu, sans any side effects,
> say doctors who practise this alternative medicine system in India where
> over 700 people have been diagnosed with the disease.
>
> Amid panic over the spread of influenza A (H1N1) virus, homeopaths are
> now drafting a proposal for the health ministry to offer their services
> in tackling the crisis.
>
> "Based on the symptoms, homeopathy can offer an effective cure to swine
> flu. Moreover, it does not have any side effects," says Harcharanjeet
> Kaur, a homeopath at Baksons homeopathy clinic.
>
> Well-known Delhi-based homeopath Mukesh Batra cited the instance of the
> Spanish flu epidemic of 1918 in which more than 50 million people were
> killed worldwide. He said the mortality rate of people given allopathic
> treatment was 28.2 percent, while those given homeopathic treatment was
> 1.05 percent at that time.
>
> "Gelsemium and Bryonia were the two homeopathic remedies that proved to
> be effective against the H1N1 strain back then. These could be of great
> use even today," Batra said.
>
> Explaining the way homeopathy works, Jaipur-based homeopath Manish
> Bhatia said this form of medicine works on the basis of symptoms and not
> the disease.
>
> "In homeopathy, there is a concept called Genus epidemicus. This means
> if there is an epidemic and you take the symptoms of say 15 ailing
> people of an area, you will notice a common trend. Based on that you
> give medication - for the symptoms. This same medication then, if given
> to people of that area, can act as a preventive medicine," Bhatia said
> phone.
>
> Besides symptoms like running nose, fever, sneezing and dullness that
> are the same for common flu and swine flu patients, those suffering from
> the latter may also have gastric problems like nausea and vomiting,
> Bhatia said.
>
> "Based on the symptoms, there may be different curative medications for
> different cases of swine flu. One or two of these medications will be
> used more frequently than the others and this can then be given to
> others as preventive medication," Bhatia said.
>
> So why WHO (the World Health Organisation) or the health ministry has
> not taken homeopathy's help in tackling the H1N1 outbreak?
>
> "WHO relies on statistical data before advising governments on tackling
> a disease. And there is no study on the effectiveness of homeopathy to
> prevent or cure swine flu. Therefore it cannot recommend homeopathy,"
> Bhatia said.
>
> "Having said that, a group of homeopathy doctors are drafting a
> proposal to the government to offer their services to help in dealing
> with swine flu cases," Bhatia said.
>
> "In Brazil, the homeopathic doctors' community has collected data on
> the symptoms of swine flu and homeopathic treatments for symptoms and
> are spreading the word on its effectiveness through internet," he
> added.
>
> Anwar Amir, secretary general of the homeopathy post graduate
> association in Maharashtra, said he has written to the union health
> ministry and the state government's health department offering their
> services to deal with the swine flu crisis.
>
> More than 616 people have been detected with H1N1 virus so far in
> India, of which 487 have been discharged. The disease has claimed one
> life in India.
>
> People however should not panic. The chances of dying of swine flu are
> just as low as dying of common flu, homeopathic doctors said
> unanimously.
>
> Giving an example of the effectiveness of homeopathy in an epidemic in
> India, Batra said when Japanese encephalitis hit Andhra Pradesh 10 years
> ago, the government distributed one million doses of Belladonna, a
> homeopathic drug, to children.
>
> "No child was affected by Japanese encephalitis after that. Therefore,
> homeopathy can provide an effective and inexpensive preventive measure
> and cure for swine flu too," Batra said.
>
>
> --
> Joe De Livera
>
> Joe De Livera
> Colombo
> Sri Lanka
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>
>

I do not have any information on the names of Homeopaths in Brazil which is a very large country but I Googled "Homeopathy in Brazil" and I am copying below an article which is of interest.

If your patients are suffering from the Swine Flu, H1N1 virus I would recommend that they postpone their flight till the are completely cured as it is likely that they may spread the virus to fellow passengers on the flight otherwise.

I would recommend that you give them Gelsemium 30c in the Wet dose if they are still suffering from the Flu with Oscillococcinum 30. Both remedies to be taken twice daily with about an hour between remedies.


Homeopathy in Brazil

Homeopathy in Brazil


In about 1810, Jose Bonifacio de Andrada e Silva, a politician and a student of natural science and mineralogy, knew about homeopathy through an exchange of letters with Hahnemann.

Dr. Antonio Ferreira Franca used homeopathy in Bahia in 1818, but found little support. In 1837, Dr. Duque Estrada learned homeopathy from a student, Frederick Emilius Jahn, who had come from Leipzig to study in Brazil. Although they were both interested in homeopathy as a science, neither took up the practice.

In 1836, the Academia Imperial de Medicina published articles against homeopathy. The formal impetus to establish homeopathy in Brazil came from Benoit Mure, a Frenchman, who came to Brazil on business in 1840. With Vincent Jose Martins (from Lisbon) they founded the Homeopathic Institute of Brazil in 1843. The first Organon in Portuguese was translated by Martins in 1846. The first journal, The Hahnemannista, was published in 1846.



After 1840, homeopathy was widely discussed by the press, and the discussion opened the doors to the works of Jose Martins and other homeopaths. A three-year homeopathic school was founded in Rio in 1845, graduating the first class in 1847, making it the second homeopathic school (after Hering's Allentown Academy [1835-42]) in the world, but the Imperial Government did not allow the graduates clinical practice.

Some years later, after differences between Mure and Dr. Duque Estrada, there was a split resulting in two different institutes: the Instituto Hahnemanniano do Brasil (1859) and the Congregacio Médico-Homeopatica Fluminense. Weakened by the split, they soon ceased operation. In 1847, Benoit Mure returned back to France. In spite of all the problems, homeopathy grew and spread in Brazil.

Many homeopaths, with a little pharmacy in hands, went from city to city, to fight several epidemic or endemic diseases, mainly cholera. During the cholera epidemic in Rio in 1855, 388 cases were treated with homeopathy with a 2% death rate, while the allopathic infirmary had a 40-60% death rate. In 1878, Saturnino de Meirelles and others re-created the old Instituto Homeopatico do Brasil and in 1880, changing the name to Instituto Hahnemanniano do Brazil, (IHB), which still exists.



In 1912, The IHB created the Homeopathic Hospital and the Faculdade Hahnemanniana, that taught homeopathy integrally with medicine. In 1918, the IHB was allowed to graduate homeopathic MDs and pharmacists. In 1924, the name was changed to Escola de Medicina e Cirurgia and in 1932 the National Council for Education ended the homeopathic teaching.

In the 1980s there was a resurgence of homeopathy. The AMHB (Brazilian Homeopathic Medical Association ) and the council of medical specialties of the AMB (Brazilian Medical Association) began to discuss integration of specialties. In Brazil, only MDs, veterinarians and dentists are allowed to prescribe both homeopathic and allopathic drugs. AMHB determined the homeopathy courses have a minimal curriculum and three years duration. It is offered as a postgraduate course for MDs. At the end of the course people have to take a test that AMHB gives each year, and have to pass the test to be registered as a homeopath in the Medicine Federal Council.



Homeopathy is taught in a few universities in different states. In Rio there are now five courses. In the last decade homeopathy has been mostly in the domain of pluralist prescribers. The AMHB has always promoted unicist "classical" homeopathy.

There are about 12,000 homeopaths in Brazil but few of them have the title from AMHB. The country is represented in the LMHI.

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Joe De Livera
Colombo
Sri Lanka